Vikek and Truth or Consequences

[WestCanMan]

On 8/19/2023 at 9:33 AM, Hodad said:

Ramaswamy is a rich kook with no political knowledge or experience. Gee, that sounds like a familiar recipe for disaster.

The world was a global dumpster fire when Trump went into the WH.

He addressed trade issues with China, the danger of off-shoring all of our medicines and technology, underspending among NATO partners, virtually decapitated terrorism, massacred islamic state, there were no new wars started in Europe, and for the first time since carter America didn't start any wars, etc.

Biden is a career politician who basically had entry-level jobs before that. IIRC he was a lawyer for 1 yr?

In his 3 yrs as president that 6-decade politician has weaponized the FBI and DOJ, committed a terrorist act against Russia and Germany, a major war sprouted in Europe, he masterminded the debacle of Afghanistan, America experienced massive inflation (he lied about the existence of it, thinking that he could fool an entire country), and the country is more divided than at any other point since the civil war. 

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But we don't have to worry about him. Republicans are who they are. They aren't going to nominate a brown man who won't even pretend to believe in Jesus.

I'm as atheist as anyone and I'm conservative. I don't believe in God, I don't have any memories of ever believing in Santa, and I don't believe in the cults of Trudeau, Biden or covid either. 

I don't think you'll find a single conservative who can't name at least 20 "brown people" who they'd vote for ahead of Biden.

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

Politicians are rich kooks with political experience. I don't see what makes one better than the other. 

Now, if we are talking competence levels, you have a point. 

Eluding to Donald Trump in this conversation, makes absolutely no sense. He is incredibly incompetent and narssisstic. 

His saving grace in politics, is he could fight with the most high conflict head of state, and get concessions to avoid further headaches. I mean, he even got Kim Jong Un softening his stance. 

This ultimately was his down fall. You need to be effective at networking in politics. This means also getting along with people you don't agree with.

Vivek is good at both. 

Looking at titles isn't as important as looking at competences for the job. Emotional intelligence, IQ.

Am speaking as an employer.

No, the majority of politicians are neither rich nor kooks. Or at least they weren't traditionally kooks. The Republican base started rewarding insane conspiracy thinking over the last couple of decades, so we've seen a considerable uptick. There has always been political fighting, and sometimes it has been dirty fighting, but it has never been by fundamentally attacking faith in the country.

Think back. Newt Gingrich and Mitch McConnell played dirty as hell--full contact politics. But neither of them ever tried to win by sowing wholesale mistrust of American and its institutions. That's change--and dramatically so--with Trump. 

Trump told people that they can't trust the Democrats, they can't trust the Republicans, they can't trust the government, they can't trust the courts, they can't trust the media, they can't trust science, they can't trust our law enforcement agencies, they can't trust schools--and indeed, the only one they CAN trust is Trump. And they bought in. At this point they trust Trump (a pathological liar) more than they trust their own friends and family. <-- That's not an exaggeration, it's polling data.

That's how far we've fallen. And most of the Republicans running in the primary are tapping into that same toxic, fundamental undermining of faith in all American institutions. 
 

Ramaswamy is among the worst. 9/11 an inside job? Jan 6 insurrection by govt. plants? COVID planned by our agencies? -- Ah, of course, he's "just asking!"

It's going completely in the wrong direction. We will never heal as a country that way. You can't heal without at least a shared reality. That whole line of thinking only ends with a charismatic authoritarian dictator. If you can't trust anyone other than the latest savior, that's what inevitably happens.

[Perspektiv]

30 minutes ago, Hodad said:

No, the majority of politicians are neither rich nor kooks.

What about US presidents, which is what we are discussing, or those running for office for the last generation or two, to keep things relevant?

32 minutes ago, Hodad said:

The Republican base started rewarding insane conspiracy thinking

The left isn't much better with its insane gender ideology and victimhood Olympics, trying to keep you dependent on them because they "care".

