Hamas Attacks Israel

[ironstone]

2 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

None and if Israelis also show no restraint and kill innocent women and children then they show one more time that they are as bad as Hamas. Kill all the Hamas terrorists all tight for sure has my full support but spare innocent civilians many women and children among them. 

The IDF always seem to take extraordinary measures to avoid civilian casualties in Gaza. However, what is to be done with the usual Hamas tactic of using their own citizens as human shields? We know they hide launch sites in schools and hospitals and the like.

It's unbelievably disgusting that people the world over are celebrating the butchery of Hamas. In Western democracies no less.

Senior Liberal staffer shares post defending Palestinian “revolutionary violence” | True North (tnc.news)

 

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

You are an enabling fool. Keep watching RT.

"AHHH! HITLER! WE ALL GONNA DIIIEEE!!!"

pfft...

[CITIZEN_2015]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

You're fighting Hamas. These are savages.

They will use innocents as human shields. Collateral damage is inevitable.

We're talking a group that was parading the dead corpses of women, and taking the bodies, probably for rape. Taking children, and doing the same.

Your fate as a woman or child was murder, or likely gang rape.

These people don't deserve gentle gloves. They deserve the full military force. Minimize collateral, but one must be punished for such actions.

 

I agree do the same with Hamas terrorists but not the people, One thousand terrorists invaded Israel and committed atrocities so totally root them out and execute their members but do not condemn 2.3 million people some of them if not most, opposing the atrocities to death and destruction. If you were born in Gaza instead of Canada you would have been one of those that you are so determined to kill.

Edited October 9, 2023 by CITIZEN_2015

[CITIZEN_2015]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

This is not going to happen, GAZA is to small a space that is over filled with Palestinians, it is the civilians who are going to pay the highest toll in this conflict, that is fact.

That being said it is them the population who put these terrorist in charge, so they bear some of the responsibility for their governments actions...Besides Israel has never had a majority of western support, most blame Israel for the plight of the Palestinians, Who are professional victims. Only this time they have gone to far, and Israel will not stop until they are satisfied...

I don't think they are too concerned with western with what westerners think at the moment, or in the near future...i would say be prepared to be shocked at the death and destruction this conflict is going to bring...  

Yes what you say is unfortunately true but they can at least minimize civilian casualties by ground invasion and targeted killing rather than indiscriminate random bombing of civilian population as they are doing now.

[CITIZEN_2015]

Islamic republic media reported yesterday of gathering of some regime mercenaries  who are daily engaged in killing of Iranian citizens including women and children. They carried Palestinian flags celebrating Hamas's brutal attack on defenseless Israeli civilians.

But today Another courageous scenes by Iranian fans. Iranians in a soccer match asked the supreme leader, Ali Khamenei to shove Palestinian flag up his ass. Shouts of death to Palestine and yes to Iran and no to Gaza were also heard.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12609719/Moment-courageous-Iranian-football-fans-tell-pro-Palestine-supporters-flag-shove-attempt-regime-backers-rally-Hamas-football-match.html

Iranians who are Persians and not Arabs and who are victims of Arab invasion 1400 years ago when a barbaric culture was imposed on them are in good majority supporter of Israel and see themselves alongside the Israelis. Not so the hated murderous regime who are bunch of Arab lover occupiers who are keeping the nation in poverty to send money to Hamas and Hezbolah terrorists.

This piece is from Jewish Journal:

There is no one, NO ONE who stands with us like the people of Iran! Thank you!

https://www.thejc.com/news/world/shove-that-palestinian-flag-up-your-a-iranian-football-fans-reject-irgcs-attempt-to-rally-support-6uMPk9frZ1WVjIkWeuPj9c

WOMAN LIFE FREEDOM

Edited October 9, 2023 by CITIZEN_2015

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Yes what you say is unfortunately true but they can at least minimize civilian casualties by ground invasion and targeted killing rather than indiscriminate random bombing of civilian population as they are doing now.

It's not indiscriminate bombing, each target is where terrorist where or are hiding...they are military targets, yes civilians are being killed in these bombings, but they are collateral damage. Hamas choose to hide among the population, this is on them...This is war....there are very few rules, protection of civilian populations are considered in planning strike packages, but they are not absolute, if the target warrants it, then it's bombs away...

