Resistance is never futile

[eyeball]

25 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

You've never gone to clean a forest have you.

I worked as a logger for 5 years and  managed a crew of 25 men doing exactly what your talking about for another 5 years.

25 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

No...I don't think you do.

I'm sitting behind the wheel getting ready to head out as we speak.

And away we go!

Edited August 26, 2023 by eyeball

[ExFlyer]

29 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

You've never gone to clean a forest have you.

 

Nope, and having flown over most forests in BC and many others in the rest of Canada during my search and rescue low level flying days, I have never seen anyone except loggers in the forests and all they do is cut trees down and the ones they don't want they leave as slash.

Never saw a person with a rake and garbage bags cleaning up the forests so, don't be so pompous and tell people that is what goes on. Yes, perhaps in small suburban parks but for sure not in the millions of square miles of forest out there.

[eyeball]

21 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Never saw a person with a rake and garbage bags cleaning up the forests so,

No it's not quite like that. Maintenance is probably the best way to put it.

Canada basically needs a dedicated full time environmental works department.

[Legato]

On 8/25/2023 at 12:25 PM, ExFlyer said:

Mother Nature managed it. How? Oh yeah, it allowed fire to go on unimpeded.

Which is what's happening today. The only difference is people decided to erect structures and mother nature doesn't give a damn

[TreeBeard]

On 8/23/2023 at 1:44 PM, Army Guy said:

but this is not an example of it

So you disagree with the scientific consensus that drier conditions due to climate change contribute to an increased risk of wildfires?   Why? 

[TreeBeard]

17 hours ago, blackbird said:

The last thing the country needs is more young people trained to be protesters and anarchists.  

Isn’t using the court system to affect change the exact opposite of protests and anarchy?

[Legato]

19 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

So you disagree with the scientific consensus that drier conditions due to climate change contribute to an increased risk of wildfires?   Why? 

The words consensus and science are diametrically opposed.

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

I worked as a logger for 5 years and  managed a crew of 25 men doing exactly what your talking about for another 5 years.

I'm sitting behind the wheel getting ready to head out as we speak.

And away we go!

Do a good job...

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Nope, and having flown over most forests in BC and many others in the rest of Canada during my search and rescue low level flying days, I have never seen anyone except loggers in the forests and all they do is cut trees down and the ones they don't want they leave as slash.

Never saw a person with a rake and garbage bags cleaning up the forests so, don't be so pompous and tell people that is what goes on. Yes, perhaps in small suburban parks but for sure not in the millions of square miles of forest out there.

Rake and garbage bags. Lol.

I'm talking about cutting out brush, cutting up dead fallen trees, and using it to heat the house all winter.

[TreeBeard]

2 hours ago, Legato said:

The words consensus and science are diametrically opposed.

So there’s not a consensus among scientists regarding the theory of evolution?  
 

I suppose next you’ll say “it’s only a theory”.  

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Rake and garbage bags. Lol.

I'm talking about cutting out brush, cutting up dead fallen trees, and using it to heat the house all winter.

Then you're talking about a vast expansion of the existing logging industry in Canada. Equipment, roads, crews.  It'll cost billions.

You're not going to recoup much from brush and dead fallen trees so we'll need to keep the carbon tax to pay for it.

[Army Guy]

14 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

The claim is not "foreign" to me. Just totally unrealistic.  Please show me where the forset service says to go clean the underbrush in all our forests.

Most of our forested area are inaccessible to start with and we certainly do not have the people, the equipment or wherewithal to even consider this.

A comment like, clean up the forest is just a throwaway phrase to make someone seem intelligent but, intelligent folks will see the foolishness of such a statement.

They are not saying clean and rake our forest floors... Forest management is much more than just cleaning up the forest floors, cutting back tree lines along major routes of evacuation, cutting back under growth along the outskirts of our cities and towns, controlled burns to get rid of the fuel already on the forest floor, or all that slag you have talked about from clear cutting.. forest management includes a wide range of measures...which have attributed more to fires than climate change...

Pointing wrongly to climate change is dangerous because cutting emissions is one of the least effective ways to help prevent future fires. Much faster, more effective and cheaper solutions include controlled fires to burn away vegetation that could otherwise result in wildfires, improving zoning and enhancing forest management.

This happens all the time in NB, power crews cut back trees from power lines, they clear major power lines and create a fire break...changing the rules and regulations on tree cutting operations could include cleaning up the slang left behind, either by burning it or using it to make paper or chips. While it might sound foolish to you we already have forest management polices in this country.

The fire in Hawaii is deeply tragic. Yet, it is lazy and unhelpful for pundits to use the tragedy to incorrectly blame climate change. They claim it was tinder-box dry , but through most of the past 23 years, Maui County was drier than the week that it burned. Hawaii’s drought is blamed on climate, but the most recent scientific study shows no climate signal.

long with temperature spikes, alarming images of forest fires share the front pages this summer. You’d easily get the sense that the planet is on fire. The reality, however, is that since NASA satellites started accurately recording fires across the entire surface of the planet two decades ago, there has been a strong downward trend. In the early 2000s, three per cent of the world’s land area burned each year. Last year, fire burned 2.2 per cent of the world’s land area, a new record low. Yet, you would struggle to find that reported anywhere.

Bjorn Lomborg: Fear-mongering over forest fires and climate change isn't rooted in reality (msn.com)

 

I posted this a few pages back guess nobody read it...interesting clip in there form NASA, that is saying last year fires actually went down....

[Army Guy]

6 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

So you disagree with the scientific consensus that drier conditions due to climate change contribute to an increased risk of wildfires?   Why? 

