Should Hamas support rallies in Canada be stopped?

CdnFox · October 22, 2023

12 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Israel started it by declaring war on Palestinians in 1940's when armed Israeli terrorists massacred tens of thousands of civilians into leaving their homeland. It is all over the history.

Nope. that's not how it works.

It started when gaza launched an attack on a neighboring country without provocation and deliberately targeted civilians for the purpose of spreading terror and to initiate a conflict. Now Israel has declared war in response and gaza will have to live with the consequences of its actions.

It sure looks like they started a war they can't finish and they hoped others would bail them out and that's not happening. Now they're going to lose the war. Too bad they didn't choose not to commit suicide.

suds · October 22, 2023

39 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

This is the nature of Israel. To play victims and have others to fight their wars. American young men and women died in Iraq as just one example so that Israel remains safe.

I cannot comment. Not aware of welcoming Nazi refugees. Argentina did but may be Canada did to lesser extend.

It was the British who brought Jews from Europe to Palestine, protected them with their guns and then armed them so that they kill Palestinian civilians and terrorized them into leaving their homeland so that the criminal terrorists can occupy their land and have continued terror and killing of defenseless Palestinians till to day.

You can say a lot of things about Israelis but you can't say they depend on others to fight their wars for them. That's nonsense. Zionism was around a long time before Canada (and the US) refused the MS ST.Louis to land its Jewish refugees in 1939. 254 of the refugees ended up dying in NazI concentration camps. The holocaust was a big factor in increased Jewish immigration to Palestine. And then there was the guilt thing that many in the west had for the Jews and I would include myself there. The Israelis knew in every war they were involved in that if they lost that was the end of them. They would literally be driven into the sea. It's what makes them the way they are, and fight the way they do.

Edited October 22, 2023 by suds

CdnFox · October 22, 2023

9 minutes ago, suds said:

You can say a lot of things about Israelis but you can't say they depend on others to fight their wars for them. That's nonsense. Zionism was around a long time before Canada (and the US) refused the MS ST.Louis to land its Jewish refugees in 1939. 254 of the refugees ended up dying in NazI concentration camps. The holocaust was a big factor in increased Jewish immigration to Palestine. And then there was the guilt thing that many in the west had for the Jews and I would include myself there. The Israelis knew in every war they were involved in that if they lost that was the end of them. They would literally be driven into the sea. It's what makes them the way they are, and fight the way they do.

Now that you mention it - it was a liberal gov't that turned away the jews wasn't it.

man - those left wingers really don't like jewish people much.

suds · October 22, 2023

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

Now that you mention it - it was a liberal gov't that turned away the jews wasn't it.

man - those left wingers really don't like jewish people much.

Yep, and it was a Democrat President (FDR) in the U.S. who besides refusing to allow the ST.Louis to land also stripped Japanese Americans of all their assets and placed them in internment camps.

ExFlyer · October 22, 2023

Man, has this thread ever gone off topic LOL

I just saw on the news that police in Germany broke up a protest. They said it was unauthorized and it got me to thinking (I know, ...mellow out LOL).

Maybe all protests here should have authorizations and permits? No spontaneous protests allowed. All must be planned and permitted? Otherwise they will be broken up before they start.

CdnFox · October 22, 2023

8 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Man, has this thread ever gone off topic LOL

I just saw on the news that police in Germany broke up a protest. They said it was unauthorized and it got me to thinking (I know, ...mellow out LOL).

Maybe all protests here should have authorizations and permits? No spontaneous protests allowed. All must be planned and permitted? Otherwise they will be broken up before they start.

I think that's already a law actually and it's enforced if they block roads or go on too long or the like.

WestCanMan · October 22, 2023

2 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

You are full of shi*t.

Totally suppressing the murderous acts commixed by the state of Israel,

See? There ya go. You can't even admit that Hamas are shit people. You have to pretend that they are decent people who are just fighting with dignity and honour.

You don't want victory over Hamas, you want a genocide against the Israelis but you just can't admit it.

WestCanMan · October 22, 2023

2 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Another damn lie. I said that soon after the news reported by all news agencies. We still don't know for sure who did it but two days later I posted and I said it was the Islamic republic who ordered the attack on hospital to one of its legs, the Islamic Jihad and asked the west to target the head of the Octopus (the Islamic republic) and not only Hamas which is one of its legs)

Of course it's not a lie. You absolutely came on here and said that the Israelis attacked the hospital. Do you need me to go cite the post? You can't just have a little integrity for one second in your life, can you?

That's why you're a mouthpiece for Hamas.

CdnFox · October 22, 2023

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

Of course it's not a lie. You absolutely came on here and said that the Israelis attacked the hospital. Do you need me to go cite the post? You can't just have a little integrity for one second in your life, can you?

That's why you're a mouthpiece for Hamas.