And lets be honest, both sides are bent on killing, nothing more, you would need to be nuts to hide or stick around anything that is Hamas unless you want to die...

you seen the videos of the mass killings, slaughtered Israelis civilians lying on the roads, or the music fest where well over 200 plus were killed not counting those killed on the side of the roads...now if you were there and seen that carnage do you think your going to be concerned with civilian population...

Bombings are actually going to be more precise than the ground campaign, missiles or even dumb bombs are very accurate today, and nobody does the air operations better than Israel... ground operations are going to be slow, and full of ambushes, which is going to draw massive and over whelming fire from helos, arty and tanks...anyone caught in that at ground level is going to die...terrorist, and civilians alike...

Like i said this war has not even started yet, once ground operations get going it's going to be a blood bath...and it is going to last until Israel decides to stop...

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

 

There is no one, NO ONE who stands with us like the people of Iran! Thank you!

https://www.thejc.com/news/world/shove-that-palestinian-flag-up-your-a-iranian-football-fans-reject-irgcs-attempt-to-rally-support-6uMPk9frZ1WVjIkWeuPj9c

WOMAN LIFE FREEDOM

we will see how much support they have from Iran once Israel takes military action on them....

[CITIZEN_2015]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

we will see how much support they have from Iran once Israel takes military action on them....

Again please do not mix up Islamic Republic with Iran. Hamas has no support from Iran but is financially and militarily supported by Islamic republic which like Hamas are a bunch of terrorists taken the nation of Iran hostage.

Hamas in one leg of the Octopus. The  other legs are Hezbollah, Shiite fighters in Iraq, Syria, Yemen,  etc. The head of this octopus is the Islamic republic regime in Iran. Israel and the West must cut the head of this octopus. Until they do they won't be a peace ib Israel or anywhere in the world.

Edited October 9, 2023 by CITIZEN_2015

[Aristides]

Western military intervention in the Middle East since the first Gulf War has been a disaster, breeding groups like ISIS.

[BeaverFever]

On 10/7/2023 at 9:25 AM, Nationalist said:

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/world-reacts-surprise-attack-by-hamas-israel-2023-10-07/

My solution. Level Gaza.!

Wait on the Ukraine thread you claimed to be a pacifist who only wants peace and call everyone else a warmonger. Hypocrite much?

[BeaverFever]

It’s becoming increasingly clear that the attack was supported by Iran. Hamas belongs to the “Axis of Resistance” an unofficial alliance of groups sponsored by Iran that includes Houthis in Yemen, Hezbollah in Lebanon, and multiple Iraqi and Syrian militias. 
 

The main reason for the surprise attack is likely because Saudi Arabia is currently in the process of officially normalizing relations with Israel under the guidance of the Biden administration. This would have been bad news for Hamas and Iran who are clearly trying to sabotage that arrangement. Hamas is not Palestine as a whole , it is a political faction within Palestine and not even a popular one amongst Palestinians at that however it does have a solid grip on power within the walls of Gaza. 
 

Also as we see here, our resident official pro-Kremlin propagandists have returned this time cheering on Hamas. Groups like Hamas have been long-time friends of Russia and their friendship has been strengthened vis-a-vis mutual allies such as Iran and Syria. Instability in the middle east - or anywhere in the world except Europe really- helps divert western resources from Russia’s failing invasion of Ukraine. 

Edited October 10, 2023 by BeaverFever

[sharkman]

Two things.

One, 6 billion dollars.  That’s the amount that Biden gave Iran 2 weeks ago, so Biden and his handlers may have even had a hand in this attack.  My question is, what is their end game?

Second, Hezbollah.  I wouldn’t be surprised if Hezbollah either was also involved in this directly, or will soon jump into the fray.  The hatred of Israel and Jews is going to be the end of groups like this.  I can’t believe they are stupid enough to poke the bear, as it were, and then dance in the street over it.  

[BeaverFever]

1 minute ago, sharkman said:

One, 6 billion dollars.  That’s the amount that Biden gave Iran 2 weeks ago, so Biden and his handlers may have even had a hand in this attack.  

You say the most ridiculous things. Why would Biden be a part of this?
 

For the record, the $6Bn of Iranian funds recently unfrozen by US was part of a deal to return 5 US prisoners held in Iran and is completely unrelated to this attack. Iran does not even receive the money, it is held snd controlled by a third party trustee outside of Iran and can only be used for purchases of humanitarian items such as food etc. 