34 minutes ago, Hodad said:

so--with Trump. 

Not sure how he sizes up to Ramaswamy.

36 minutes ago, Hodad said:

We will never heal as a country that way. 

The far left is just as dangerous as the far right.

 

[Nationalist]

6 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

The far left is just as dangerous as the far right.

 

Much more so I would say.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I don't think you'll find a single conservative who can't name at least 20 "brown people" who they'd vote for ahead of Biden.

Hell a black woman took second place in our leadership race time before last   When have the libs in Canada ever put up a black woman? Or a brown man.

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

What about US presidents, which is what we are discussing, or those running for office for the last generation or two, to keep things relevant?

The left isn't much better with its insane gender ideology and victimhood Olympics, trying to keep you dependent on them because they "care".

Not sure how he sizes up to Ramaswamy.

The far left is just as dangerous as the far right.

 

Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Barack Obama and Joe Biden were not particularly wealthy when they ran for President. Most made money after leaving the White House, particularly Al Gore. But they all got book deals and made some good money after leaving office.  
 

They all filed financial disclosure forms and released their tax records so you can see for yourself.  

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And? The water still comes from the ice. Not the sea. 

Ice floating is PART OF THE SEA. Esp the glaciers flowing into it. Duh

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

The far left is just as dangerous as the far right.

 

There is no far left in power today. Sanders ran a couple of times and failed.

[Rebound]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And? The water still comes from the ice. Not the sea. 

And you're still drooling    Does having to think about this stuff make you drool like a zombie'?

Thanks for demonstrating you don't know how english works LOLOL

 

Antarctica is a CONTINENT. A very large one. Greenland is a LAND MASS. 
So when the 10,000’s year old, mile-thick glaciers MELT, they turn into… WATER. And that water flows into the ocean, which becomes… deeper.  
 

See it now? Melting glaciers increase sea level because glaciers are not the same thing as icebergs.  
 

In January of this year, a glacier the size of New York City broke off of Antarctica and fell into the sea.  As you correctly surmise, this block of ice does not need to melt to raise the world’s sea level. Iceberg or water, it displaces the same amount. 

Edited August 24, 2023 by Rebound

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

What about US presidents, which is what we are discussing, or those running for office for the last generation or two, to keep things relevant?

 

Trump is the first of his kind. Have you forgotten already, how absurd the premise of a Trump presidency was from day 1? Every week he did something disqualifying. Every primary opponent thought him wholly unfit and said so. There is a reason we wore out the word "unprecedented" during his campaign and presidency. 

You can take shots at McCain, Romney, Obama and Clinton and Biden-- or back to Bush and Bill Clinton and Al Gore. There is nothing like Trump in our history. None of them engaged in that kind of behavior. Whether you think they were they held the right policy positions or not, none of them went around saying crazy conspiracy shit, courting the Q-Anon crowd or fundamentally undermining every American institution. The contrast is stark.

In terms of Money, McCain, Obama, Gore and Bill Clinton were not Rich, though they made money on books and speeches during and after their time in high office. Hillary and Biden had post-office book and speaking money as candidates, but a sort of pedestrian version of new-money rich--not that much and not for very long. Really Romney, Bush and Trump are the super rich with family money.

We've had one rich dummy (Bush) but the only rich kook is Trump.  

 

It's bad, to the point that even faithful Republicans -- even core, powerful Republicans -- are vilified simply for disagreeing with Trump. Raffensperger is getting death threats because he didn't "find" votes for Trump. Mitch McConnell -- a ruthlessly effectice Republican leader of very long standing -- is called a RINO because he disapproves of Trumps bogus election claims. Anybody who opposes Trump is automatically a bad guy, no matter how minor or justified.

This is an analysis worth reading in full. Why Republican voters believe Trump 

 

 

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The far left is just as dangerous as the far right.