If you look at his comments to me and others his claim is that he's not a mouthpiece for hamas because he was just repeating what hamas said.

I don't think he's seen the problem with that logic just yet. Give him a minute.

eyeball · October 22, 2023

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

So where the current Jewish community came from if Canada said no to them?

They obviously came later after Canada presumably started going woke.

What caused that is the better question.

WestCanMan · October 22, 2023

2 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Another damn lie.

Here ya go, liar:

Page 14, 3/4 of the way down. Your own words:

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Latest news, Over 500 sick people taking shelter in hospital were killed just an hour ago by Israeli air strike while the world is watching brainwashed into silence. What a civilized world we live in today!!!

Who's brainwashed dude?

This stuff comes out of Hamas's ass, into your brain and straight out of your mouth.

ExFlyer · October 22, 2023

45 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I think that's already a law actually and it's enforced if they block roads or go on too long or the like.

Like the truckers???

And the pro Palestine stuff in Toronto and Ottawa last week?

blackbird · October 22, 2023

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

To play victims and have others to fight their wars.

I talked to a man who was an Israeli /Canadian. He said everyone is required to be in the reserves as he was when he lived there. He had to be ready at any moment to be called out to fight for his country. They don't rely on others. They know what the price is to defend their own country and they pay a high price.

WestCanMan · October 22, 2023

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I talked to a man who was an Israeli /Canadian. He said everyone is required to be in the reserves as he was when he lived there. He had to be ready at any moment to be called out to fight for his country. They don't rely on others. They know what the price is to defend their own country and they pay a high price.

Universal male conscription is fairly normal in the rest of the world.

I know a guy who immigrated here from Turkey who was still going back every so often, for about 3 months at a time, to fulfill his reservist obligations.

A lot of European countries have it.

Army Guy · October 22, 2023

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

I agree the veterans are getting nothing but, the indigenous? They get whatever more they want even though they already get everything from the feds and provinces already.

You mean like clean water, new housing...

Moonlight Graham · October 22, 2023

17 hours ago, eyeball said:

Everyone knows the MSM is controlled by the PMO not Hamas. In any case the MSM seems to have no issue reporting these numbers.

https://www.reuters.com/article/israel-palestinians-casualties-health/at-least-4137-palestinians-killed-in-israeli-strikes-since-oct-7-health-ministry-idINS8N3B9072Here's a link to a story about the doubling of the number of Palestinians under Israeli arrest since Oct 7.

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2023/10/21/number-of-palestinian-prisoners-in-israel-doubles-to-10000-in-two-weeks

Does Israel have any idea how many civilians they've killed since Oct 7th?

That's right, why is the MSM reporting numbers provided by Hamas as if they have any credibility? The terrible misinformation reporting over the hospital incident is almost libelous. Journalists need to do their job better.

As for the arrests reported by Al Jazeera, I don't trust reports from a media outlet owned by the monarchy of Qatar and numbers coming from "Palestinian officials", otherwise meaning Hamas, especially without evidence.

Army Guy · October 22, 2023

4 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Winners of elections are not a proof that all people within are in agreement with the winner. We are not all Trudeau's liberals...he only convinced 33% of Canadians.

Things the way they are now is the way things were 10, 20, 70 years ago. Maybe even for the thousands of year prior.

The jewish people and arab peoples have been at each others throat forever and I am not sure any government is going to abolish the hatred between them.

For me, the entire region is of no use to the rest of the world except for a few drops of oil. It can all become a wasteland.

Does not matter what percentage they won, it was a fair and democratic election, same as we have in this country... and yet the liberals represent Canada their decisions and acts reflect on the whole country... in this case 33% was all that was needed now if Justin ordered terrorist attacks on the US , all of Canada would be paying a military price...not just the ones that voted for Justin...same is true for Hamas and Palestine...

I think this time Palestine crossed the line and now they are going to pay the price...regardless of how many people they kill, the city itself will not support the same amount of population, a good chunk of it has been destroyed....i, and winter is coming...they have to go some where right...that is a much bigger problem than who bomb the hospital, or when is aid coming in...

Moonlight Graham · October 22, 2023

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

They obviously came later after Canada presumably started going woke.

What caused that is the better question.

No you mean better living up to their liberalism ideals, which means treating people the same regardless of race. Woke means treating people differently depending on their skin colour, which is anti-liberal.

CITIZEN_2015 · October 22, 2023

All Hamas fighters dead.

I read somewhere that ALL the 1500 Hamas terrorists who massacre Israeli civilians and likely raped women and killed defenseless children were killed by returning Israeli soldiers so FU*K THEM ALL. They committed vicious crimes against unarmed civilians and I hope they burn in hell.

No matter how oppressed their family or nation have been in the past and crimes committed against them by Israeli government, there is no excuse for their violent vision actions against defenseless Israeli civilians. I hope the entire Hamas membership follow the same fate soon.

