Should Hamas support rallies in Canada be stopped?

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

I hear a lot of talk about this but I have not been shown any of these atrocities on TV yet?

The television media has policies about showing or not showing grotesque video of victims of violence.  Why are you not aware of that?  Why play dumb?

The media has reported the barbaric cruel attacks and cold-blooded murder of 1,500 people or more over the past week.  Why can you not accept that?  The rest of the civilized world accepts it.

[impartialobserver]

56 minutes ago, taxme said:

It is not only my prediction gut it is fact. It is only a matter of time. So, what country do you live in? Just asking. 

USA..your predictions are not fact.. no matter how many times you say. 

[eyeball]

37 minutes ago, blackbird said:

How is it that terrorist sympathizers and supporters get approved for immigration into Canada?  

Trudeau brought in something like 50,000 Syrian refugees after he was elected in 2015.  How many of these were screened for being terrorist supporters or screened for being antisemitic?   How many of them have been now demonstrating in the streets Canadian cities and yet hold Canadian citizenship or residency status?

Maybe the answers to questions on how Nazi refugees were allowed into Canada instead of Jewish refugees after WW2 will shed some light on your question.

In any case perhaps if we and our allies had better priorities back then we wouldn't have the mess we see today. 

[WestCanMan]

42 minutes ago, blackbird said:

How is it that terrorist sympathizers and supporters get approved for immigration into Canada?  

Trudeau brought in something like 50,000 Syrian refugees after he was elected in 2015.  How many of these were screened for being terrorist supporters or screened for being antisemitic?   How many of them have been now demonstrating in the streets Canadian cities and yet hold Canadian citizenship or residency status?

Why did we prioritize muslims over the Christians and Yazidis who were actually facing genocide? Our gov't is a joke. 

[taxme]

51 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

They're not the kind of things to post here, and no one is denying the war crimes but you. 

The only thing Hamas denies is chopping off babies' heads.

The videos of dead women being paraded through the streets and spat on by teens are on TV, have you not been watching? 

And you know this for a fact that Hamas was cutting off babies heads.I am just asking to see the proof. Gory, but hey. During the invasion of Iraq, Saddam's military were accused of going into Iran's hospitals and stabbing babies to death over a decade ago. A lie that was proven to be false. Even the story of weapons of mass destruction was a lie. 

So, who do we believe? Phk if i know. 

Can't catch every thing on TV. But being spit at on TV is not something to be considered horrifying. Christ man, this is war now. Both sides are going to say nasty things about the other side. Hello. 

[taxme]

44 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The television media has policies about showing or not showing grotesque video of victims of violence.  Why are you not aware of that?  Why play dumb?

The media has reported the barbaric cruel attacks and cold-blooded murder of 1,500 people or more over the past week.  Why can you not accept that?  The rest of the civilized world accepts it.

I believe that many people have died from the bombing of each other, but i do not have to believe that babies were having their heads cut off. They said that about Saddam's military during some war with Kuwait that his soldier would go into their enemies hospital and would stabbed their babies to death with bayonets. A story found out later to be false.

So, tell me as to why i should believe this story about Hamas cutting babies heads off? I have a right to question such incidents supposedly happening. Gory, but where is the beef. We have often seen some awful pictures of dead people on TV before. When it comes to the MSM, i take anything they say as questionable. 

Israel just blew up a Christian hospital in Gaza that killed 500 people, many of them women and children. What do you have to say about that, fella? Is that all okay with you? Well? 

[taxme]

26 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

USA..your predictions are not fact.. no matter how many times you say. 

Your dear leader president is allowing hundreds of thousands of non-whites enter your country illegally at the Mexican American border. Very few if any are white people. Your dear leader is even flying in many non-whites from many other countries from around the world illegally. You cannot be that dumb to not see this happening. I see it happening every day at the border when watching FOX NEWS. 

The same thing is happening here in Canada. There appears to be, what i dare call a conspiracy going on here to try and replace white people with non-white people in both countries. When 80% of new legal and illegal refugees/immigrants coming to Canada every year, what else am i suppose to believe but that we white folk are going to be replaced. And no matter what you try to say is not happening, it is happening. Just take the blindfold off your face. That should work for, you. LOL. 

[impartialobserver]

1 minute ago, taxme said:

Your dear leader president is allowing hundreds of thousands of non-whites enter your country illegally at the Mexican American border. Very few if any are white people. Your dear leader is even flying in many non-whites from many other countries from around the world illegally. You cannot be that dumb to not see this happening. I see it happening every day at the border when watching FOX NEWS. 

