Canada & NATO

[Dougie93]

9 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

And are the US leaders any different?

No.

in theory, America is led by the Constitution

as that is all that Americans actually swear fealty to

none the less, there was the Civil War'

and from that conflict was born the Glorious Union

it's the Evangelical wing of the American Religion

the Abolitionists, to free all the slaves everywhere,  or die trying ( to include by thermonuclear war as necessary )

and that has been the driving force of American foreign policy ever since

thus America is inevitably going to attempt to overthrow tyrannical regimes such as China & Russia

culture is destiny

[Army Guy]

On 9/2/2024 at 12:30 AM, August1991 said:

Stephen Harper had to sign the papers for some 110 soldiers who died in Afghanistan.

159 soldiers, 1 diplomat and 6 Canadian civilians actually, not to mention the 2071 wounded, and the over 500 that took their own lives after the conflict....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Forces_casualties_in_Afghanistan

[Army Guy]

7 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Subservient?

All I've seen tells me that Russia simply wants Ukraine neutrality.

Is that subservient somehow?

Why ukraine, and not the other 6 or 7 nations that share a border with Russia...why have they not been threatened ort invaded...with most of them NATO countries now....

And when did it become right to dictate to another nation what it can do or can't do....

[Nationalist]

24 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

in theory, America is led by the Constitution

as that is all that Americans actually swear fealty to

none the less, there was the Civil War'

and from that conflict was born the Glorious Union

it's the Evangelical wing of the American Religion

the Abolitionists, to free all the slaves everywhere,  or die trying ( to include by thermonuclear war as necessary )

and that has been the driving force of American foreign policy ever since

thus America is inevitably going to attempt to overthrow tyrannical regimes such as China & Russia

culture is destiny

Huh...you'll have to excuse me if I strongly disagree.

7 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Why ukraine, and not the other 6 or 7 nations that share a border with Russia...why have they not been threatened ort invaded...with most of them NATO countries now....

And when did it become right to dictate to another nation what it can do or can't do....

Did Poland attack ethnic Russians inside Poland?

[Dougie93]

8 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Huh...you'll have to excuse me if I strongly disagree.

what's the point of being a Canadian disagreeing with American foreign policy ?

[Nationalist]

31 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

what's the point of being a Canadian disagreeing with American foreign policy ?

Are you saying I can't have my own opinion of America?

Huh...

[Dougie93]

Just now, Nationalist said:

Are you saying I can't have my own opinion of America?

Huh...

no I'm asking what the point of that is

like I didn't ask you what your opinion of America was, so I don't know why you are telling me

 

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

no I'm asking what the point of that is

like I didn't ask you what your opinion of America was, so I don't know why you are telling me

 

You accuse other nations of doing exactly what the US does.

They all do this sort of thing.

Grow up man.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

You accuse other nations of doing exactly what the US does.

They all do this sort of thing.

Grow up man.

again, I don't know what your point is

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

again, I don't know what your point is

My point is...if you're going to paint other nations as "imperialist" or any other scary terms, for engaging in the same bullshit the USA does daily...then you really are either blind...or just not aware of what's been going on for decades.

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

My point is...if you're going to paint other nations as "imperialist" or any other scary terms, for engaging in the same bullshit the USA does daily...then you really are either blind...or just not aware of what's been going on for decades.

I did not deny that America is imperialist

I'm an American imperialist myself

yes, we have been attempting to be the dominant Great Power going back decades

so what ?

[Nationalist]

54 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I did not deny that America is imperialist

I'm an American imperialist myself

yes, we have been attempting to be the dominant Great Power going back decades

so what ?

Lol...so you're thinking only the US can engage in espionage?

[August1991]

2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

159 soldiers, 1 diplomat and 6 Canadian civilians actually, not to mention the 2071 wounded, and the over 500 that took their own lives after the conflict....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Forces_casualties_in_Afghanistan

I stand corrected.

=====

Australia sent troops to Iraq because America once defended Australia - and Bush Jnr played that card. John Howard famously said: "Don't ask: You may just get it."

Our Chretien -under tremendous pressure- wisely kept us out of this Iraqi mess.

[Dougie93]

9 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Lol...so you're thinking only the US can engage in espionage?

where did I say that ?

[Nationalist]

13 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

where did I say that ?

"Thus America is inevitably going to attempt to overthrough tyrannical regimes like China and Russia."

[Dougie93]

14 hours ago, Nationalist said:

"Thus America is inevitably going to attempt to overthrough tyrannical regimes like China and Russia."

how does that say that America is the only state which engages in espionage ?

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

how does that say that America is the only state which engages in espionage ?

Doug...the point I made was and is, that if the USA is known to engage in espionage,  then faux outrage over other nations doing exactly the same thing, is exactly that...faux outrage.

Or at least rather childish outrage.

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Doug...the point I made was and is, that if the USA is known to engage in espionage,  then faux outrage over other nations doing exactly the same thing, is exactly that...faux outrage.

Or at least rather childish outrage.

I am not outraged by other nations engaging in espionage

it's only the Democrats who are engaging in faux outrage

[Nationalist]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I am not outraged by other nations engaging in espionage

it's only the Democrats who are engaging in faux outrage

Well then I must conclude you are not surprised this sort of election messaging goes on.

Ya gits wut ya pays fer. 

[Dougie93]

6 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Well then I must conclude you are not surprised this sort of election messaging goes on.

Ya gits wut ya pays fer. 

it doesn't bother me, I don't subscribe to  the "election interference" fallacy

that is simply a rubric which desperate politicians invoke in an attempt to criminalize political speech

ultimately, I am a Cold Warrior, Ronald Reagan Republican

so I accept the burden of being the leaders of the free world

in that, we cannot suppress political speech

even in the case of the Communists and/or Fascists employing that to their advantage

if the political class wasn't so discredited by a combination of their

Woke Progressive lunacy & Climate Doom hysterical self destruction

then they wouldn't be so panicked by foreign adversaries pointing out their abject failures

certainly Dutch Reagan was never intimidated by the Soviets in this way

God bless you, Gipper

Glorious Union, to free all the slaves everywhere, or die tying

Shining City upon a Hill

[Nationalist]

15 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

it doesn't bother me, I don't subscribe to  the "election interference" fallacy

that is simply a rubric which desperate politicians invoke in an attempt to criminalize political speech

ultimately, I am a Cold Warrior, Ronald Reagan Republican

so I accept the burden of being the leaders of the free world

in that, we cannot suppress political speech

even in the case of the Communists and/or Fascists employing that to their advantage

if the political class wasn't so discredited by a combination of their

Woke Progressive lunacy & Climate Doom hysterical self destruction

then they wouldn't be so panicked by foreign adversaries pointing out their abject failures

certainly Dutch Reagan was never intimidated by the Soviets in this way

God bless you, Gipper

Glorious Union, to free all the slaves everywhere, or die tying

Shining City upon a Hill

Huh...

Would you like a bigger shovel?

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Huh...

Would you like a bigger shovel?

that's a rather cynical reply, from a supposed nationalist

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

that's a rather cynical reply, from a supposed nationalist

It's realistic. If your government is gonna mess with other country's elections, don't be surprised or upset when the other nations do that to your elections.

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

It's realistic.

but isn't nationalism a romantic attachment to the state

even in the face of realism unto the forlorn hope

when one goes over the top when the whistle blows

Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori ?

[Nationalist]

9 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

but isn't nationalism a romantic attachment to the state

even in the face of realism unto the forlorn hope

when one goes over the top when the whistle blows

Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori ?

No. It's rooted in reality. Blind patriotism breeds undue wars.