OftenWrong Posted October 23, 2023 Report Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, CdnFox said: Got something you want to say kiddo? Actually I was shining the poor fellow on. Look what you did to him... But not to worry, if I do have anything to say you'll know! Doesn't mean you're not sick though... Edited October 23, 2023 by OftenWrong 1 Quote
eyeball Posted October 23, 2023 Report Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: The Hamas gov't was elected and supported by the people, they are equally complicit. Bullshit. You're advocating for collective punishment against millions of innocent people including every child under the age of 15, some 40% of the population. That's on top of the fact only 42 - 58% of the adult population voted for them. Edited October 23, 2023 by eyeball 2 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted October 23, 2023 Report Posted October 23, 2023 35 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Actually I was shining the poor fellow on. Look what you did to him... yeah... you'd think i'd feel a little bad but honestly..... Quote But not to worry, if I do have anything to say you'll know! Thats kind of what i was thinking You're not usually shy that way so i figured maybe i missed something. Quote Doesn't mean you're not sick though... Oh i wasn't disagreeing...... 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
OftenWrong Posted October 23, 2023 Report Posted October 23, 2023 1 minute ago, CdnFox said: yeah... you'd think i'd feel a little bad but honestly..... Thats kind of what i was thinking You're not usually shy that way so i figured maybe i missed something. Oh i wasn't disagreeing...... My incredible sense of humour went right past both of you. Whoosh Quote
CdnFox Posted October 23, 2023 Report Posted October 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: My incredible sense of humour went right past both of you. Whoosh Thus proving again that there's a thin line between 'sense of humor' and 'concussion' 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
OftenWrong Posted October 23, 2023 Report Posted October 23, 2023 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: The Hamas gov't was elected and supported by the people, they are equally complicit. The citizens in gaza ARE responsible for the actions their gov't takes In fact there is no "Hamas" as a thing apart from the Palestinian people. Just as with the Taliban, the difference between them and non-Taliban people is but fleeting. In the end, the Afghanistan people voted the Taliban back into power, and no more school for their little girls. Quote
OftenWrong Posted October 23, 2023 Report Posted October 23, 2023 40 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Thus proving again that there's a thin line between 'sense of humor' and 'concussion' See I would have thought you were intelligent enough to have caught that one. Oh well. The disappointed man speaks... Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted October 23, 2023 Report Posted October 23, 2023 4 hours ago, eyeball said: I think they're using numbers provided by Palestinans and aid groups, not terrorists IOW. This is not correct. The Palestinian Ministry of Health is run by Hamas, who are the elected government party of Gaza, who are also a terrorist group, including as designated by our government: "In Gaza, 3,000 people have been killed and another 12,500 were injured, according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health." https://abcnews.go.com/International/live-updates/israel-gaza-hamas/?id=103804516 "Health authorities in Gaza said prior to Tuesday's incident at least 3,000 people had been killed in Israel's 11 days of bombing since Hamas militants rampaged into Israeli towns on Oct. 7, killing more than 1,300 soldiers and civilians." https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/least-500-victims-israeli-air-strike-hospital-gaza-health-ministry-2023-10-17/ "In Gaza, the Health Ministry said Monday that Israeli airstrikes have killed at least 2,750 people and wounded at least 9,700." https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/israel-hamas-war-gaza-strip/ "Authorities in Gaza say at least 2,808 people have been killed so far by the Israeli strikes — a quarter of them children — and about 10,850 have been wounded." https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/west-bank-jordan-canadians-1.6997282 Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
eyeball Posted October 23, 2023 Report Posted October 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: This is not correct. The Palestinian Ministry of Health is run by Hamas, who are the elected government party of Gaza, who are also a terrorist group, including as designated by our government: You've fallen into the trap that has been set for Israel - that Hamas is Palestine and Palestine is Hamas. According to this Israeli historian this is precisely what Hamas and it's patron Iran want and it could guarantee this war lasts for generations and possibly go nuclear. https://www.cbc.ca/news/thenational/what-yuval-noah-harari-thinks-hamas-wants-out-of-israel-attack-1.7004772 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Moonlight Graham Posted October 23, 2023 Report Posted October 23, 2023 4 hours ago, eyeball said: Sort of like that yeah. So where were Conservatives back then, did they or did they not oppose Mackenzie King's refusal to accept Jewish refugees? Is this because Conservatives were also in favour of bringing in Nazi refugees or were they oblivious to it happening? And what was their position when Canada sent a ship full of Jewish refugees back to Germany in 1939? If they were silent on the issue perhaps that gives us a clue as to where they're heads were at in 1945. It looks like the