This idea of any substantial "far left" in the United states is really silly. It just doesn't exist at any significant scale. Democrats are overwhelmingly moderate and would be conservative in most countries. We don't even have an active communist party. A communist candidate for POTUS has never gotten more than .3% of the vote and there hasn't even been a communist candidate since 1984. Even Bernie isn't a radical socialist, and he couldn't win the nomination. 

Let's not try to compare the nonexistent "far left" to a party that is doing its damndest to re-nominate a man who tried to end the republic by seizing power in a multi-faceted coup after losing the last election. 

^^It's not that they just made a mistake and didn't realize how awful Trump would be. They saw what he did, and they want more of it. 

 

Edited August 23, 2023 by Hodad

[CdnFox]

38 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Ice floating is PART OF THE SEA. Esp the glaciers flowing into it. Duh

No, it's ice.  That's why they don't call them "Seabergs". 

And glaciers aren't even in the sea.

It's impressive - you find new ways to be stupid every day

Edited August 23, 2023 by CdnFox

[impartialobserver]

Do you know another aspect of human nature that this guy is fighting? We do not like concise, succinct, objective data. Nope. We want strong, passionate, flawed, adamant, bold opinions. ESPN Radio did an experiment. For one week, their shows were centered about box scores, play calling, statistics, x's and o's. Ratings plummeted. The next week.. they flipped the script and now it was all opinions with no breaking down play calling, no analytics, and such.. what happens? Ratings went back up. I see it at my job. The more concise you get.. the more glazed over the audience becomes. Now.. spice it up with some subjective opinions (which open you up to scrutiny) and the questions come in fast and high. 

[CdnFox]

40 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Antarctica is a CONTINENT. A very large one. Greenland is a LAND MASS.

So... not seas. 

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o when the 10,000’s year old, mile-thick glaciers MELT, they turn into… WATER.

 

So when frozen water on land turns into not frozen waters not on land and enter the sea, they become part of the sea.

So - the excess water comes from the ice. Which flows into the sea

Yeah - that's what i said.

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In January of this year, a glacier the size of New York City broke off of Antarctica and fell into the sea.  

That's nice - but it's still not the sea.  Any rise in water would still come from ice - not the sea. THe sea is salty - the ice is not. that's a give away right there

 

So - the excess water comes from... ice.

LOL - rarely have i seen someone make such an effort to look like an !diot as you

Edited August 23, 2023 by CdnFox

[Perspektiv]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Much more so I would say.

Call me crazy, but as a black male I would rather be judged for my skin color, than to be told that gender no longer exists. 

That wearing a dress and a wig, automatically makes me a woman. Just me thinking so.

I would approach a KKK member on some: "finally, someone rational!" (considering they feel we are all bad based on ignorance--the latter believe in their core that facts must be altered to mirror their perceived reality) after talking to someone like that.

Edited August 23, 2023 by Perspektiv

[Perspektiv]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

We've had one rich dummy (Bush) but the only rich kook is Trump. 

Wasn't he bankrupt? 

He is "so called" worth "billions".

I think he just knows how to play the tax system. I don't see the harm in sticking it to the man if you know how.

 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

Call me crazy, but as a black male I would rather be judged for my skin color, than to be told that gender no longer exists. 

That wearing a dress and a wig, automatically makes me a woman. Just me thinking so.

I would approach a KKK member on some: "finally, someone rational!" (considering they feel we are all bad based on ignorance--the latter believe in their core that facts must be altered to mirror their perceived reality) after talking to someone like that.

Meh...it would be nice if we could just drop the skin colour thing. Perhaps reserve judgements for after we know what sort of person we're dealing with. But the Libbies can't let that happen. Its one of their main weapons. So much for "compassion".

I find real trannies and the gender benders mostly amusing. I would not think more of them or their life style but again...the Libbies can't let that happen either.

I sometimes wonder...is the point of all their madness to invoke more madness? To create confusion and chaos?

The spirit of Azathoth.

