The progressive diversity cult is killing the Western world

[Michael Hardner]

22 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

1.  And i hardly care what a left wing lunatic like yourself chooses to call me - people like you can't be taken seriously at the best of times .  It woudl be like getting upset if a 3 year old called you a poopy-head.

2. But it is very obviously your effort to dehumanize people so that you can justify not addressing their legitimate points.

3. You literally just called people chuds and do so daily, and your discussion is very frequently unprincipled. 

4. You engage in a lot of dodging of questions...

5. So. Seeing as you fit the definition nicely, it would seem you're a bit of a Chud yourself  

6. Everyone knows that's a lie....

1. I'm a conservative.  And I have never called you a Chud.  Do you think you're one ?  You seem to be upset and yet I have never said that to you.

2.  I already addressed that ?  Why are you repeating yourself ?

3. I have used the term 40 times this year, before this post.  So not daily.  I care about principles so point it out when I don't follow them.

4. Ok then.  I don't think I dodge questions.  Again, point it out and I will answer.  I'm certainly not consciously using such a tactic.

5. What's the definition of Chud ?  I haven't given one.

6. HA HA HA ... everyone ?  No.  I am one and that's for me to say.  I would say that Trumpy types and Chuds are not conservative.  They hate the courts, except when they rule in their favour.  They hate institutions like public health and knowledge.  I use the term "Chud" lovingly, as a tag, but they will call you a pedophile, groomer and such and shriek in disbelieve if you use the loving term for them.  

Again - I didn't call you one.  I don't know why you're so upset with me.

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

By the same token most people understand why Ukraine resists Russia's subjugation.

I have little reason not to believe Israel wouldn't bomb them for the same reason they bomb anything else.

Self defense?

[Moonbox]

14 hours ago, I am Groot said:

I can't help noting this habit of yours of ascribing emotions to posts that contain ideas you don't like. But when challenged on that, you run away. 

and yet...here I am not running away.  ?

Somewhere along the way to your 30th thread complaining about the muslims/blacks/woke/trannies/environmentalists, you painted a good picture of what informs and motivates your..."ideas".  

16 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Some people (not you) actually come on here to discuss things intelligently (not you) and not everything they see should be read as keyboard-pounding fury just because you disagree with it.

Reasonable, cool-headed people looking for intelligent discussion don't start threads with hysterical titles like, "Progressive diversity cult is killing the western world", or suggest that "climate alarmists" want to shut down all industry and make everyone live in caves.  How oblivious can you be?   

[eyeball]

50 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Kinda sounds like you've got some moving goalposts there big guy. One set of rules for ukraine and one set for hamas.

Except Ukraine is a country and Palestine. But I'm sure there's no shortage of arseholes in any case. 

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. I'm a conservative.  And I have never called you a Chud.  Do you think you're one ?  You seem to be upset and yet I have never said that to you.
 

You are not and everyone on this entire board is aware of it. You're not even a blue liberal.  You're pretty firmly on the left in your opinions, debate style, beliefs, and support.

And i was responding to where you specifically said if I don't want to be called a chud don't be a chud (which you couldn't define earlier so... not sure how people are supposed to avoid it ) I dont' really care what you call me.

21 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

2.  I already addressed that ?  Why are you repeating yourself ?

 

To point out your dishonesty on the subject. You very clearly do use it to dehumanize people. When someone says a falsehood, sometimes its necessary to repeat the truth.

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3. I have used the term 40 times this year, before this post.  So not daily.  I care about principles so point it out when I don't follow them.

Close enough.  I'm not going to go back and count but i see you use it very frequently. And always in the context of dehumanizing someone rather than addressing a point.
 

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4. Ok then.  I don't think I dodge questions.  Again, point it out and I will answer.  I'm certainly not consciously using such a tactic.

I feel that you are aware, and it happens often enough that it seems more of a tactic than a mistake. I'll point it out more often.

 

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5. What's the definition of Chud ?  I haven't given one.

Do you honestly think that makes you look better? If the term has no definition you're aware of (which must be the case if you're asking me for one) then clearly you're only using it as a pejorative to dehumanize people you don't like.  Not to 'tag' people for any specific reason, not to accurately identify a group or the like, but just to dehumanize. 

You really just proved my point.

And before you bother to scramble and say 'wait wait wait... er... there is one (i  just made up)" it's kind of too late for that.  If you have to ask what the definition is then you didn't know when you were calling people chuds.

