'Need too great': Canada could raise immigration targets despite housing crunch

[CdnFox]

https://financialpost.com/news/economy/canada-immigration-target-could-rise-despite-housing-crunch

Marc Miller to announce new targets on Nov. 1

In one of his first interviews a week into his new cabinet role, Immigration Minister Marc Miller said the government will have to either keep — or raise — its annual targets for permanent residents of about half a million. That’s because of the diminishing number of working-age people relative to the number of retirees and the risk it poses to public service funding, he said.

But while immigration for some countries is a divisive issue that can polarize voters and even topple a government, Canada has comfortably relied on public support to open its doors more widely for working-age newcomers.

Miller’s comments suggest the government is still counting on that backing to grow its population rapidly to stave off long-term economic decline. Trudeau’s government has consistently raised its target for permanent residents. Last year, foreign students, temporary workers and refugees made up another group that’s even larger, bringing total arrivals to a record one million

[CdnFox]

IT is absolutely NOT "long term decline" that they're fighting.  They're staving off short term disaster.  Long term this is very clearly a nightmare.  And we're already seeing the start of that.

Justin is just praying this doesn't blow up completely before the next election - and i don't know if he's got that long,

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

During the Syrian crisis, I distinctly recall our PM reassuring us that he was going to bring in the thousands of refugees he had promised to take and I wondered whom he was talking to exactly. How many of us were holding him to account on that? 

The debate on immigration has to be more integrated; those Canadians most affected in our large cities should have a much louder voice in determining numbers. For me in the boonies, immigrants are great - I’ve endless work for them - but that’s not the case if you’re young and trying to find a place to live in the likes of Toronto. I presume we all agree that the interests of Canadians must come first? If we ignore such competing priorities, we will be guilty of stoking the rise of racism and bitter division in our politics. BTW quite a few Canadians do not realize how difficult it is to immigrate to many of the countries that our immigrants come from these days. 

Edited August 8, 2023 by SpankyMcFarland

[myata]

In two centuries, with unprecedented natural riches the society could not build a foundation for long term prosperity and stable development. Now the international environment is much more dynamic, competition in productivity and technology cutthroat and there's no time to think and design, just react. Jitter mode. Intelligent and effective solutions not likely. We have specialists in the public education system who do not have full command of English, but better diversity. Sure: as a society you choose the priorities, or those who get to think for you and on your behalf. Third world status looming ahead.

[Michael Hardner]

While I agree with the last two posts, there's still plenty of room for optimism. Said riches are there, making sure there's equal opportunity, not just based on diversity, is a solvable problem.

Edited August 8, 2023 by Michael Hardner

[myata]

For a positive change to be possible in principle, two factors are necessary: the ability to make intelligent decisions, that is, based on real objective situation that is analyzed and understood; and the ability to execute them effectively and efficiently.

In this country we have neither. What we have, that is, made us over two centuries, is a huge balloon very high above the lowly ground that lives by its own rules, makes its own choices and for itself and the connection with the ground that is, the reality of the country is all but non-existent except a fat pipe that sends good stuff up to feed it.

The conclusion is quite obvious. Go head.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Contrarian said:

"We" also need older socialists leftists to quit pretending they are conservatives.

Especially the ones that use short bits and ask questions to go after Chuds as a pleasure game while in between playing the nice game man, shadow man. 

Seems like you're turning against me again.  It's a pendulum I suppose.  Back and forth.

I am happy to be conservative.  

[Legato]

14 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Seems like you're turning against me again.  It's a pendulum I suppose.  Back and forth.

I am happy pretend to be conservative.  

Fixed for accuracy.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Seems like you're turning against me again.  It's a pendulum I suppose.  Back and forth.

I am happy to be conservative.  

Content to lie about it    NOBODY here thinks you're conservative

[I am Groot]

The excuses given by Miller and his predecessors are all nonsense. We have no overall labour shortage except among low-skilled workers, according to Stats Canada. And even that is largely a result of employers not feeling the need to raise wages or make any accommodations for what they continue to claim are scarce human resources. If they were really having trouble they'd be doing something about it other than bribing Liberal cabinet ministers to keep raising immigration and foreign worker numbers.

We're bringing in millions of third-world people to do low-skilled jobs that AI is soon going to largely eliminate. What do we do with them then? Carry them on welfare for the rest of their lives?

Most of our violent criminals are already immigrants or their kids. How much worse do the Liberals want the crime rate to get anyway?

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

How much worse do the Liberals want the crime rate to get anyway?

Will you please shut up?!?  They're going to take that as a challenge....

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Contrarian said:

Yes, you are conservative to society as it was in the 90's when you called yourself a socialist. 

The 90s saw the dawn of the Chuds.  Mike Harris and slave camps for juvenile offenders, Stock Day and Jet Skis... I'm more of a Bill Davis guy.

.

2 hours ago, Legato said:

Fixed for accuracy.

So many hurt feelings out there ?

[myata]

32 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

The excuses given by Miller and his predecessors are all nonsense. We have no overall labour shortage except among low-skilled workers, according to Stats Canada.