CdnFox · October 22, 2023

43 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Like the truckers???

well sort of - i mean usually yes, they go to the courts and have such demonstrations declared against the law, and then the judge gives the protesters a short time to disperse. But - for some reason nobody actually ever did that with the trucker protest. It was actually never ruled to be illegal by a judge at all. Nobody even tried. I noted at the time that was really weird.

But in theory yes.

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And the pro Palestine stuff in Toronto and Ottawa last week?

Generally. the cops may let it go on for a while but then there's an injunction and it ends. Most protests end before that process can happen.

CdnFox · October 23, 2023

10 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

All Hamas fighters dead.

I read somewhere that ALL the 1500 Hamas terrorists who massacre Israeli civilians and likely raped women and killed defenseless children were killed

Well that's convenient isn't it Maybe they were all in the hospital you said got bombed

"ohhh - yeah... those guys... ummm... yeah they're all dead so you can call the war off now please, nobody HERE would ever do that kind of thing "

hey - pay attention kid - they're ALL responsible. All of the gov't, all of the citizens. Gaza launched this attack and the entire nation is responsible. They put the guns in those people's hands and sent them on their way.

So no. The people who massacred and killed and raped are NOT dead. The murderers and rapists are still alive and well in Gaza.

They can surrender and then be held to account for their crimes. THEN this can be over.

CITIZEN_2015 · October 23, 2023

The Hamas government responsible and should be punished according to the law of Israel for murder and rape. The citizens of Gaza are NOT responsible for the evil deeds and must not be harmed or killed.

1 - Cease fire by both sides. Stop bombardment of Gaza and stop rockets from Gaza.

2 - Unconditional release of all Israeli and foreign hostages.

3 - All Hamas members disarmed and surrender to Israeli police and put on trial individually

4 - United Nations govern Gaza till a government can be elected. Hamas banned from election.

5 - Israel pay compensation for those civilians killed or lost their homes.

6 - The future government of Gaza pay compensation to those civilian Israelis killed.

7 - An independent state of Palestine formed in Gaza with guarantees of no more attacks by either side.

8 - United Nations help to rebuilt Gaza.

Something like above peace deal is fair and humane. If you have humanity in you and are not full of hate and revenge in order to stop bloodshed and more suffering on both sides will agree that some kind of peace deal is urgently needed.

Edited October 23, 2023 by CITIZEN_2015

eyeball · October 23, 2023

2 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

That's right, why is the MSM reporting numbers provided by Hamas as if they have any credibility?

I think they're using numbers provided by Palestinans and aid groups, not terrorists IOW.

2 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

As for the arrests reported by Al Jazeera, I don't trust reports from a media outlet owned by the monarchy of Qatar and numbers coming from "Palestinian officials", otherwise meaning Hamas, especially without evidence.

I see little reason to trust much of what's being reported by anyone to tell you the truth. All we know for sure is that lots of people are being killed and that's creating lots of reasons for people to keep hating and skirmishing forever over there.

Over here, feelings just keep hardening and we'll see some violence as well.

eyeball · October 23, 2023

2 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

No you mean better living up to their liberalism ideals, which means treating people the same regardless of race.

Sort of like that yeah. So where were Conservatives back then, did they or did they not oppose Mackenzie King's refusal to accept Jewish refugees? Is this because Conservatives were also in favour of bringing in Nazi refugees or were they oblivious to it happening?

And what was their position when Canada sent a ship full of Jewish refugees back to Germany in 1939? If they were silent on the issue perhaps that gives us a clue as to where they're heads were at in 1945.

It looks like the Liberals had to figure out the difference between right and wrong on their own.

2 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Woke means treating people differently depending on their skin colour, which is anti-liberal.

I thought it meant being aware of the social injustice of treating people differently according to skin colour, not to mention a number of other disqualifiers.

Canada for example used to treat genocide and war refugees according to their ideology and big noses or something.

CdnFox · October 23, 2023

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

The Hamas government responsible and should be punished according to the law of Israel for murder and rape. The citizens of Gaza are NOT responsible for the evil deeds and must not be harmed or killed.

1 - Cease fire by both sides. Stop bombardment of Gaza and stop rockets from Gaza.

2 - Unconditional release of all Israeli and foreign hostages.

3 - All Hamas members disarmed and surrender to Israeli police and put on trial individually

4 - United Nations govern Gaza till a government can be elected. Hamas banned from election.

5 - Israel pay compensation for those civilians killed or lost their homes.

6 - The future government of Gaza pay compensation to those civilian Israelis killed.

7 - An independent state of Palestine formed in Gaza with guarantees of no more attacks by either side.

8 - United Nations help to rebuilt Gaza.

Something like above peace deal is fair and humane. If you have humanity in you and are not full of hate and revenge in order to stop bloodshed and more suffering on both sides will agree that some kind of peace deal is urgently needed.