 

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6. HA HA HA ... everyone ? 

Yes, everyone.

You're not a conservative, everyone knows you're not a conservative at least not by any commonly used version of the term that's relevant today. As noted virtually every element of your body of replies speaks to a strong left ideology and position and support.

 

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Again - I didn't call you one.  I don't know why you're so upset with me.

Don't take it personal - i'd be just as upset with someone running around calling black people ni**ers or calling chinese ch*nks or the like. It's inappropriate to dehumanize people in that fashion with strongly pejorative group slurs.

I gave americana antifa a hard time for calling everyone nazis and making anti jew remarks constantly. 

I mean - i get it, people will call an individual a 'leftie' or a 'capitalist' or the like or say that "the democrats" are 1diots or the 'maga' supporters think trump is this or that or the like, but  when you repetitively come up with an 'undefined' pejorative term and apply it specifically to dehumanize rather than identify a block of policy or a specific political slate or agenda or something then it's over the line,

[eyeball]

42 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Self defense?

Doing a little collateral damage to Hamas.

[Michael Hardner]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

1. You are not and everyone on this entire board is aware of it.
2. I don't want to be called a chud don't be a chud 
3. You very clearly do use it to dehumanize people.  
4. Close enough. .
5 I'll point it out more often.
6. Do you honestly think that makes you look better?
7. You're not a conservative,
8. ...everyone knows you're not a conservative at least not by any commonly used version of the term that's relevant today.
9. As noted virtually every element of your body of replies speaks to a strong left ideology and position and support.

10. ..strongly pejorative group slurs.

11. to dehumanize rather than identify a block of policy or a specific political slate or agenda or something then it's over the line,

1. 7. 8. 9.  Am too.  Why do you think I'm not ?  Because I support Trans rights ?  
2. Yes.  "Don't be stupid" is something one would say to someone who is not naturally stupid, so...
3. Keep repeating it and I will keep denying it.
4. Admission of wrong is a good first step.
5. Please do
6. Who cares how I 'look' ?  Surely not you.  Me neither.
10. It's a meaningless tag... don't take offense
11. It IS identifying.  It identifies a new political persona that has arrived on the scene - you have defined it personally.  "Chuds" are adherents to the new political populism of our time.  What could be pejorative in that ?  Sure sounds better than 'groomer'.  If you can get all the right-of-centre people on the board to agree not to call people groomers/pedophiles I will stop using my harmless term.

[taxme]

On 11/27/2023 at 10:07 AM, I am Groot said:

Gad Saad kind of echoes the speech Konstantin Kisin made at Arc. It's very much worth watching.

Both take the position that the way the West, particularly the anglosphere is feeding on itself in an orgy of self-loathing is weakening us all against the growing number of ruthless foreign warlords who are taking advantage of it and doing their best to undermine the central, uniting cultural and historical norms, values, and ethos of Western society. It is not beyond the pale to suggest that in fifty years China will be essentially ruling most of the world through proxies if not directly, as the West rots from within.

 

On Oct. 21, I posted a message on my X feed that went viral. It has garnered nearly 11 million views over the past month. I reproduce it here:

“You are not going to like this tweet so turn away if you are likely to be triggered: I am a very optimistic person; I am a fighter for Western values and liberties; I am a dogged defender of science, reason, and common sense. I must say though that I am unsure that the West can recover from its multifront civilizational suicide. Yes, I’ve talked about these issues for decades and wrote a book about it (The Parasitic Mind: How Infectious Ideas Are Killing Common Sense) but the past few weeks have crystallized the extent to which the problem has become intractable. It will be a long and ultimately bloody demise and the West will be the first society in recorded history to fully self-implode due to its parasitic ideological rapture. It is a gargantuan Greek tragedy that will shape the future of humanity. This is not hyperbole. Your grandchildren will pay a very high price for your ‘progressive’ arrogance rooted in the pursuit of Unicornia that only exists in the recesses of deeply flawed parasitized minds.”

Gad Saad: The progressive diversity cult is killing the West | National Post

 

The west has allowed diversity and multiculturalism to be the name of the game. A western country cannot expect to survive if that country continues to bring in millions of people from the third world that are then allowed to bring in with them their many language, many cultures, many religions and many traditions, and hopes that all goes well, and not force them to assimilate. It is a recipe for western racial genocide.