The same thing is happening here in Canada. There appears to be, what i dare call a conspiracy going on here to try and replace white people with non-white people in both countries. When 80% of new legal and illegal refugees/immigrants coming to Canada every year, what else am i suppose to believe but that we white folk are going to be replaced. And no matter what you try to say is not happening, it is happening. Just take the blindfold off your face. That should work for, you. LOL. 

off topic... so predictable. 

[taxme]

30 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Maybe the answers to questions on how Nazi refugees were allowed into Canada instead of Jewish refugees after WW2 will shed some light on your question.

In any case perhaps if we and our allies had better priorities back then we wouldn't have the mess we see today. 

This is what you will get when a country implements a program and agenda called multiculturalism in it's country. There are many different cultures, languages, religions and traditions that are now being allowed into Canada. So, what did you expect?

Many of these new immigrants have greivences against some other race or ethnic group and they bring those greivences with them from whence they came. We do not ask new immigrants to assimilate anymore. Canada now does the opposite of assimilation. We now have a feud going on in Canada between Jews and Arabs. I did not ask for multiculturalism, but i am pretty sure that you had no problem with it. Now you will pay for your ignorance. Your problem, and sadly, mine also. ?

8 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

off topic... so predictable. 

Indeed, slightly off topic. But then again, you did not bother to reply just a little. So predictable of you. ?

[WestCanMan]

29 minutes ago, taxme said:

And you know this for a fact that Hamas was cutting off babies heads.

Nope. I know they were murdered, but I didn't hunt for the photos. 

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During the invasion of Iraq, Saddam's military were accused of going into Iran's hospitals and stabbing babies to death over a decade ago.

I never heard of that, but it's undoubtedly a lie. 

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Even the story of weapons of mass destruction was a lie. 

I dunno. How hard is it to hide some WMDs in a whole country? A minute drop of nerve has is enough to kill a person - you don't need an epic stockpile, and they had used WMDs previously...

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So, who do we believe? Phk if i know. 

Not our media, and that's a shame. It's on Fox though, and they're nowhere near as bad as our crap news.

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Can't catch every thing on TV. But being spit at on TV is not something to be considered horrifying. Christ man, this is war now. Both sides are going to say nasty things about the other side. Hello. 

I'm not sure you got that right, maybe my fault...

They had a dead woman in the back of a pickup truck, with just some panties on, seemed like she face down with her butt propped up (it was mostly blurred) and people were spitting on her as they drove along. Mostly kids, about 15 yrs old. 

If she was alive it's arguably worse. 

[Dougie93]

On 10/9/2023 at 2:55 PM, blackbird said:

WARMINGTON: Jewish and political leaders demand Toronto pro-Hamas hate rallies be stopped (msn.com)

You can be sure if it were a hate rally by various other groups, they would be stopped.

the standard in Canada really has little to do with ideology

Canada being a monarchy under the rule of the British Crown; enforces the King's Peace therein

thus the threshold where a rally would be stopped, is if it is likely to cause a "breach of the peace"

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

Israel just blew up a Christian hospital in Gaza that killed 500 people, many of them women and children. What do you have to say about that, fella? Is that all okay with you? Well? 

The U.S. and Israel deny that Israel blew up the hospital.  They believe it was destroyed by a terrorist missile that fell short.

Why do you automatically believe Hamas or their supporters when they are the worst barbaric murderers and liars in the world?

Edited October 18, 2023 by blackbird

[taxme]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

The U.S. and Israel deny that Israel blew up the hospital.  They believe it was destroyed by a terrorist missile that fell short.

Why do you automatically believe Hamas or their supporters when they are the worst barbaric murderers and liars in the world?

Why do you believe that it was not Israel involved that went sideways? Israel has been sending bombs all over Gaza. All bombs don't always hit their targets. In this case, who can we believe here?  

[taxme]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

The television media has policies about showing or not showing grotesque video of victims of violence.  Why are you not aware of that?  Why play dumb?

The media has reported the barbaric cruel attacks and cold-blooded murder of 1,500 people or more over the past week.  Why can you not accept that?  The rest of the civilized world accepts it.

Aw bullshit. The MSM will show what they want to show if it is in their benefit and interest to do so.

What about all of the missiles that Israel had been sending off into Gaza which has caused many deaths and injuries for the Palestinians. The Israelis could have just as easily sent in their military and wiped out Hamas if they wanted to, which by the way. they are doing now. It's war now, and any and everything goes. The cost of doing battle. Both sides are guilty of atrocities. Live with it. Most of the rest of the world will always side with Israel because they have to or else. ?