[West]

You can tell the loonies like Chris the whale Christie, Hailey and Pence are trying to eliminate the outsiders. They like the system broken and corrupt. It's why they go after Vivek. 

I'm not a fan of vivek mostly because he believes on gods that aren't real. Still appreciated how he calmly owned big Chris and judas Mike tonight

[robosmith]

7 hours ago, Rebound said:

Antarctica is a CONTINENT. A very large one. Greenland is a LAND MASS. 
So when the 10,000’s year old, mile-thick glaciers MELT, they turn into… WATER. And that water flows into the ocean, which becomes… deeper.  
 

See it now? Melting glaciers increase sea level because glaciers are not the same thing as icebergs.  
 

In January of this year, a glacier the size of New York City broke off of Antarctica and fell into the sea.  As you correctly surmise, this block of ice does not need to melt to raise the world’s sea level. Iceberg or water, it displaces the same amount. 

Most glaciers that break off were already floating on the sea before breaking off. Essentially they are Icebergs that are still attached to the rest of the glacier.

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

No, it's ice.  That's why they don't call them "Seabergs". 

And glaciers aren't even in the sea.

It's impressive - you find new ways to be stupid every day

No that would be your fantasy of believing you know far more than you do.

Dunning Kruger at work but mostly just you being LAZY.

Glaciers flow into the sea and are often floating on it before breaking off.

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So... not seas. 

 

So when frozen water on land turns into not frozen waters not on land and enter the sea, they become part of the sea.

So - the excess water comes from the ice. Which flows into the sea

Yeah - that's what i said.

That's nice - but it's still not the sea.  Any rise in water would still come from ice - not the sea. THe sea is salty - the ice is not. that's a give away right there

 

So - the excess water comes from... ice.

LOL - rarely have i seen someone make such an effort to look like an !diot as you

I see that in you all the time; because you never do research and just post YOUR GUESSES.

[Rebound]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

Most glaciers that break off were already floating on the sea before breaking off. Essentially they are Icebergs that are still attached to the rest of the glacier.

Ok, but even so, according to NASA:

”Antarctica is losing ice mass (melting) at an average rate of about 150 billion tons per year, and Greenland is losing about 270 billion tons per year, adding to sea level rise… the ice sheets of Greenland and Antarctica store about two-thirds of all the fresh water on Earth. They are losing ice due to the ongoing warming of Earth’s surface and ocean. Meltwater coming from these ice sheets is responsible for about one-third of the global average rise in sea level since 1993.“

And that’s my point. 

Edited August 24, 2023 by Rebound

[Nationalist]

Looks like Vivek did extremely well last night. 

[Hodad]

8 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Looks like Vivek did extremely well last night. 

If you're into energetic but empty rhetoric and unrealistic proposals, he hit a home run!

Nikki Haley is absolutely the candidate Republicans need to come back from the brink. She is the only one who is going to garner support from independents in a general. The rest are still chasing MAGA votes even as they back away from Trump.

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, Hodad said:

If you're into energetic but empty rhetoric and unrealistic proposals, he hit a home run!

Nikki Haley is absolutely the candidate Republicans need to come back from the brink. She is the only one who is going to garner support from independents in a general. The rest are still chasing MAGA votes even as they back away from Trump.

Meh...I would expect as much from a devoted Libbie.

Thanks for your opinion.

[West]

10 minutes ago, Hodad said:

If you're into energetic but empty rhetoric and unrealistic proposals, he hit a home run!

Nikki Haley is absolutely the candidate Republicans need to come back from the brink. She is the only one who is going to garner support from independents in a general. The rest are still chasing MAGA votes even as they back away from Trump.

She's as crazy as crooked Hillary 

[Nationalist]

2 minutes ago, West said:

She's as crazy as crooked Hillary 

If by "crazy" you mean that she thinks its a good thing to have the Ukes die by the hundreds of thousands, in order to satisfy her hatred...I agree.

Such a position is also very cowardly.