Majority — including two-in-five past Liberal voters — say Trudeau should step down: Angus Ried

CdnFox · October 22, 2023

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

You haven't contradicted my claim at all.

Of course he can ban a lobbying group. But looks like he was all for it before it became a conspiracy theory.

Yeah he did. TO be honest you really had no "claim" in the first place, you simply tried to pretend something existed when it didn't. Nobody has ever suggested that anyone ever associated with WEF at some point in history is evil, just as OftenWrong said the policy today is that they won't have anything to do with it.

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

Am not here to contradict your claims. Am saying your claims, are irrelevant.

Precisely.

Michael Hardner · October 22, 2023

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

Am not here to contradict your claims. Am saying your claims, are irrelevant.

No, that's the first time you've made that assertion.. the previous posts, they were argumentative.

You claim that the fact that this guy previously quoted the WEF and was listed as a contact, but now demonizes them and wants to ban them... Is irrelevant.

Ok then. Thanks ?

WestCanMan · October 22, 2023

On 10/19/2023 at 1:47 PM, CdnFox said:

the Liberals trail the opposition Conservative Party by 11 points in vote intention. Currently, 39 per cent would vote for the CPC candidate in their riding, while 28 per cent say the same of the Liberals. One-in-five (21%) would vote for Jagmeet Singh’s New Democratic Party.

Libs:

Who do they have to nominate for the leadership that hasn't goose-stepped for La Fuhrer?

If they nominated JWRaybould to lead them they'd gain instant credibility in the eyes of most Canadians, but I think she's a goner now, politically. At least as far as the Libs are concerned. They already sacrificed her at the altar: voting for her now would be like admitting that they all made a mistake and if there's one thing we know about leftards, it's that they never admit to lying or being wrong.

NDP:

21% is a LOT for those guys. It's actually quite embarrassing for our country. I'd have more respect for an adult that said "I still believe in Santa" than "I'm an NDP voter".

Here's a thought: JWR leading the NDP....

She's enough of nutball to run with that crowd, it would give libs a chance to save face and rush to her support, she's the poster girl for "stabbed in the back by a powerful white dude", she has more credibility than the whole NDP party combined, and ohhhh boy would that send shock waves through the LPOC....

I'm actually scared to see her leading that party. She could really do some damage to the country if she ran for election there.

CdnFox · October 22, 2023

20 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Libs:

Who do they have to nominate for the leadership that hasn't goose-stepped for La Fuhrer?

If they nominated JWRaybould to lead them they'd gain instant credibility in the eyes of most Canadians, but I think she's a goner now, politically. At least as far as the Libs are concerned. They already sacrificed her at the altar: voting for her now would be like admitting that they all made a mistake and if there's one thing we know about leftards, it's that they never admit to lying or being wrong.

NDP:

21% is a LOT for those guys. It's actually quite embarrassing for our country. I'd have more respect for an adult that said "I still believe in Santa" than "I'm an NDP voter".

Here's a thought: JWR leading the NDP....

She's enough of nutball to run with that crowd, it would give libs a chance to save face and rush to her support, she's the poster girl for "stabbed in the back by a powerful white dude", she has more credibility than the whole NDP party combined, and ohhhh boy would that send shock waves through the LPOC....

I'm actually scared to see her leading that party. She could really do some damage to the country if she ran for election there.

If the libs replace trudeau, they'll want someone disposable. That person would likely lose the electino - barring a miracle (which DO happen in canadian politics admittedly) the libs will lose. THey're looking at how to mitigate the loss. The idea would be to hold pp to a minority and then make sure nothing gets better with him in power by being obstructionist and then try to take back the gov't next time with a 'real' candidate.

JWR would have a lot of pro's and con's, but for sure it would be a hell of an interesting election campaign. The problem for her is the liberal party itself would never accept her.

WestCanMan · October 22, 2023

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The problem for her is the liberal party itself would never accept her.

And that's the problem with the Liberals. They have the character and grace of colon cancer.

CdnFox · October 22, 2023

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

And that's the problem with the Liberals. They have the character and grace of colon cancer.

Also they historically want strong, independent powerfully successful women of colour who know their place and do what they're told. Apparently that's a bit of a problem

Zeitgeist · October 22, 2023

11 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I'm proud to be called out in this directionless rant.

On a web board, if you want to discuss politics you have to try to be objective. Your picture of the spiritually battered Canadian, as a result of the federal government, could never be proven so why even state that?