[taxme]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Nope. I know they were murdered, but I didn't hunt for the photos. 

I never heard of that, but it's undoubtedly a lie. 

I dunno. How hard is it to hide some WMDs in a whole country? A minute drop of nerve has is enough to kill a person - you don't need an epic stockpile, and they had used WMDs previously...

Not our media, and that's a shame. It's on Fox though, and they're nowhere near as bad as our crap news.

I'm not sure you got that right, maybe my fault...

They had a dead woman in the back of a pickup truck, with just some panties on, seemed like she face down with her butt propped up (it was mostly blurred) and people were spitting on her as they drove along. Mostly kids, about 15 yrs old. 

If she was alive it's arguably worse. 

You are sure that they were murdered and not just casualties of war? 

It was proven to be a lie and the MSM ate it up whole. 

WMD'S that were never there or used. That was Bush bullshit and it was used as an excuse to invade Iraq and in the end murder Saddam. 

These days i have to question FOX NEWS. FOX is very pro Israel. 

It's always worse when one gets caught and is taken prisoner from the other side. One is lucky if one gets treated civilized and is fairly treated. 

WAR SUCKS. 

[WestCanMan]

8 minutes ago, taxme said:

Why do you believe that it was not Israel involved that went sideways? Israel has been sending bombs all over Gaza. All bombs don't always hit their targets. In this case, who can we believe here?  

Does a huge Palestinian sob story help Hamas or Israel?

Is killing some Drs and nurses and patients going to help Israel win this war? 

Whose weapons are more likely to go astray? 

Which group of people is most likely to attack a group of civilians?

Which group of people is most likely to attack "the last Christian hospital in Gaza"? 

Which group of people is most likely to lie? (Hamas was busted for storing munitions in hospitals and schools)

 

One more thing that's unusual - Hamas released the information of the hospital explosion along with a death toll. There's no way that they could have known that instantly. It would take a while for media to get in touch with hospital officials for an estimate of how many people would be there. 

[taxme]

7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Does a huge Palestinian sob story help Hamas or Israel?

Is killing some Drs and nurses and patients going to help Israel win this war? 

Whose weapons are more likely to go astray? 

Which group of people is most likely to attack a group of civilians?

Which group of people is most likely to attack "the last Christian hospital in Gaza"? 

Which group of people is most likely to lie? (Hamas was busted for storing munitions in hospitals and schools)

 

One more thing that's unusual - Hamas released the information of the hospital explosion along with a death toll. There's no way that they could have known that instantly. It would take a while for media to get in touch with hospital officials for an estimate of how many people would be there. 

How long was it before Hamas released that information? You say instantly, but it could have been hours or even a day later. You nor I knows exactly as to when that information was released. You are just going by what you have been told by the media, a trustful source for news indeed. ?

[WestCanMan]

4 minutes ago, taxme said:

You are sure that they were murdered and not just casualties of war? 

They were absolutely civilian casualties dude. It was a house-to-house raid. Basically 1/100 soldiers to civilians ratio. 

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It was proven to be a lie and the MSM ate it up whole. 

Maybe the media you watch ate it up whole. I never saw that story before.

All I heard about was an explosion at a baby food factory.

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WMD'S that were never there or used. That was Bush bullshit and it was used as an excuse to invade Iraq and in the end murder Saddam. 

Of course they were used. The Iraqis gassed the Kurds before the first Iraq war, killing about 300,000 people. 

It's just a question of whether or not they had any WMDs before the second war. They never found any, and new intelligence reports say that they were never sure there were any iirc (maybe more definitively said there were none, IDK)

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These days i have to question FOX NEWS. FOX is very pro Israel. 

That's your prerogative, and yeah Fox is quite pro-Israel. Sean Hannity says that he has personally known Benjamin Netanyahu for decades. 

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It's always worse when one gets caught and is taken prisoner from the other side. One is lucky if one gets treated civilized and is fairly treated. 

There is already video evidence that they are not being treated civilly, but you seem to be listening to the radio or reading about it.

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WAR SUCKS. 

Being attacked by a large terrorist group sucks. 

Being surrounded by a billion violent religious bigots sucks. 

Being surrounded by a billion violent religious bigots who are pro-genocide really sucks. 

