ExFlyer Posted August 27, 2023 Report Share Posted August 27, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Nationalist said: What do you figure the carbon taxes are doing? Man, you are whacked. LOL Carbon taxes are trouncing the energy industry??? The taxes costing you more money and the energy industry only passes on what it is taxed but you still buy gas LOL Trouncing?? LOL How is this for being trounced LOL https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/bakx-oil-profit-cashflow-climate-iea-1.6750496 Historic profits in oilpatch on track to continue as global oil demand set to jump yet again Edited August 27, 2023 by ExFlyer link added Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted August 27, 2023 Report Share Posted August 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Man, you are whacked. LOL Carbon taxes are trouncing the energy industry??? The taxes costing you more money and the energy industry only passes on what it is taxed but you still buy gas LOL Trouncing?? LOL That's about the dumbest thing I've read today. Congarats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted August 27, 2023 Report Share Posted August 27, 2023 7 hours ago, Aristides said: More does need to be done to mitigate risk around built up areas but the Westbank fire jumped a 4km wide lake. You can't mitigate that. Sometimes you have to take what mother nature throws at you, there is no beating mother nature when she is pissed off, but you can mitigate the damage. Not sure why so many on here is so opposed to change, and if climate change is only getting worse, we need a plan to combat that or perish in the flames...in the Army they say adapt or Die, pick one and get on with it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted August 27, 2023 Report Share Posted August 27, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Nationalist said: That's about the dumbest thing I've read today. Congarats. Once more, just for you. Trounced?? LOL Don't feel dumb, just realize you are uninformed https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/bakx-oil-profit-cashflow-climate-iea-1.6750496 Historic profits in oilpatch on track to continue as global oil demand set to jump yet again Edited August 27, 2023 by ExFlyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted August 27, 2023 Report Share Posted August 27, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Sometimes you have to take what mother nature throws at you, there is no beating mother nature when she is pissed off, but you can mitigate the damage. Not sure why so many on here is so opposed to change, and if climate change is only getting worse, we need a plan to combat that or perish in the flames...in the Army they say adapt or Die, pick one and get on with it... There are not so many, just a few and they are very adamant about it. Edited August 27, 2023 by ExFlyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted August 27, 2023 Report Share Posted August 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: Sometimes you have to take what mother nature throws at you, there is no beating mother nature when she is pissed off, but you can mitigate the damage. Not sure why so many on here is so opposed to change, and if climate change is only getting worse, we need a plan to combat that or perish in the flames...in the Army they say adapt or Die, pick one and get on with it... You can’t just pick one, you have to deal with both, otherwise the conditions you have to adapt too will continually get worse. We are past the point where we ever had a choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted August 27, 2023 Report Share Posted August 27, 2023 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: if climate change is only getting worse, we need a plan to combat that or perish in the flames. You have swallowed the great climate change nonsense, hook, line, and sinker. Man is not the cause of climate change and man can not control it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted August 27, 2023 Report Share Posted August 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, blackbird said: You have swallowed the great climate change nonsense, hook, line, and sinker. Man is not the cause of climate change and man can not control it. You are a fool, there is no other word for it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted August 27, 2023 Report Share Posted August 27, 2023 12 minutes ago, Aristides said: You are a fool, there is no other word for it. " What do we mean by fraudulent? How about this: NOAA has made repeated "adjustments" to its data, for the presumed scientific reason of making the data sets more accurate. Nothing wrong with that. Except, all their changes point to one thing — lowering previously measured temperatures to show cooler weather in the past, and raising more recent temperatures to show warming in the recent present. This creates a data illusion of ever-rising temperatures to match the increase in CO2 in the Earth's atmosphere since the mid-1800s, which global warming advocates say is a cause-and-effect relationship. The more CO2, the more warming. But the actual measured temperature record shows something different: There have been hot years and hot decades since the turn of the last century, and colder years and colder decades. But the overall measured temperature shows no clear trend over the last century, at least not one that suggests runaway warming. That is, until the NOAA's statisticians "adjust" the data. Using complex statistical models, they change the data to reflect not reality, but their underlying theories of global warming. " The Stunning Statistical Fraud Behind The Global Warming Scare | Investor's Business Daily (investors.com) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 Man-made climate change is just a big fraud. Funny how many people will believe almost anything. It is the same kind of thing as the Loch Ness monster. Many people believe in that. At one time many people believed the earth was flat too. Even today many worship Mother Earth as if it is some kind of god. Just look at how many people believe transgenderism is a natural occurrence. If you think humans are not gullible, think again. Many people are gullible about many things, including man-made climate change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 No mention of rising ocean temperatures, rapidly increasing rate to glacial and sea ice melts. Increasing sea levels. All conveniently ignored. 90% of warming is happening in the oceans, not the atmosphere. Also ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, Aristides said: No mention of rising ocean temperatures, rapidly increasing rate to glacial and sea ice melts. Increasing sea levels. All conveniently ignored. 90% of warming is happening in the oceans, not the atmosphere. Also ignored. Nobody is ignoring it. Pointless to discuss those things because they do not point to man as being the cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 Just now, blackbird said: Nobody is ignoring it. Pointless to discuss those things because they do not point to man as being the cause. That article ignores it, what do you expect when you use a business outlet as a scientific source. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Aristides said: That article ignores it, what do you expect when you use a business outlet as a scientific source. You claim the article ignores it, but nothing in what you mentioned supports the idea of climate change caused by man. The article does not deny climate change exists. How does rising ocean temperatures point to man as the cause? You are out of your league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 10 minutes ago, Aristides said: No mention of rising ocean temperatures, rapidly increasing rate to glacial and sea ice melts. Increasing sea levels. All conveniently ignored. 90% of warming is happening in the oceans, not the atmosphere. Also ignored. How much have sea levels risen? https://www.space.com/sea-level-rise-slow-down-2022 It's within the normal fluctuation so cannot be definitively blamed on global warming. Not yet. Sorry to inform you but the sky is not falling. ? ? ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 There Is No Climate Emergency, Say 500 Experts in Letter to the United Nations | American Enterprise Institute - AEI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 29 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: How much have sea levels risen? https://www.space.com/sea-level-rise-slow-down-2022 It's within the normal fluctuation so cannot be definitively blamed on global warming. Not yet. Sorry to inform you but the sky is not falling. ? ? ? https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/wmo-report-2023-1.6817900 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 43 minutes ago, blackbird said: You claim the article ignores it, but nothing in what you mentioned supports the idea of climate change caused by man. The article does not deny climate change exists. How does rising ocean temperatures point to man as the cause? You are out of your league. It does ignore it. They aren't even mentioned.I guess you would go to an accountant for a root canal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 21 minutes ago, Aristides said: It does ignore it. They aren't even mentioned.I guess you would go to an accountant for a root canal. The article I quoted is specifically about the NOAA giving misleading data. The article is not about rising ocean temperatures. You bring up something that is not directly related to the article and claim it should have been mentioned. Phony argument. Again, you are way over your head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted August 28, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 4 hours ago, Nationalist said: You're surrendering? No, I mean we're still all in this together. I admit I'm kind of looking forward to the vindication, rubbing your noses in it and watching the horror of your mistakes slowly dawn on you. Not you specifically but the right wing generally. Many of you of course will remain hard-boiled die-hards until the day you die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 (edited) 32 minutes ago, blackbird said: The article I quoted is specifically about the NOAA giving misleading data. The article is not about rising ocean temperatures. You bring up something that is not directly related to the article and claim it should have been mentioned. Phony argument. Again, you are way over your head. The NOAA data on atmosphere, it ignores every other source and the fact most of the heating is in the oceans. Your article is an editorial and also 5 years old. How many scientists do you think are on the staff of Investors Business Daily, a group that has a vested interest in the status quo? One of the sources it gives is an old study from the University of Alabama Huntsville but even the authors of that don't dispute humans are changing the climate, only the degree. Quote He added, though, that "it is scientifically inconceivable that after changing forests into cities, turning millions of acres into irrigated farmland, putting massive quantities of soot and dust into the air, and putting extra greenhouse gases into the air, that the natural course of climate has not changed in some way."[8] John Christy one of the authors. I wonder how much he has learned since 2003. You evidently have learned nothing. Edited August 28, 2023 by Aristides 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, eyeball said: I admit I'm kind of looking forward to the vindication, rubbing your noses in it and watching the horror of your mistakes slowly dawn on you. Not you specifically but the right wing generally. If you're trying to defend the left or Socialism, you are on the losing side. Leftism or Socialism is evil and devilish. It is built of on the idea of taking from those that have something and giving to those who don't. It is built on Marxism or Communism. The idea that the state knows better and can redistribute the wealth is at the core of Socialism. That's what makes it evil. It is STEALING from those that have to give to others or spread around. Theft is a very basic commandment in the Bible that is condemned and forbidden. So, there will be no vindication of leftists or Socialists (or liberals with the same ideology). They are nothing more than thieves Edited August 28, 2023 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Aristides said: it ignores every other source and the fact most of the heating is in the oceans. False. The ocean is not the source of heating. You again demonstrate your lack of knowledge. Nobody would agree with that claim. Heat requires a source of energy. The ocean is basically just a body of H2O. It does not produce energy and therefore does not produce heat. It absorbs radiation from the sun which heats the ocean and releases it into the atmosphere or earth. The main source of heat is the solar radiation mainly from the sun and some from radiation from space. But that has nothing at all to do with the article I posted which shows the NOAA fudges the statistics on temperature change. Edited August 28, 2023 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 3 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Once more, just for you. Trounced?? LOL Don't feel dumb, just realize you are uninformed https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/bakx-oil-profit-cashflow-climate-iea-1.6750496 Historic profits in oilpatch on track to continue as global oil demand set to jump yet again So...the governments shut down fossil fuels actively with taxes an refusal to allow the industry to flourish, hence prices go up and you think that means the governments are not trouncing on the industry? How interestingly ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted August 28, 2023 Report Share Posted August 28, 2023 31 minutes ago, eyeball said: No, I mean we're still all in this together. I admit I'm kind of looking forward to the vindication, rubbing your noses in it and watching the horror of your mistakes slowly dawn on you. Not you specifically but the right wing generally. Many of you of course will remain hard-boiled die-hards until the day you die. What mistakes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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