Countries like Germany and Sweden have finally figured this out. They have been the brunt of many demonstrations and even destruction of their own cities by many of those third world immigrants. Many women in those countries have been raped and even murdered by some of those third world immigrant newcomers. 

The conservative party's that have won their elections in the Netherlands, Argentina and Italy, with more to come, were voted in by their people because they have had enough of those crazy destructive globalist programs and agendas of diversity and multiculturalism and massive third world immigration into their countries. 

I can only hope that one day here in Canada, Canadians will finally wake up and realize that diversity and multiculturalism is not our strength but our destruction, and an end of our western way of life and values. Canada needs a moratorium on third world immigration before Canada ends up becoming another third world hell hole. Just my opinion of course. ?

 

[CdnFox]

22 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. 7. 8. 9.  Am too.  Why do you think I'm not ?  Because I support Trans rights ?  

I've gone over why not many times with you.  And right there is another example of your dishonest methods of debate. Sealioning, asking someone to prove over and over the same things already proven. I've never seen you once even dispute the numerous examples i've given.  At best you try the 'oh was i? i didn't realize i did that" excuse.

 

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2. Yes.  "Don't be stupid" is something one would say to someone who is not naturally stupid, so...

And here we have that misdirection i spoke of. You misquote me deliberately, and then reframe it as an argument. Those words you quoted were actually you and had nothing to do with my position. I was responding to something else and quoted you to show my reasoning, and you've taken that out of context.

Dishonest in the extreme.  You have to literally misquote someone to try to make your point. Pathetic.

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3. Keep repeating it and I will keep denying it.

You've already proven its true.  Numerous times.  What you mean is you intend to lie to yourself, The truth is plain to anyone else.

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4. Admission of wrong is a good first step.

I'm sure you think that's what happened   you use of chud is constant.  Anyone can look at your posts and see it. You've used it already today.

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5. Please do

I doubt you'll like it  i suspect you'll pretend to block me again and pretend you didn't see it because you can't cope with it

 

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6. Who cares how I 'look' ?  Surely not you.  Me neither.

You VERY obviously do  It's clearly important to you.

 

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10. It's a meaningless tag... don't take offense

Boy you're all over the map on this.  It's "Meaningless".  It's "the only way i can tag people i really need to - i TRIED to think of another way and i couldn't!" "I'm not using it to dehumanize, i just use it as a meaningless dehumanization!!"

Kid - you use it to dehumanize people so you can justify ignoring them.  Simple truth.

 

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11. It IS identifying.  It identifies a new political persona that has arrived on the scene - you have defined it personally.  "Chuds" are adherents to the new political populism of our time.  What could be pejorative in that ?  Sure sounds better than 'groomer'.  If you can get all the right-of-centre people on the board to agree not to call people groomers/pedophiles I will stop using my harmless term.

But it didn't have a meaning. And it is just a meaningless tag. Now it has all this meaning.  And as i predicted - when you realized that if it has no meaning it's just pejorative you suddenly come up wiht a "meaning".

All it means is you're the kind of person who dehumanizes people he disagrees with and then uses that as pretext why he can't address their points.

As i have shown.

Sorry. You're well on the left, and you're the kind of leftie that dehumanizes people rather than makes reasonable arguments back.  If that's not who you want to be, then you need to make changes.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

1. I've gone over why not many times with you. And right there is another example of your dishonest methods of debate. Sealioning, asking someone to prove over and over the same things already proven. I've never seen you once even dispute the numerous examples i've given.  

1. Ok then why is it so hard to provide an example right off the top of your head ?  Surely the temptation to make me look stupid is great, is it not ?

[I am Groot]

On 11/30/2023 at 2:01 PM, eyeball said:

Doing a little collateral damage to Hamas.

You are updated on secret military reports, are you?

[I am Groot]

On 11/30/2023 at 1:25 PM, Moonbox said:

and yet...here I am not running away.  ?

You ran away in the last post without answering my question. Which was what about anything I wrote in the post you were allegedly not responding to was at all emotional.

On 11/30/2023 at 1:25 PM, Moonbox said:

Reasonable, cool-headed people looking for intelligent discussion don't start threads with hysterical titles like, "Progressive diversity cult is killing the western world", or suggest that "climate alarmists" want to shut down all industry and make everyone live in caves.  How oblivious can you be?   