Off the top of my head the recent genocides by ME countries in the last century there include the Armenian genocide, 1947 in Pakistan, 1972 in Pakistan, Iraq gassing the Kurds, Iraq and Syria in 2018, and of course, they've all been rubbing their hands together waiting for a genocide against Israelis. That goes back to the Hadiths, over 1,000 years ago.

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It is narrated in the hadith that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The Hour will not begin until you fight the Jews, until a Jew will hide behind a rock or a tree, and the rock or tree will say: ‘O Muslim, O slave of Allah, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.’

 

 

3 minutes ago, taxme said:

How long was it before Hamas released that information? You say instantly, but it could have been hours or even a day later.

FFS man, now you're off in crazyland. 

You think they waited hours? "EVEN A DAY"?

Stop playing stupid now. I'm about done with your shit. 

[taxme]

7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

They were absolutely civilian casualties dude. It was a house-to-house raid. Basically 1/100 soldiers to civilians ratio. 

Maybe the media you watch ate it up whole. I never saw that story before.

All I heard about was an explosion at a baby food factory.

Of course they were used. The Iraqis gassed the Kurds before the first Iraq war, killing about 300,000 people. 

It's just a question of whether or not they had any WMDs before the second war. They never found any, and new intelligence reports say that they were never sure there were any iirc (maybe more definitively said there were none, IDK)

That's your prerogative, and yeah Fox is quite pro-Israel. Sean Hannity says that he has personally known Benjamin Netanyahu for decades. 

There is already video evidence that they are not being treated civilly, but you seem to be listening to the radio or reading about it.

Being attacked by a large terrorist group sucks. 

Being surrounded by a billion violent religious bigots sucks. 

Being surrounded by a billion violent religious bigots who are pro-genocide really sucks. 

Off the top of my head the recent genocides by ME countries in the last century there include the Armenian genocide, 1947 in Pakistan, 1972 in Pakistan, Iraq gassing the Kurds, Iraq and Syria in 2018, and of course, they've all been rubbing their hands together waiting for a genocide against Israelis. That goes back to the Hadiths, over 1,000 years ago.

 

 

FFS man, now you're off in crazyland. 

You think they waited hours? "EVEN A DAY"?

Stop playing stupid now. I'm about done with your shit. 

Well, it sure is great and reassuring to have someone like you on the ground and keeping us all abreast of what the hell is going on over there. Keep up the good work and keep us all informed of all of those events and terrible stories about what is going on over there. I am pretty sure that you would not try and bullshit anyone here, right? If you need anything let me know, pal.  And be careful and watch out for missiles flying around over there. I care about you, man. ?

 

[Army Guy]

7 hours ago, taxme said:

Where the hell are all those videos and pictures that you say are atrocities happening to whomever? I hear a lot of talk about this but I have not been shown any of these atrocities on TV yet? Have you? Show me, will ya, just to prove what you are telling me here is true. A simple request. Without any pictures or videos, why should I believe you? 

Here's the thing Skippy, you don't have to believe in anything i say or do...your a grown up go on social media and type in Hamas attacks, and see for yourself what comes up....but hey if you want to support terrorist thats a freedom you have here in Canada... You don't need me holding your hand and doing research for you i think you got some skills, might not have good judgement but maybe some skills...

It's not been on TV because you have not been watching it, might want to try a Muslim news agency like AL Jazeera you can see them dragging a half naked dead Israelis girl down the street as if she was a trophy...

[blackbird]

14 hours ago, taxme said:

Both sides are guilty of atrocities.

Who started this current conflict?  Who attacked and butchered hundreds of Israeli music festival goers and killed them on October 7th?  Who started firing thousands of rockets into Israel on October 7th?

Answer:   Hamas

Who took about 200 innocent Israeli hostages?

Answer:  Hamas

Who has a right to defend itself from such attacks?

Answer:  The one who was first attacked, Israel

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Dear students,

I cannot believe it. How can we wake up every morning since Oct. 7 knowing that young kids are being imprisoned in dungeons simply because they are Jewish and not speak out? How can we accept a world in which young women are sexually enslaved, while others are being tortured, because they were visiting Israel? Why would you respect a campus culture that excuses such abominations?

You’ve seen the horrifying images and the despicable videos. You’ve heard the cries of people who were swarmed, beaten, humiliated, raped, burned and slaughtered by Hamas. This bloodbath gave Israelis your age no choice: they must now stand and fight for their homeland, or they’ll be the next to die.

You, however, have a choice: you can fight this outrage and make your resistance a generational game-changer, or you can dodge responsibility and continue life as usual — at least until this evil catches up with you eventually.