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

For the record, the $6Bn of Iranian funds recently unfrozen by US was part of a deal to return 5 US prisoners held in Iran and is completely unrelated to this attack.

Few things in the world of mid east poltiics are unrelated.  Iran is funding the attacks at least in part, there's little doubt giving them cash aids that. Money is fungible.  Knowing they've got cash coming in from xxxx means they're free to spend money today on yyyy.

I don't think it's fair to say biden is somehow has direct responsibility in these attacks in any way, but there's little doubt his policies and actions are opening the door for bad actors to act badly.

[BeaverFever]

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Few things in the world of mid east poltiics are unrelated.  Iran is funding the attacks at least in part, there's little doubt giving them cash aids that. Money is fungible.  Knowing they've got cash coming in from xxxx means they're free to spend money today on yyyy.

I don't think it's fair to say biden is somehow has direct responsibility in these attacks in any way, but there's little doubt his policies and actions are opening the door for bad actors to act badly.

I don’t think this attack happened because Iran realized it realized it will soon have an extra $6bn in overall purchasing power   I don’t think Palestinian gunmen on motorcycles cost that much. 
 

As for Biden’s actions and America’s enemies, well we know that if he adopts a strong posture he will be accused of provoking them and escalating tensions and if he adopts a soft posture he will be accused of encouraging and emboldening them by showing weakness. So no matter what he does or doesn’t do the Right will blame him. A normalized Saudi-Israeli relationship could be a his legacy and a big game-changer in some ME power dynamics (although Saudi and Israel have been secret ad-hoc partners for decades including colluding with Pakistan and USA to arm the Taliban and pre-Taliban going back to the 80s). 

[sharkman]

39 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

You say the most ridiculous things. Why would Biden be a part of this?
 

For the record, the $6Bn of Iranian funds recently unfrozen by US was part of a deal to return 5 US prisoners held in Iran and is completely unrelated to this attack. Iran does not even receive the money, it is held snd controlled by a third party trustee outside of Iran and can only be used for purchases of humanitarian items such as food etc. 

And if you believe the official story line, then that money and the third party trustee are all acting in good faith.  But after seeing Biden’s seedy involvement in Ukraine and Burisma, I simply don’t trust the man.  They may want hostilities around Israel so as to then push the two state solution on Israel.

Edit:  I could be more clear on my Biden opinion, I believe he has very little to do with his administration directly as his mental faculties continue to decline.  I’m really referring to whomever is pulling the strings, running his administration.  And the left wing solution is typically a two state solution.

Edited October 10, 2023 by sharkman

[Army Guy]

3 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Again please do not mix up Islamic Republic with Iran. Hamas has no support from Iran but is financially and militarily supported by Islamic republic which like Hamas are a bunch of terrorists taken the nation of Iran hostage.

Hamas in one leg of the Octopus. The  other legs are Hezbollah, Shiite fighters in Iraq, Syria, Yemen,  etc. The head of this octopus is the Islamic republic regime in Iran. Israel and the West must cut the head of this octopus. Until they do they won't be a peace ib Israel or anywhere in the world.

Iran and the Islamic republic are one and the same....They control the country, just like Hamas runs Palestine, they control the government , the military, and the terrorist cells...Israel will be coming, there is no doubt about that....and Iranians will end up paying the cost of what their government does...

[BeaverFever]

20 minutes ago, sharkman said:

And if you believe the official story line, then that money and the third party trustee are all acting in good faith.  But after seeing Biden’s seedy involvement in Ukraine and Burisma, I simply don’t trust the man.  They may want hostilities around Israel so as to then push the two state solution on Israel.

That is a ridiculous and absurd statement and not supported by anything logical or factual. On any level. 

Edited October 10, 2023 by BeaverFever

[CITIZEN_2015]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

Western military intervention in the Middle East since the first Gulf War has been a disaster, breeding groups like ISIS.

No not military intervention. There are many other ways to topple evil regime. The only way for peace and security in mid east and the world is to CUT THE HEAD OF OCTOPUS, THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC. Its legs will die all over the world.

To start with, do not feed the regime, Last month Biden administration released 6 billion dollars to the regime. The Islamic regime will use this money to oppress its oppressed nation more and crash the Woman Life Freedom revolution which is in progress in Iran since last year.