Liberals had to figure out the difference between right and wrong on their own. I have no doubt that there were many racist antisemites within the CPC during WWII, and likely more than in the Liberal Party. And I'd also wager the Liberal Party did more to support getting rid of racial discrimination like that than the CPC. 4 hours ago, eyeball said: I thought it meant being aware of the social injustice of treating people differently according to skin colour, not to mention a number of other disqualifiers. Well this doesn't include how woke ideology defines a "social injustice" or their remedies for them. It is a disgustingly racist and sexist ideology, among other forms of discrimination, and fundamentally illiberal. Fun reading into the mind of the woke: https://www.penguin.co.uk/articles/2020/06/ibram-x-kendi-definition-of-antiracist Quote Canada for example used to treat genocide and war refugees according to their ideology and big noses or something. I don't have an issue rejecting permanent residence of refugees in Canada based on their ideology for security reasons, such as Leninists/Maoists during the Cold War, or Islamic jihadists who advocate for Sharia Law. I wouldn't deny helping those refugees however, including temporary residence here before resettlement elsewhere. Allowing people to permanently settle in Canada who seek to politically overturn our entire system is not in our national interests. "Noses" are not a threat to our basic security and therefore totally irrelevant. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Moonlight Graham Posted October 23, 2023 Report Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, eyeball said: You've fallen into the trap that has been set for Israel - that Hamas is Palestine and Palestine is Hamas. According to this Israeli historian this is precisely what Hamas and it's patron Iran want and it could guarantee this war lasts for generations and possibly go nuclear. https://www.cbc.ca/news/thenational/what-yuval-noah-harari-thinks-hamas-wants-out-of-israel-attack-1.7004772 Hamas is not "Palestine", but Hamas is the governing party in power within Gaza. They were democratically elected in 2006 in Gaza: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election I would not take any info from any Palestinian government authority, or Israeli government authority, on its own without evidence, especially during a war. The Palestinian Ministry of Health already lied about the hospital. Edited October 23, 2023 by Moonlight Graham Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
CdnFox Posted October 23, 2023 Report Posted October 23, 2023 19 minutes ago, eyeball said: You've fallen into the trap that has been set for Israel - that Hamas is Palestine and Palestine is Hamas. According to this Israeli historian this is precisely what Hamas and it's patron Iran want and it could guarantee this war lasts for generations and possibly go nuclear. https://www.cbc.ca/news/thenational/what-yuval-noah-harari-thinks-hamas-wants-out-of-israel-attack-1.7004772 This war has already lasted for generations - hamas is just the latest flavour. The problem is the palestinians who refuse to live in peace. So - the answer isn't get rid of hamas, it's get rid of the whole shebang. Take back gaza and kick them out. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted October 23, 2023 Report Posted October 23, 2023 31 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: Hamas is not "Palestine", but Hamas is the governing party in power within Gaza. They were democratically elected in 2006 in Gaza: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election It doesn't strike you as odd that Hamas hasn't allowed an election in 17 years? How can you say with any certainly that Palestinans still support Hamas never mind with enthusiasm? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted October 23, 2023 Report Posted October 23, 2023 41 minutes ago, CdnFox said: The problem is the palestinians who refuse to live in peace. Due to the refusal of Jewish refugees to settle in peacefully. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
ExFlyer Posted October 23, 2023 Report Posted October 23, 2023 12 hours ago, Army Guy said: You mean like clean water, new housing... All free. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
ExFlyer Posted October 23, 2023 Report Posted October 23, 2023 12 hours ago, Army Guy said: Does not matter what percentage they won, it was a fair and democratic election, same as we have in this country... and yet the liberals represent Canada their decisions and acts reflect on the whole country... in this case 33% was all that was needed now if Justin ordered terrorist attacks on the US , all of Canada would be paying a military price...not just the ones that voted for Justin...same is true for Hamas and Palestine... I think this time Palestine crossed the line and now they are going to pay the price...regardless of how many people they kill, the city itself will not support the same amount of population, a good chunk of it has been destroyed....i, and winter is coming...they have to go some where right...that is a much bigger problem than who bomb the hospital, or when is aid coming in... That was my point. Less than half of the Palestinians people voted for hamas but, they won regardless. Not all Palestinians are in favour of hamas or their actions. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