I mean, just to start with the title of the thread is the title of the cited opinion piece from Gad Saad which you clearly did not bother to read. Too many words, I guess. Is your problem with the idea there might actually BE climate alarmists? Or is it that a little hyperbole frightened you? Describing yourself as 'reasonable and cool-headed' rather strongly conflicts with most of your behaviour on this site. Just your outrage at the title Saad chose shows your lack of cool-headedness. 

Edited December 2, 2023 by I am Groot

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

You are updated on secret military reports, are you?

Yes, the voices in his head give him regular briefings.

[Zeitgeist]

Thank God we still have some truly smart and courageous social commentators. Black sums up our predicament brilliantly:

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/conrad-black-physicians-college-embraces-social-justice-lunacy/wcm/b7c28cea-7302-4541-81c2-35f482ed80d5/amp/

[Moonbox]

6 hours ago, I am Groot said:

You ran away in the last post without answering my question. Which was what about anything I wrote in the post you were allegedly not responding to was at all emotional.

If you have a reasonable question then don't bury it in a multi-paragraph wall of hyperbole.  I already told you I stopped reading when you were telling us about how the climate alarmists want us all to go live in caves.  ?

6 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Is your problem with the idea there might actually BE climate alarmists?

There are plenty of climate alarmists out there.  There are also a lot of denialists, flat-earthers, conspiracy kooks etc.  

6 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Or is it that a little hyperbole frightened you? Describing yourself as 'reasonable and cool-headed' rather strongly conflicts with most of your behaviour on this site. Just your outrage at the title Saad chose shows your lack of cool-headedness. 

Gad Saad is smart enough to understand how effective hyperbole can be in riling up susceptible minds.  He didn't write that piece to convince anyone of anything.  It was nothing but a hot-take to reassure people like you of how you already feel.  ?

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Moonbox said:

If you have a reasonable question then don't bury it in a multi-paragraph wall of hyperbole.

Oh noes!!! Did someone type too much and melt your brain again? LOL - quick, find out how often he posts

Still haven't learned how to debate honestly i see.  Quick - if i have 100 percent of something and i take away 50 percent - what percent do i have left?

[blackbird]

On 11/28/2023 at 10:46 AM, Queenmandy85 said:

During the Restoration, the rules of morality were pretty weak, yet that was the period that gave us the great advances in science, particularly in mathematics and physics.

I'm sure you mean Reformation.  Yes, I agree there were great advances in science, mathematics, physics, biology, etc.  Sadly there was also the Hundred Years War after or as a result of the Reformation during the 1600s.  The reason was of course the followers of Rome were still attempting to keep control of those areas and countries that broke away from Rome and became Lutheran, Reformed, and others.  Rome was not willing to accept the new order peacefully.  Germany lost a large part of their population in the wars.  Then other wars occurred through the last 500 years right up to the present.  Parliamentary democracy was born through this period.  We now know the population paid a heavy price for the transition from the totalitarian rule from Rome to independent democratic states. The number of people killed in wars in Europe alone is staggering.   But this is a result of the Fall of man as I said.

[Queenmandy85]

11 hours ago, blackbird said:

I'm sure you mean Reformation.

Actually, I meant the Restoration. 

Edited December 3, 2023 by Queenmandy85

[blackbird]

32 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Actually, I meant the Restoration. 

The reason I thought you meant Reformation is that the Reformation occurred about 500 years ago and was a major change in society in Europe that is well known by many people.  It was considered started by Martin Luther  in 1517 when he nailed his 95 theses onto the church door at Wittenberg as you probably know, although there were other church leaders involved in different countries in Europe.  I am not familiar with the term Restoration.  I suppose the term Restoration refers to the non-religious changes that took place in those centuries that you referred to.  Fair enough.  I was thinking of the religious or theological changes but agree with you there were major changes in many fields.

It did sound like you are saying that the poor morality contributed to the changes in science, mathematics, etc.  Poor morality has always existed through all ages and may be worse today as we appear to be living in the last days or end times.  One of the signs of living in the end times is worsening morality.

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What has convinced these theologians and pastors that the end times could be ramping up? That’s a question I covered in-depth in my book, “The Armageddon Code,” through interviews with about 20 of the most prevalent eschatology experts.

Many of these theologians and pastors told me that sweeping moral decay, biblical disconnectedness, and ongoing violence in the Middle East are just a few of the prophetic markers they believe were foretold thousands of years ago in both the Old and New Testaments. 

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5 Reasons Many Christians Believe End Times Are Upon Us — and Israel Plays Major Role – Faithwire

Edited December 3, 2023 by blackbird

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Actually, I meant the Restoration. 

