PIK Posted September 24, 2023 Report Share Posted September 24, 2023 Ukraine was under both soviet and nazi rule, and my understanding the ones that lived were treated better by the nazis. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted September 24, 2023 Report Share Posted September 24, 2023 Stalin's gulags were probably more massive than Nazi's. He eliminated his countrymen and of those he occupied in countless droves. A true irony (and travesty) of history is that one of the thugs ended up on the winning side. And we're still trying to sort out the consequences. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted September 25, 2023 Report Share Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) If Zelinskyy is hanging out with the nazis, why are we sending him aid? Gotta be about 100-0 for the conspiracy theorists by now Edited September 25, 2023 by West Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted September 25, 2023 Report Share Posted September 25, 2023 1 hour ago, myata said: Stalin's gulags were probably more massive than Nazi's. He eliminated his countrymen and of those he occupied in countless droves. A true irony (and travesty) of history is that one of the thugs ended up on the winning side. And we're still trying to sort out the consequences. Another travesty is how fervently people are associated with these monstrosities today. Is it a consequence, ironic or hilarious how interchangeably they get associated? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted September 25, 2023 Report Share Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, Aristides said: If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil And if Stalin, Putin any other murderous, brutal tyrant dictator, of the bunch? Western "pragmatism" may be creating future problems faster than fixing the immediate ones. Edited September 25, 2023 by myata Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted September 25, 2023 Report Share Posted September 25, 2023 22 hours ago, myata said: Then (if you are saying that you mean) you have to be opposing Putin's aggression, that is causing all of the death and destruction? And then, you will have to admit that the only way to stop it (death and destruction) is to defeat Russia's aggression, simply because he did not and wouldn't stop it any other way. You are opposing Putin's aggression: check? You agree that the normal and sane world has to defeat Putin: check? Question: How do you propose Ukraine defeat Russia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted September 25, 2023 Report Share Posted September 25, 2023 9 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Ukraine defeat Russia? One can observe the process in real-time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted September 25, 2023 Report Share Posted September 25, 2023 What's ruining everything is people losing their poop over stuff that happened 80 yrs ago and also having no understanding of went on back then. It's getting frigging tiresome. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted September 25, 2023 Report Share Posted September 25, 2023 14 minutes ago, myata said: One can observe the process in real-time. I see the process. It's going nowhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted September 25, 2023 Report Share Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Nationalist said: It's going nowhere. Russia's Black Sea Fleet commander plus over 30 top naval officers in the most recent strike. To be continued, of course. Edited September 25, 2023 by myata Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted September 25, 2023 Report Share Posted September 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, myata said: Russia's Black Sea Fleet commander plus over 30 top naval officers in the most recent strike. To be continued, of course. Uhmmm...and? Is this the great counter offensive? 2 damaged boats and 30 dead Russians? OK...the war is over. 2 damaged boats and 30 dead Russians. Pack it in Russian military. The Ukrainians obviously are going to win. Pfft... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted September 25, 2023 Report Share Posted September 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, Nationalist said: The Ukrainians obviously are going to win. Not "Ukrainians": the normal world. One has to be triple: blind; deaf; and dumb to not see it. Obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted September 25, 2023 Report Share Posted September 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, myata said: Not "Ukrainians": the normal world. One has to be triple: blind; deaf; and dumb to not see it. Obviously. The normal world? Is that the world where blowing up gas pipelines is OK with NATO? Where lobbing munitions at a nuclear plant is OK? myata...this was over before it started. Without NATO soldiers, Ukraine hasn't got a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted September 25, 2023 Report Share Posted September 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, Nationalist said: The normal world? OK, we're in different universes of the meaning of "normal". In yours, Putin, Stalin and Hitler are normal, all. I don't think there's any common ground here. Not even a clue what it could be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted September 25, 2023 Report Share Posted September 25, 2023 11 minutes ago, myata said: OK, we're in different universes of the meaning of "normal". In yours, Putin, Stalin and Hitler are normal, all. I don't think there's any common ground here. Not even a clue what it could be. Interesting assumptions. Nice sound-bytes. Completely false but...its all you got...isn't it. You Libbies...its