Of course Trudeau is unpopular, and for sure the economy is behind that. No serious commenter would ascribe the situation to passport design, and DEI.

When the Conservatives win the next election, I suspect that you will immediately be satisfied by the superficial changes that the new government makes to the point where you believe national unity has been solved.

The truth is that huge economic problems are going to be approaching us, and the new government is going to be challenged. I will support them as I do any Canadian government, and I will be on here with honest analysis and criticism of the real issues.

You don’t admit what the problems are no matter how much they’re explained.

OftenWrong · October 23, 2023

10 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

You claim that the fact that this guy previously quoted the WEF and was listed as a contact, but now demonizes them and wants to ban them... Is irrelevant.

Ok then. Thanks ?

Sad to report you're only half-right, once again. The fact he now rejects the wef and says he won't allow his team to be involved with them, is not irrelevant. In fact it's highly relevant, as it means there would be a sea change in government direction and messaging. Hopefully that means no more post-national state. No more useless initiatives to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, that cost too much and accomplish too little. No bird-brained schemes that cost the country more than their worth, or end up creating problems like wrecklessly increasing immigration without a chance for people to get homes or jobs.

That's why I say, away with this heartless and vile charlatan. This rich man's son who never held a job in his life. Who spent his life as a prettyboy until someone from the LPC called him up and said, we're making you Prime Minister.

OftenWrong · October 23, 2023

16 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

The federal government stands for nothing now except racist Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion tyranny and ineffectual climate policy that’s raising the cost of living and running our economy into the ground. The nihilist post-national state once known as Canada feels like a hopeless place. The Canada brand has been damaged beyond recognition with mischaracterizations of genocide. Our government won’t even call out terrorism, let alone do anything about it. The population has become so spiritually battered and indoctrinated that any alternative to the current leadership is labeled radical. People like Hardner are perfect examples of the now commonplace Chicken Little Canadian.

You forgot to mention the rising anti-semitism among the left.

WARMINGTON: Jewish businesses in city targeted like in Berlin during 1930s

https://torontosun.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-anti-semitism-on-the-canadian-left

That didn't take long...

OftenWrong · October 23, 2023

Our PM accusing Israel of crimes it never committed.

Harboring Nazis, even giving them standing ovations in our HOC.

This is what the world sees in Canada now.

Zeitgeist · October 23, 2023

12 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Our PM accusing Israel of crimes it never committed.

Harboring Nazis, even giving them standing ovations in our HOC.

This is what the world sees in Canada now.

This is what happens when naive people let radicals into the control room — and the country for that matter. We may not be able to put the genie back in the bottle either.

Legato · October 23, 2023

5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

This is what happens when naive people let radicals into the control room — and the country for that matter. We may not be able to put the genie back in the bottle either.

The control room has a large red switch with the instructions EMERGENCY OFF.

The Libs Painted over the instructions with WOKE, and jammed it permanently on.

CdnFox · October 23, 2023

Another series of articles today. This one perhaps the most direct:

https://www.hilltimes.com/story/2023/10/23/with-plunging-polling-numbers-chatter-of-potential-liberal-leadership-election-to-succeed-trudeau-starts-again/400565/

With plunging polling numbers, chatter of potential Liberal leadership election to succeed Trudeau starts again

The story acknowledges that they can't force him out - but there's articles in all the major papers at least 2 or 3 times a week suggesting he should step down. either in conjunction with a poll or stand alone like this - there is constant pressure for him to give it up.

His loyal people control the party - so everyone's keeping their mouth shut inside. But - obviously many are panicking. I think if there was a clear 'alternate' leader for them they'd have a revolt but you can bet the divisions and pressure within the party are building up at this point.

TreeBeard · October 23, 2023

On 10/20/2023 at 5:19 AM, Moonbox said:

Trudeau has been a disaster coming out of the lockdowns, but however smart Freeland may or may not be, she's a too-iconic part of the current government to be perceived as anything more than maintaining the status-quo. Running with her at the helm would be akin to Hilary Clinton in 2016.

Canadians want something different.

I think people will take every opportunity not to vote for Poilievre. A fresh face for the Liberals would give voters a reason to not vote PP.

CdnFox · October 23, 2023

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

I think people will take every opportunity not to vote for Poilievre. A fresh face for the Liberals would give voters a reason to not vote PP.

The polling says different. His approval numbers are very high and growing. People dont' just hate Justin, they LIKE PP and that's growing every month.

