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10 minutes ago, blackbird said:

False.  The ocean is not the source of heating.  You again demonstrate your lack of knowledge.  Nobody would agree with that claim.  Heat requires a source of energy.  The ocean is basically just a body of H2O.  It does not produce energy and therefore does not produce heat.  It absorbs radiation from the sun which heats the ocean and releases it into the atmosphere or earth.  The main source of heat is the solar radiation mainly from the sun and some from radiation from space. 

But that has nothing at all to do with the article I posted which shows the NOAA fudges the statistics on temperature change.

We are the cause, the ocean is storing 90% of the heat, not the atmosphere.

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11 hours ago, Legato said:

A while ago the consensus among scientists was the earth is flat, those who disagreed were branded as heretics. Or was that just a theory?

not surprising that you bring up an example from when modern science was in its infancy.   Those who disagreed were branded heretics by the church.  The way forward was with better science  

The only way to improve on science is with more science.  

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3 hours ago, Aristides said:

You can’t just pick one, you have to deal with both, otherwise the conditions you have to adapt too will continually get worse. We are past the point where we ever had a choice.

If you have not noticed yet, most Canadians have already made that choice.. and it is not with climate change if it is going to cost any great amount...Thats across all political spectrums...

How do you know we have past the point where we don't have a choice ? your going to find scientists with a wide range of times, there is no one consensus in which all of them say within the next 100 years, or 1000, 10,000 years...

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41 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

The only way to improve on science is with more science.  

Unfortunately some of what is called science is not really science at all.  The theory of evolution, which has been debunked by some scientists, is still believed by many people as fact and is taught in schools as scientific fact.  There is nothing further from the truth.  Evolution has been exposed as a fraud.  There are no transitional fossils to show the transition between different species.  The claim that humans evolved from the slime in a pond or even from apes or monkeys has been shown to be false.  So more science is not necessarily going to bring mankind the truth.  There are some things that science simply can not explain or prove.  One of them is the theory of evolution and the other is the so-called man-made climate change.  They cannot be proven.  It is all speculation.

Everyone who claims man-made climate change is a fact are no different than the people that claim evolution is a fact.  They are believing that purely on speculation, not scientific fact.  It is a cult or religion to them.

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Just now, TreeBeard said:

Do you believe the universe is billions of years old?

If you’re getting your biology education from the bible, do you believe that bats are birds, as the bible says?

The Bible states that God created everything in six literal days.  That is the only interpretation that makes sense.  If you want to try to compare the Bible to what the majority of scientists say, you are making a fatal mistake because most of them do not believe the Bible.  Yet they have no rational explanation for where the universe and life came from.  But yet you want to take them as absolute truth?  Why would you do that.  As I said, they do not have the answers about some things.  You either believe in a God that revealed himself to mankind in the creation and written revelation or you don't.  

Bats fly around like birds, so it is understandable why some people thousands of years ago would give them the term birds which could have been applied to anything that flies.  

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5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Bats fly around like birds, so it is understandable why some people thousands of years ago would give them the term birds which could have been applied to anything that flies.  

Exactly!  It makes total sense for ignorant people to think that bats are birds.   But I thought it was the word of God….  How did he get it wrong?

If the bible is wrong about bats, why couldn’t it be wrong about other things?

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2 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Exactly!  It makes total sense for ignorant people to think that bats are birds.   But I thought it was the word of God….  How did he get it wrong?

If the bible is wrong about bats, why couldn’t it be wrong about other things?

That doesn't mean the Bible is wrong.  It simply means someone at that time several thousand years ago called them birds.  It proves nothing about the accuracy of the Bible.  If anything it proves the Bible records it the way it was.  Not everyone had perfect knowledge about the biology of birds and bats.

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1 minute ago, Aristides said:

Digging millions of years worth of carbon out of the ground and spewing it into the air is not natural.

Why not?  God created man and man developed the industrial age.  You think God did not know man would have the industrial age.   Why has it suddenly become wrong for man to use a natural resource such as oil or gas from the earth?  Oil and gas has made life possible on earth for billions of people and made mankind prosperous and advanced civilization.  Why would you oppose that?

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1 minute ago, blackbird said:

Why not?  God created man and man developed the industrial age.  You think God did not know man would have the industrial age.   Why has it suddenly become wrong for man to use a natural resource such as oil or gas from the earth?  Oil and gas has made life possible on earth for billions of people and made mankind prosperous and advanced civilization.  Why would you oppose that?

Well then, I guess anything man does is Gods will, including all the things you hate.

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3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Well then, I guess anything man does is Gods will, including all the things you hate.

Where did I say that?  I didn't.  Of course everything that man does is not God's will.  But the development of natural resources has made life possible and prosperous for billions of people on earth.  Why would you think that was wrong?  I don't know of anything in the Bible that says it is wrong to use fossil fuels.  Opposition to fossil fuels comes from twisted minds and environmental fanatics.  If it wasn't for fossil fuels, all these green radicals would not even be alive. 

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1 minute ago, blackbird said:

Where did I say that?  I didn't.  Of course everything that man does is not God's will.  But the development of natural resources has made life possible and prosperous for billions of people on earth.  Why would you think that was wrong?  I don't know of anything in the Bible that says it is wrong to use fossil fuels.  Opposition to fossil fuels comes from twisted minds and environmental fanatics.  If it wasn't for fossil fuels, all these green radicals would not even be alive. 

You just did, Anything that man is capable of doing must be OK because it is God's will. Even if it destroys his environment. 

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4 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You just did, Anything that man is capable of doing must be OK because it is God's will. Even if it destroys his environment. 

No I did not say that.  You imagined it.  God gave man dominion over the earth.  That dominion assumes a degree of responsible behavior.  Man should be responsible how he develops and uses natural resources.  There is nothing anywhere that says fossil fuels are bad and should not be used.  That is what environmental radical say.  I assume you are now against fossil fuels.  You have not made yourself clear.  There is no proof the use of fossil fuels is destroying the environment.

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44 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Why not?  God created man and man developed the industrial age.  You think God did not know man would have the industrial age.   Why has it suddenly become wrong for man to use a natural resource such as oil or gas from the earth?  Oil and gas has made life possible on earth for billions of people and made mankind prosperous and advanced civilization.  Why would you oppose that?

Go drink some arsenic, it’s all natural and god gave it to us to use any way we choose.

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59 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You think God did not know man would have the industrial age

God couldn't figure out that if you tell a man "now - you see that tasty fruit over there? Don't touch that" that the first thing the guy is going to want to do is go touch that.

God is clueless.

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2 hours ago, blackbird said:

That doesn't mean the Bible is wrong.  It simply means someone at that time several thousand years ago called them birds.  It proves nothing about the accuracy of the Bible.  If anything it proves the Bible records it the way it was.  Not everyone had perfect knowledge about the biology of birds and bats.

You’re right.  But shouldn’t God have known?   Don’t you believe that everything in the bible is true and it’s the word of God?  
Except the bats are birds part?  

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8 hours ago, eyeball said:

Choosing to be with the winners in the war against climate change action. You empowered the fossil fuel industry and disempowered governments in ways that the losers can only imagine.

Well there's a major part of the problem. It's not supposed to be a war.

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9 hours ago, Nationalist said:

So...the governments shut down fossil fuels actively with taxes an refusal to allow the industry to flourish, hence prices go up and you think that means the governments are not trouncing on the industry?

How interestingly ridiculous. 

Suck it up....your point is moot. LOL

There is no "trouncing" going on LOL

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