Second, block Iran's oil export by closing the strait of Hormuz, Use nuclear submarines if they have to , in order to torpedo Iranian ships or any ship carrying Iranian oil.

Third, Provide free internet access to all Iranians inside Iran so that the regime can no longer block internet and suppress revolution.

Fourth, Break off all diplomatic and economic relations with Islamic republic. Dismiss all ambassadors and close Iranian embassies in the west like Canada did, Elect a conservative government in Canada to declare IRGC as terrorist organization.

Fifth, support Iranian opposition groups to overthrow with the help of Iranian people this evil regime.

Sixth, Support Iran nation not the terrorist Islamic regime. Do not bet on the losing horse.

Seventh, Kick Biden and Trudeau out of office.

Eighth, Add IRGC to the list of terrorist organizations so that they are cut off economically and cannot feed Hamas or suppress Iran nation.

Edited October 10, 2023 by CITIZEN_2015

[CITIZEN_2015]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

You say the most ridiculous things. Why would Biden be a part of this?
 

For the record, the $6Bn of Iranian funds recently unfrozen by US was part of a deal to return 5 US prisoners held in Iran and is completely unrelated to this attack. Iran does not even receive the money, it is held snd controlled by a third party trustee outside of Iran and can only be used for purchases of humanitarian items such as food etc. 

You are so naive. They use this money to prop up terrorist organizations all over the world, Hamas included. Do you think they will use this to buy food and medicine for poor Iranians? They purposely keep their nation in poverty because hungry people don't demand freedom and democracy.

Do not deal with the devil. If you deal with the devil then you suffer the consequences. So far 13 US citizens confirmed dead.

Help Iranian opposition to overthrow this evil regime. Cut the head of the Octopus which is the Islamic republic and the legs which are Hamas, Hezbollah, Shiite terrorists in Syria, Yemen, Iraq, Lebanon will die too.

Edited October 10, 2023 by CITIZEN_2015

[sharkman]

9 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

That is a ridiculous and absurd statement and not supported by anything logical or factual. 

Your naivety is that you believe all of the facts are being presented.  Until you understand that there is a global power struggle going on even though your MSM propaganda hasn’t said so, you will continue to make Judgments based on incomplete info.  And what does that make you?  No better than anyone else though you are really confident about it.

[CITIZEN_2015]

 The next Prime Minister of Canada has understood who is really behind this brutal attack and has a plan to deal with the devil.

 

Edited October 10, 2023 by CITIZEN_2015

[BeaverFever]

35 minutes ago, sharkman said:

Your naivety is that you believe all of the facts are being presented.  Until you understand that there is a global power struggle going on even though your MSM propaganda hasn’t said so, you will continue to make Judgments based on incomplete info.  And what does that make you?  No better than anyone else though you are really confident about it.

Everyone makes judgments bases on incomplete info as 100% info is never attainable. You are making judgments based on ZERO info. Judhments that don’t even make sense logically. There are 10,000 reasons why this attack is the absolute LAST thing Biden needs or wants right now with everything else that is going on in the world. But your baseless speculation that he randomly decided to mastermind this attack out of the blue just because that’s the kind of evil person he is outrageously absurd. And your suggestion that it somehow helps push a 2-state solution is also ridiculous.  If anything it makes any solution or compromise impossible. The only people who benefit from this attack are people who want to preserve the ongoing state of forever-war, and those people are the conservative wings of the Palestinian, Israeli, Iranian and US governments. . 

Edited October 10, 2023 by BeaverFever

[eyeball]

11 hours ago, ironstone said:

However, what is to be done with the usual Hamas tactic of using their own citizens as human shields?

Give their shields the lands and space they need to spread out and place themselves at a safer distance.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

 The next Prime Minister of Canada has understood who is really behind this brutal attack and has a plan to deal with the devil.

 

Wow. Well...  he wasn't vague was he

 So - personally i do prefer a slightly more neutral stance from the gov't, not because i side with palestine at all, i actually have limiited sympathy for them or what's about to happen to them -  but because we have palestinians  and jews living in canada and it's best if the gov't doesn't take a side and instead calms the waters here at home and makes sure the conflict doesn't spill over into our lands.

Having said that - it is nice to see a politician take an unequivocal stand and speak out against evil acts and orgs. He doesn't leave a lot of room for doubt as to where HMLO stands on the matter