CdnFox · October 23, 2023

And more anti-trudeau stories from a usually pro-liberal paper.

https://archive.ph/2023.10.23-130008/https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-justin-trudeaus-centralist-interventionist-policies-have-left-alberta/

National unity is fraying under Trudeau’s watch

The danger the left is going to have to face is that they're trying to pressure him to leave by pointing out how bad he is and how poorly people feel about him - but if he stays all of that is going to make PP's victory even larger next election.

Moonbox · October 23, 2023

5 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

I think people will take every opportunity not to vote for Poilievre. A fresh face for the Liberals would give voters a reason to not vote PP.

I don't think you're right. I don't like what I've seen from PP yet, but I suspect he was mostly making the noises the dumb apes wanted to hear so he could get the base behind him before going more mainstream like Harper. I would be zero percent surprised if we end up with Harper 2.0 when he wins the election, and without a major gaffe there's basically no chance the Liberals win again IMO.

CdnFox · October 23, 2023

14 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

I don't think you're right. I don't like what I've seen from PP yet, but I suspect he was mostly making the noises the dumb apes wanted to hear so he could get the base behind him before going more mainstream like Harper. I would be zero percent surprised if we end up with Harper 2.0 when he wins the election, and without a major gaffe there's basically no chance the Liberals win again IMO.

Is that why you're so cranky these days?

I think the libs would be ecstatic if it turned out to be harper 2.0 and he got a minority - but the way things are looking he stands every chance of a strong majority. That will put the libs out of power for about 10 years. That's what's got them panicky

Moonbox · October 24, 2023

15 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Is that why you're so cranky these days?

I think the libs would be ecstatic if it turned out to be harper 2.0 and he got a minority - but the way things are looking he stands every chance of a strong majority. That will put the libs out of power for about 10 years. That's what's got them panicky

Why are you following me?

CdnFox · October 24, 2023

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

Why are you following me?

90 percent of your time here on this forum is spent chasing me down and attacking me out of the blue while adding nothing to the conversation. Obviously you get lonely and dejected - i thought if i paid some attention to you maybe you wouldn't get so down on yourself

At least when i comment on something you said it actually is relevant to the topic at hand If i was really following you like you follow me i'd just write " U TYPE TOO MUCH AND ME NO LIKE U".

The truth is my replying to something you post isn't following you - you just think i'm following you because that's what it means to you when you reply to one of mine

(was that too much typing? I know how that upsets you)

Gaétan · October 24, 2023

Neither Trudeau nor Poilievre deserves to be prime minister

Moonbox · October 24, 2023

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

90 percent of your time here on this forum is spent chasing me down and attacking me out of the blue while adding nothing to the conversation.

90% of my time here is less than 1% of yours.

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Obviously you get lonely and dejected - i thought if i paid some attention to you maybe you wouldn't get so down on yourself

Do you know how stupid you look saying this when you've blown past my 15 year post tally in 8 months? Of course you don't. ???

CdnFox · October 24, 2023

33 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

90% of my time here is less than 1% of yours.

Which shows how badly you must want to follow me if that's all you come for

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Do you know how stupid you look saying this when you've blown past my 15 year post tally in 8 months? Of course you don't. ???

You could double your post count overnight if you'd learn to type with FOUR fingers ROFLMAO!

I come here to talk and share ideas with a wide range of people - you come here mostly to chase after me and complain when i post You don't have much room in the "Looking stupid" department to be criticizing others

Nefarious Banana · October 24, 2023

3 hours ago, Gaétan said:

Neither Trudeau nor Poilievre deserves to be prime minister

The world knows and laughs at Trudeau's leadership. That's a given, and also a reflection of the laziness and stupidity of (some) the Canadian voter.

Poilievre is untried. An unknown as yet.

Yet you condemn Poilievere.

What is your solution? Care to share?

Gaétan · October 24, 2023

2 hours ago, Nefarious Banana said:

The world knows and laughs at Trudeau's leadership. That's a given, and also a reflection of the laziness and stupidity of (some) the Canadian voter.

Poilievre is untried. An unknown as yet.

Yet you condemn Poilievere.

What is your solution? Care to share?

Canada's credibility in the world has deteriorated since Pearson and Pierre Elliott Trudeau because of the unfair positions of the prime ministers who succeeded them, we have become pariahs in the world and the positions of Poilievre in the middle east conflict makes this situation worse. No leader in the world listen what says an hypocrite like Justin Trudeau. People know who is in the wrong despite what hypocrites may say.