Lets take the Hawaii fires for instance, conditions on the ground have been hotter, and drier than this years fire in fact it has been drier the last 20 years ...and yet this fire was the worst on record, a) stupid humans playing with fire, b) very high winds over 80 KM an hour to create a fire storm of sorts..., in other words a perfect storm for a fire...high winds are normal weather in Hawaii...so is hot dry summers... 

There is not scientific consensus, NASA, forest management, and others are telling you why these fires are so bad....3/4 of them are due to human just being retards...was the conditions dry yes, was it do to climate yes, but you could say that right back to the dawn of man....we have had dry weather conditions forever, you can check on the historical records...Is it directly related to climate change ? was the massive draught in the dirty 30's climate change ?   ...And if that is correct everything weather related can now be accounted for as climate change...early snow fall, late snow fall heat waves, rain storms, hurricanes...it is out of control like covid all over again... Not everything can be blamed on climate change, but it will be used by the media and government to sling the same message...

How do you explain the fires in NS and NB, the largest in our history and yet this entire summer was our wettest...people got into the woods and committed arson.. or so says the media... climate change had nothing to do with those fires...

[Aristides]

On 8/25/2023 at 8:59 AM, Nationalist said:

Hence...you are destined to lose.

Clear the under brush. Thin the forest by cutting down trees within the forest. Allow forestry to clear-cut and re-plant.

Repeat cycle every year.

BC, has over a million sq km of forest, most of it in mountainous terrain. You better get busy.

[ExFlyer]

17 hours ago, Legato said:

Which is what's happening today. The only difference is people decided to erect structures and mother nature doesn't give a damn

Having driven coast to coast and having flown low level over much of it, I saw no structures in the forests.

Mother Nature took care of it for eons and does so now.

15 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Rake and garbage bags. Lol.

I'm talking about cutting out brush, cutting up dead fallen trees, and using it to heat the house all winter.

What house??? We are in a million acre forest LOL

[Nationalist]

11 hours ago, eyeball said:

Then you're talking about a vast expansion of the existing logging industry in Canada. Equipment, roads, crews.  It'll cost billions.

You're not going to recoup much from brush and dead fallen trees so we'll need to keep the carbon tax to pay for it.

Ahhh...the tax. That's your angle. Anything and everyone is expendable to justify that carbon tax. To justify your climate religion.

I should have known...

[Nationalist]

10 hours ago, Aristides said:

BC, has over a million sq km of forest, most of it in mountainous terrain. You better get busy.

Or...we could clean and maintain all the woods around towns and let the forestry industry take care of the rest. But that would mean putting some effort into it and it looks like you enjoy watching towns burn. It gives you an excuse to scream..

AHHH! WE ALL GONNA DIIIEEE!!!

Just faking pathetic and destructive. 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Having driven coast to coast and having flown low level over much of it, I saw no structures in the forests.

Mother Nature took care of it for eons and does so now.

What house??? We are in a million acre forest LOL

Any stupidity to justify this carbon religion. 

[Nationalist]

So I think this has gone swimmingly.

We've discovered that the climate religion makes people and towns expendable. 

Maintain the woods surrounding these towns? Not a chance. Any and every dumb excuse, to justify this madness because...the religion is all. This folks, is the climate religion and its mad diciples. They will pontificate and scream a lot. But when given options...they swing into action to try to derail any reasonable efforts.

All hail climate change. All hail pain and suffering. 

All hail the death of the sacrificed.

[Aristides]

More does need to be done to mitigate risk around built up areas but the Westbank fire jumped a 4km wide lake. You can't mitigate that.

[ExFlyer]

43 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Any stupidity to justify this carbon religion. 

WTF are you babbling about.

You and your take a rake and garbage bags and clean up the forests co0mments are absurd, has nothing to do with climate change.

When you give your head a shake and realize how stupid you sound, then come back with some real discussion points.

[OftenWrong]

14 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

WTF are you babbling about.

You and your take a rake and garbage bags and clean up the forests co0mments are absurd, has nothing to do with climate change.

When you give your head a shake and realize how stupid you sound, then come back with some real discussion points.

There is more that can be done, and government needs to be put to that task. I'm assuming you're no fire expert, so your dismisal of certain proposed ideas is also useless and unimportant as anyone else. So, maybe you should dial it down a bit?

I've heard that real forestry experts have been calling for more resources and action to better prepare for it but not much action from politicians of course. Literally waiting until the house is on fire. Then fiddle while it burns.

Then they tell you guys the sky is falling, and of course, you go for it.

 

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Ahhh...the tax. That's your angle. Anything and everyone is expendable to justify that carbon tax. To justify your climate religion.

I should have known...

Yes you should now. You guys are dreaming if think adapting to climate change can be done on the cheap.

[eyeball]

8 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

I've heard that real forestry experts have been calling for more resources and action to better prepare for it but not much action from politicians of course. Literally waiting until the house is on fire. Then fiddle while it burns.

Then they tell you guys the sky is falling, and of course, you go for it.

The politicians were also listening to you guys tell everyone the economy would be destroyed if they listened to the experts and they kept fiddling.

This is what you guys wanted. No action, no resources, no experts.

Why are you whining now?

 

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Any stupidity to justify this carbon religion. 

Exactly, religion. I call it Thunbergism.

Namely, the self-loathing, self cutting, and having social and food issues. So they become estranged and not reproduce.

Not live too long.

Now switch to the scene in Montreal, 500,000 screaming supporters in the streets.

Next scene- an young man in hospital gives consent to undergo MAID.

We are become a death cult.