CITIZEN_2015 Posted October 23, 2023 Report Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, CdnFox said: The Hamas gov't was elected and supported by the people, they are equally complicit. The citizens in gaza ARE responsible for the actions their gov't takes 1 - the war should continue until Gaza surrenders unconditionally 2 - See 1. Then Isreal moves in, arrests who it wants, deports the rest to whomever will take them, blows up the tunnels and paves over the whole thing. And THAT is what happens when you invade a neighbour. Thats a fantastic message to send the terrorist scumbags of the world. Hope you're listening. I did say in my post any person who is not bloodthirsty and who is not full of hate and revenge would want a peaceful resolution but of course at the time I knew this qualities do not apply to you sicko, so I am not surprised. Edited October 23, 2023 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
OftenWrong Posted October 23, 2023 Report Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, eyeball said: And what was their position when Canada sent a ship full of Jewish refugees back to Germany in 1939? If they were silent on the issue perhaps that gives us a clue as to where they're heads were at in 1945. It looks like the Liberals had to figure out the difference between right and wrong on their own. Sorry but you're playing horse hockey now. Mackenzie King was the PM throughout, was Liberal and held consecutive majorities. Everything was his/ the Liberals final say. They sent the ship away. Afterwards there was lengthy debate in the HOC as to whether Canada should allow Jews in who were trying to escape Nazis. The Liberal majority house determined they would allow in - one Jew. https://www.cbc.ca/history/EPISCONTENTSE1EP13CH4PA2LE.html None is too many Edited October 23, 2023 by OftenWrong Quote
I am Groot Posted October 23, 2023 Report Posted October 23, 2023 22 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Stupid, stupid comparison. We are talking past 2 weeks not past century. History has no bearing or meaning it this action today. History has no bearing on today? Now THAT'S stupid! Those who forget history are condemned to relive it. I think the Israelis are uninterested in reliving the slaughter of their people when the Hamas savages broke free of their cage. 1 Quote
I am Groot Posted October 23, 2023 Report Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, eyeball said: Due to the refusal of Jewish refugees to settle in peacefully. The Jews were peaceful enough when people weren't trying to kill them. Are you bothered that they tend to get violent when people do? 8 hours ago, eyeball said: It doesn't strike you as odd that Hamas hasn't allowed an election in 17 years? How can you say with any certainly that Palestinans still support Hamas never mind with enthusiasm? Most observers I've read (actually all of them) say that if they'd held an election Hamas would have won handily anyway. What recent polls have been taken say the same. Hamas regards elections as a western concept. They want to establish an Islamic state, not a western democracy. Edited October 23, 2023 by I am Groot 1 Quote
WestCanMan Posted October 23, 2023 Report Posted October 23, 2023 11 hours ago, OftenWrong said: In fact there is no "Hamas" as a thing apart from the Palestinian people. Just as with the Taliban, the difference between them and non-Taliban people is but fleeting. In the end, the Afghanistan people voted the Taliban back into power, and no more school for their little girls. "Voted" ? 8 hours ago, eyeball said: Due to the refusal of Jewish refugees to settle in peacefully. That right there displays your absolute ignorance on this topic. "Settling in peacefully" has never been an option. They've been attacked since day 1, literally. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
WestCanMan Posted October 23, 2023 Report Posted October 23, 2023 Further to above: Gaza is basically a bomb-making plant with 2M people in it. If the Israelis don't keep things locked down they die, fast. Not just soldiers, women and children are the preferred targets for Hamas, Hezbollah and the PLO. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
blackbird Posted October 23, 2023 Author Report Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, OftenWrong said: Sorry but you're playing horse hockey now. Mackenzie King was the PM throughout, was Liberal and held consecutive majorities. Everything was his/ the Liberals final say. They sent the ship away. Afterwards there was lengthy debate in the HOC as to whether Canada should allow Jews in who were trying to escape Nazis. The Liberal majority house determined they would allow in - one Jew. https://www.cbc.ca/history/EPISCONTENTSE1EP13CH4PA2LE.html None is too many Antisemitism has been common in many countries in the world and as you showed, Canada was no exception. I don't think things have changed a whole lot since WW2, maybe a bit. What is still a mystery, is how a Nazi could be invited into the House of Commons and be given a standing ovation. How could the Liberal government not have screened this person? How could all these Nazis have been allowed into Canada since WW2? Edited October 23, 2023 by blackbird Quote
CdnFox Posted October 23, 2023 Report Posted October 23, 2023 8 hours ago, eyeball said: It doesn't strike you as odd that Hamas hasn't allowed an election in 17 years? How can you say with any certainly that Palestinans still support Hamas never mind with enthusiasm? It strikes me as more odd that nobody else has called for one. Seems like they're happy with hamas. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
blackbird Posted October 23, 2023 Author Report Posted October 23, 2023 8 hours ago, eyeball said: Due to the refusal of Jewish refugees to settle in peacefully. Nonsensical. That's what happens when someone refuses to study any history and learn the facts. The existence of Israel has been opposed since the beginning of history. The world is full of antisemites. That alone is one good reason they deserve their own land as a place of refuge from the haters of the world. Quote
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