I am not sure if you understand the significance of the Reformation and how it brought much of the west out of tyranny.  The importance of the Reformation cannot be overstated.  Here is a brief quote on what things were like in the west before the Reformation that should give you an idea of how it was.  Most people have no idea how things were for over a thousand years prior to the Reformation.

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For more than a thousand years before the Reformation the popes had controlled Europe and had said that there was only one way to worship God. That period is appropriately known as the “Dark Ages.” In the church and, to a considerable extent, in the state, too, the priests held the power. They suppressed the laity until practically all their rights were taken away. They constantly pried into private affairs, interfering even between husband and wife and between parents and children by means of the confessional. All marriage was in their hands. They interfered in the administration of public affairs, in the proceedings of the courts, and in the disposition of estates. The revenues of the state built new churches and paid the salaries of the priests in much the same manner as in present day Spain. Anyone who dared resist ran the risk of losing his job, his property, and even his life. Life under such tyranny was intolerable. From that condition the Reformation brought deliverance.   unquote

from the book Roman Catholicism by Loraine Boettner  (copyright 1962)

You may read the whole book for free on the internet at the following website (archive.org) if so inclined:

Roman Catholicism : Loraine Boettner : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

 

Edited December 3, 2023 by blackbird

[blackbird]

On 11/30/2023 at 11:08 AM, Michael Hardner said:

1. 7. 8. 9.  Am too.  Why do you think I'm not ?  Because I support Trans rights ?  

Are you a non-practicing Catholic by any chance?  It appears apparent the Catholic church is divided.  You have many Catholics such as much of the Liberal government including Trudeau who are Catholic yet support LGBT, same-sex marriage, etc. progressive ideology.  Then you have other Catholics like the poster you are talking to who support more traditional Catholic teachings.  There is a major divide within the Catholic church itself.  I would guess many of the progressive Catholics are non-practicing and rarely go to the Catholic church.  Many politicians I believe are like that.  The only time they go is for weddings and funerals.  Some may go infrequently and are somewhere in between.

 

[blackbird]

"Our American freedoms are being threatened today by two totalitarian systems, Communism and Roman Catholicism. And of the two in our country Romanism is growing faster than is Communism and is the more dangerous since it covers its real nature with a cloak of religion. "  From the book Roman Catholicism by Loraine Boettner (copyright 1962).  May read online at: Roman Catholicism : Loraine Boettner : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive   

[Queenmandy85]

7 hours ago, blackbird said:

The reason I thought you meant Reformation is that the Reformation occurred about 500 years ago and was a major change in society in Europe that is well known by many people.  It was considered started by Martin Luther  in 1517 when he nailed his 95 theses onto the church door at Wittenberg as you probably know, although there were other church leaders involved in different countries in Europe.  I am not familiar with the term Restoration.  I suppose the term Restoration refers to the non-religious changes that took place in those centuries that you referred to.  Fair enough.  I was thinking of the religious or theological changes but agree with you there were major changes in many fields.

It did sound like you are saying that the poor morality contributed to the changes in science, mathematics, etc.  Poor morality has always existed through all ages and may be worse today as we appear to be living in the last days or end times.  One of the signs of living in the end times is worsening morality.

The Restoration period refers to the restoration of King Charles II after the brief period of the Cromwells. With the end of the Cromwells and the restoration of King Charles, there was a popular trend towards a more relaxed morality after the repression of the Puritains. It happened to coincide with the surge in science and mathematics. It was not a contributing factor. It was the result of many elements coming together. 

You make good points on the impact of the Reformation. 

 

Edited December 3, 2023 by Queenmandy85

[Moonbox]

16 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Oh noes!!! Did someone type too much and melt your brain again? LOL - quick, find out how often he posts

Not even 5% as much as you, no-life.  Why are you following me, by the way? ?

[CdnFox]

On 12/3/2023 at 9:09 AM, Moonbox said:

Not even 5% as much as you, no-life.  Why are you following me, by the way? ?

ROFLMAO -  you really only come here any more to follow me around and make useless posts,  (a quick check shows that the vast majority of your posts are like that these days),  so OBVIOUSLY you're obsessed and lonely.  I felt sorry for you so i figured i'd help you out a bit   

Together we can fight your mental obsession illnesses!  I'm here for you in your time of need big guy

Boy - you sure love to derail threads don't you.