Hamas’ orgy of violence was so monstrous that no fair-minded human could justify it. Beheading babies, kidnapping people confined to wheelchairs and slaughtering whole families is pure evil. Our civilization deems such acts repugnant — and if you have been a long-time critic of Israel, it’s even more important to reinforce that value.

That some people, some of your fellow students,  justified these acts, blaming the victims for their suffering, is inexcusable. This isn’t about “occupation,” “colonialism,” “imperialism” or “racism.”

While we must always tolerate differences, we must also draw some red lines. I will not fraternize with Nazis or racists or their cheerleaders. Similarly, I would never hire, work with, work for, learn from or befriend someone who delighted in these crimes or finds Israel “entirely responsible for all unfolding violence.”

No political stance justifies torturing the most vulnerable. Yet some have adopted images of paragliders — which were used by terrorists to raid the Supernova music festival, where they slayed 260 people — as inspiring symbols.

For me, freezing out such callous fanatics is easy. I’ve long recognized their Jew-hatred and utter refusal to process new facts. For some of you, I understand it’s harder to distance yourselves because you share common cause with them on other issues, or have even spent years justifying Hamas as pragmatic and Palestinians as oppressed — and thus never guilty of any crimes. But what does it say about us if events, especially such horrific ones, don’t cause us to rethink our assumptions?

I had no expectations of these Hamas barbarians or their apologists, so their depravity repels me but doesn’t surprise. I was surprised, however, by many of the snivelling responses to these amoral bullies. I was embarrassed by reports of students turning to administrators because pro-Palestinian demonstrations frightened them. Warnings not to go to class during last week’s “Day of Jihad” also made me squirm.

Israelis your age are running toward gunfire. On Oct. 7, Canadians raised just like you were equally heroic. One Canadian who was killed, Alexandre Look, 33, of Montreal, shielded other concert-goers from bullets with his body, while another, Ben Mizrachi , 22, tended to wounded revellers instead of fleeing — and was slaughtered as a result. Yet in North America, students run away from some loudmouths?

It’s time to grow a spine. If you feel “uncomfortable,” don’t whine to grownups, but act. Invite your friends to accompany you. If they say it has nothing to with them, then you know they don’t get it. Invite beefy friends from the football and lacrosse team along, too — not to confront (we’re not the violent ones), but simply to deter.

Invite your professors to join, especially gender studies profs. If they refuse, ask them to at least comment on Hamas’ rape culture and the delight so many Palestinians took in degrading so many Israeli women.

Two years ago, 120 gender studies departments throughout North America denounced Israel’s acts of self-defence against Hamas. So far, I haven’t seen a single academic department denounce Hamas’ anti-woman, anti-human bloodbath.     unquote

Gil Troy: Students, it's time to find your courage and confront Hamas apologists on campus (msn.com)

 

Edited October 19, 2023 by blackbird

[I am Groot]

19 hours ago, taxme said:

Where the hell are all those videos and pictures that you say are atrocities happening to whomever? I hear a lot of talk about this but I have not been shown any of these atrocities on TV yet? Have you? Show me, will ya, just to prove what you are telling me here is true. A simple request. Without any pictures or videos, why should I believe you? 

You want to see live video of women being gang raped and having their throats cut? 

TV doesn't show deaths, especially murders in action. Anyone normal would know this. 

[I am Groot]

19 hours ago, taxme said:

Off topic here but, the white folk of the world are going to be sad one day that they did not join in and or belong to an outfit like the Aryan Nations

Maybe if outfits like the Aryan Nations weren't a bunch of drooling, mouth-breathing sister lovers more white people would join up. But since most white people are sane and have a higher level of intelligence, and at least some education, we don't see much point in supporting, much less joining organizations run by the violent, ignorant dregs of society.

The situation between Israel and Hamas is a war between the civilized and the barbarians. I put the Aryan nation types in the latter category.

[suds]

16 hours ago, taxme said:

Why do you believe that it was not Israel involved that went sideways? Israel has been sending bombs all over Gaza. All bombs don't always hit their targets. In this case, who can we believe here?  

Satellite imagery can give a definitive view of the bomb crater and the extent of damage  done and it doesn't match up with any ordnance in use by the IDF.  It might not be absolute proof but lacking the ability to do any kind of independent search for bomb fragments it's as good as it gets.

Edited October 19, 2023 by suds

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

Who started this current conflict?

England and its allies, 75 years ago.