amazing how easily you lie and cheat. Tell me, oh thou of low respect for yourself, how do you figure Ukraine can win a war with Russia without enough soldiers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted September 25, 2023 Report Share Posted September 25, 2023 14 hours ago, West said: If Zelinskyy is hanging out with the nazis, why are we sending him aid? Gotta be about 100-0 for the conspiracy theorists by now Zelenskyy didn't invite this guy. In this case I agree with with the Russian representative who said this was very sloppy work by whoever let it get happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted September 25, 2023 Report Share Posted September 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: how do you figure Ukraine can win a war with Russia It'll work, as long as normal people stay their course and don't listen and give in to squeaks and ramblings. Just as it worked last time. Tongues and throats don't usually make positive things happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted September 25, 2023 Report Share Posted September 25, 2023 1 minute ago, myata said: It'll work, as long as normal people stay their course and don't listen and give in to squeaks and ramblings. Just as it worked last time. Tongues and throats don't usually make positive things happen. This means absolutely nothing. What the hell are you talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted September 25, 2023 Report Share Posted September 25, 2023 32 minutes ago, Aristides said: I agree with with the Russian representative No, one cannot agree with the Hitler's representatives. They are away and beyond the normal people's plane of discussion, agreements and disagreements. Just now, Nationalist said: What the hell are you talking about? You will see. The condition is clear: those who can think and act should stay their course and make the necessary, the only possible in the sane world outcome happen. Just like the last time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted September 25, 2023 Report Share Posted September 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, myata said: You will see. The condition is clear: those who can think and act should stay their course and make the necessary, the only possible in the sane world outcome happen. Just like the last time. So you're saying it is so important that Russia be beat back out of the eastern region, that NATO soldiers are justified? Is that what you're saying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted September 25, 2023 Report Share Posted September 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, Nationalist said: it is so important that Russia be beat back out of the eastern region It is important and in fact, the only possible outcome for the sane world that a brutal, unlawful aggression is defeated and its masterminds and perpetrators are brought to justice. It cannot happen any other way, in the normal, sane world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted September 25, 2023 Report Share Posted September 25, 2023 47 minutes ago, Aristides said: Zelenskyy didn't invite this guy. In this case I agree with with the Russian representative who said this was very sloppy work by whoever let it get happen. He came with Zelinskyy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted September 25, 2023 Report Share Posted September 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, myata said: It is important and in fact, the only possible outcome for the sane world that a brutal, unlawful aggression is defeated and its masterminds and perpetrators are brought to justice. It cannot happen any other way, in the normal, sane world. I See. Remember this? So tell me...has Powel been "brought to justice" yet? How about Bush? Is he in jail for levelling Baghdad for no reason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted September 25, 2023 Report Share Posted September 25, 2023 19 hours ago, Army Guy said: "If" he was a member of the 14 th SS div. Then The Nuremburg trails condemned the entire SS organization of the Germany military was a pronounced Criminals...not veterans, not soldiers but criminals... the fact that these men were allowed into Canada does not make their crimes any less. Another note Most German soldiers that were identified as SS were normally shot on site by allied soldiers ... How does this man deserve any better treatment ? Certainly not honored in our parliament...But this seems to be common Liberal party practice to honor the unwanted with out even a security check...including inviting terrorists into Parliament. 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Galician) - Wikipedia The foreign divisions in the Waffen SS numbered close to half a million. This is how the Germans integrated foreign volunteers, who mostly just wanted to oppose Bolshevism. In the case of the Ukrainians, they'd been mistreated and terrorized by the Russians for generations, and were fighting against that. The division in question was never charged at Nuremberg, and a Canadian commission concluded in 1986 that the whole group couldn't be criminally indicted - membership in it didn't justify prosecution or even implicate criminality. The way the news has covered this story is as if the guy was an SS police officer rounding up Jews or something, and that everyone was cheering for a war criminal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted September 25, 2023 Report Share Posted September 25, 2023 28 minutes ago, West said: He came with Zelinskyy He lives in North Bay and was invited by the speaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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