Every successful dictator discovers a compelling cause that lets them escape questions and accountability while the cycle lasts, sometimes for a long time. Traditionally it used to be a war but in a modern creative society and with ubiquitous propaganda it doesn't need to be. Trudo's Liberals discovered a better alternative: Immigration + Universal Goodness. Yes self-explanatory and no questions needed.

What problems does it solve? Can they be solved in a better, more efficient and beneficial for the society way? Wrong questions. Diversity is good. Goodness is good. So immigration has to be good, it has become a reason and cause in itself. And it feeds the drive and the tenure at the trough.

And a society that has not developed, never even thought consciously of developing real working mechanisms of accountability, it can be a real, serious problem. We just marched under "every child" banner while the evidence is yet to be shown. Trans rights is the priority of the day. Why? Who named it as a critical priority for the society ahead of stagnating for decades living standard, government inefficiency and now, inflation? You won't get an answer. Where will the drum send us tomorrow, which new frontiers of the goodness fight? Who wants to know? But it works, see.

[CITIZEN_2015]

The left is ruining the future of the country. The right is afraid of saying what may be correct but considered politically incorrect.

[Michael Hardner]

Looking at the stats, it seems like the number of refugees is spiking at close to ten percent of the total... I assume that it's due to Ukranian refugees.

[CdnFox]

18 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

The left is ruining the future of the country. The right is afraid of saying what may be correct but considered politically incorrect.

If it's considered politically incorrect then the problem is the people, not the politicians.  Hopefully the people are waking up and realizing the price of these liberal "social experiments".

[CITIZEN_2015]

58 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

If it's considered politically incorrect then the problem is the people, not the politicians.  Hopefully the people are waking up and realizing the price of these liberal "social experiments".

People are afraid to be stamped as racist so they remain quiet.

[I am Groot]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

 

So many hurt feelings out there ?

This is coming from a guy who fumed and fulminated and repeatedly demanded an apology after I made a statement of common knowledge and said 'you know this'. And when I laughed at him put me on ignore! ?

[myata]

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

People are afraid to be

For two centuries now. But of course, that's no excuse to the evolution. Dinosaurs learned.

[I am Groot]

Canada absolutely can't build more housing without more immigrants! Immigrants are building these houses! Which, if it were true (Hint: it's not) would mean we have to bring in ever more immigrants in order to build the houses needed by ever more immigrants!

But of course, it's not actually true. We're bringing in virtually NO skilled tradesmen.

 

https://globalnews.ca/news/9890682/housing-shortage-canada-immigration-targets/

 

Edited August 11, 2023 by I am Groot

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

we have to bring in ever more immigrants in order to build the houses needed by ever more immigrants!

I'm pretty sure this is literally their take on the situation.  I think they think it's like a game of tetris, if you can just make 'em all fit somehow they vanish and you get to start over.

[Army Guy]

Why is it that Canadians still believe anything that the Liberals say...Are Canadians that gullible, thats not what i was thinking but gullible seemed more appropriate...we have seen it on gun control, carbon tax, military spending, climate crisis, the list goes on forever... and yet Canadians on the left will accept this as words from the gods... how many times do you have to be fooled before you change your political stance....hundreds, thousands.... We do not need the levels of immigration we have now, the streets of our larger cities are full, our hotels are full, we have a extreme shortage of homes, and apartments, and 1 in 3 immigrants are leaving for many reasons...

Want to build more homes start pouring the billions that we spend on immigration and make training for the trades free , open up more trades schools, give companies tax breaks to take on trades people looking for on the job training...that would be a start...

We can't build homes, we can't fix the economy, we can't fix the health care, we can't fix inflation, we can't fix anything...

The conservatives don't color in the lines, so i will pout and vote for the liberals, and watch as we can't fix anything for 4 more years...where is the line that the liberals have to cross before you say enough is enough....we need change...Thats what is wrong with this country, we will destroy it just out of spite... I'm tired of watching it go down the drain. 

Edited August 12, 2023 by Army Guy

[Dougie93]

12 hours ago, Army Guy said:

The conservatives don't color in the lines, so i will pout and vote for the liberals, and watch as we can't fix anything for 4 more years...where is the line that the liberals have to cross before you say enough is enough....we need change...Thats what is wrong with this country, we will destroy it just out of spite... I'm tired of watching it go down the drain. 

this strategy is called Accelerationism

there will be no fundamental change until the roof comes crashing down on the masses

so don't fight it, lean into it

with crisis comes opportunity : chaos is a ladder

[Nexii]

Yea not only do we not get blue-collar immigrants, we aren't educating and training enough tradeskill workers. It's not worth it for tradeskill workers to become teachers, the pay is much lower. So basically government has to put money into and treat it more like universities, only we won't

[Dougie93]

12 hours ago, Army Guy said:

We can't build homes, we can't fix the economy, we can't fix the health care, we can't fix inflation, we can't fix anything...

the mistake perhaps is thinking that the role of a nation state is to "fix" things

thus how you end up with an overweening, overbearing nanny police state

which ends up burning the nation itself to the ground by way of its totalitarian ineptitude

meanwhile, market forces rule

thus the trick is to ignore the government and prepare an ark for yourself

to stay afloat as the flood rises all around you

"And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation."  ~ Genesis 7 KJV