Gas Gouge Again

[herbie]

Just watched a news report of the usual gang of dimwits calling themselves the Cdn Taxpayers Federation reacting to gas stations hiking the gas prices "because it's a long weekend". As per usual they're concerned only with having to pay tax and suggest the BC govt cut the gas tax to help consumers.

Ignoring the fact there's no supply shortage and the only reason for the price increase is because there's high demand and they can. Strictly a gas gouge and nothing else. And its perfectly "legal" the govt does not set or control commodity prices.
And part of why is because you showed them they could get away with charging whatever they want, by buying gas even when it was up to $2.50/L. Hell no, the same dupes blamed the $1/L hike over the last time oil prices were that high on TWO CENTS of carbon tax. The govts in Alberta and Ontario bought in and what happened was instead of collecting their revenue they subsidized the oil companies to rip you off.

How much longer we gonna let them pull the wool over our eyes?

[Nefarious Banana]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

You showed them they could get away with charging whatever they want, by buying gas even when it was up to $2.50/L. 

Oddly enough, some folks have jobs to go to, and needed the fuel to get there.  Public transit and bicycles don't work too well when you've got logs to haul, or fields to plow.

Are you employed herbie?  

[Perspektiv]

57 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Are you employed herbie?  

Highly doubt it.

 

[herbie]

So unable to grasp just who's the one ripping you off, eh?

Or unwilling to admit. One of those working class dupes that consistently vote against your own interests.

If they'd just let my Boss make more money, he'll give me some....

[Nefarious Banana]

41 minutes ago, herbie said:

So unable to grasp just who's the one ripping you off, eh?

Or unwilling to admit. One of those working class dupes that consistently vote against your own interests.

If they'd just let my Boss make more money, he'll give me some....

What's your solution?  Be specific.

[CdnFox]

Well the thing of it is, when you go to a gas station and they take their share of the price for gas they give you gas.

When the gov't takes it's share of the money you paid for gas, you don't get anything.  The closest you get to them giving you gas is upset stomach thinking about it.

So - rather than blame the guy who's actually selling the product and giving me something for my money, i'm more inclined to blame the guys who charge JUST AS MUCH and give me nothing.

And even better yet - they charge GST on the tax they collected for the gas.  "Here - lemmie just tax you for that tax you paid".

Edited August 5, 2023 by CdnFox

[Perspektiv]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

So unable to grasp just who's the one ripping you off, eh?

Most Canadians who must drive don't have the luxury to actively do something about being ripped off on gas.

Its not the amount, its the principle of adding a tax.

[myata]

11 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Highly doubt it.

Hurray another price hike and more inflation! Yes they can (and keeps us happy here)!

Edited August 5, 2023 by myata

[myata]

An intriguing observation: once the price of pretty much anything hits a new high in Canada, it never comes down much. A real puzzle no? Why would it do that, in a "market" economy?

Proudly loving monopoly here. Yes they can!

[Perspektiv]

5 hours ago, myata said:

and keeps us happy here

Whenever I hear of someone happy of fuel prices, I see someone either with no job, or lack of understanding on how devastating an impact that it will have on that country's poor.

While I sometimes grumble, I can easily afford the fuel prices and my car maintenance. 

When this translates to escalating prices on staples like bananas and eggs, forcing families to make difficult food rationing decisions, your celebration presents you as equally out of touch as the type of person who would apply additional taxes on fuels, vs ease the financial burden on the population. 

[herbie]

In other words, so long as the gummint revnooers aren't getting so much as penny you're all fine with the companies ripping you off for a dollar. Because you don't want the gov't that actually does stuff for the whole country with the penny because it's all about you..

That's why I told the Taxpayers Federation to f*ck off and get out of more store when they came soliciting, A 0% PST and 0% GST wouldn't affect sales in the least.

Now then a 0% GST and 0% provincial property transfer tax sure as hell would in the housing sector, wouldn't it? But no Giant Conglomeration runs housing so we hear S.F.A. on that.

[CdnFox]

41 minutes ago, herbie said:

In other words, so long as the gummint revnooers aren't getting so much as penny you're all fine with the companies ripping you off for a dollar. Because you don't want the gov't that actually does stuff for the whole country with the penny because it's all about you..

Uhhh oohhhh -  triggered Commiunist is triggered!!

[Nefarious Banana]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

In other words, so long as the gummint revnooers aren't getting so much as penny you're all fine with the companies ripping you off for a dollar. Because you don't want the gov't that actually does stuff for the whole country with the penny because it's all about you..

That's why I told the Taxpayers Federation to f*ck off and get out of more store when they came soliciting, A 0% PST and 0% GST wouldn't affect sales in the least.

Now then a 0% GST and 0% provincial property transfer tax sure as hell would in the housing sector, wouldn't it? But no Giant Conglomeration runs housing so we hear S.F.A. on that.

What's your solution?    Unemployed?   Unemployable?    On the dole/taxpayers tab?    Yeah, I thought so . . . .

[Queenmandy85]

One factor no one has mentioned is the fuel is owned by various companies. It is their gasoline and their right to ask whatever the market will bear. That is free enterprise. 

[taxme]

On 8/4/2023 at 1:07 PM, herbie said:

Just watched a news report of the usual gang of dimwits calling themselves the Cdn Taxpayers Federation reacting to gas stations hiking the gas prices "because it's a long weekend". As per usual they're concerned only with having to pay tax and suggest the BC govt cut the gas tax to help consumers.

Ignoring the fact there's no supply shortage and the only reason for the price increase is because there's high demand and they can. Strictly a gas gouge and nothing else. And its perfectly "legal" the govt does not set or control commodity prices.
And part of why is because you showed them they could get away with charging whatever they want, by buying gas even when it was up to $2.50/L. Hell no, the same dupes blamed the $1/L hike over the last time oil prices were that high on TWO CENTS of carbon tax. The govts in Alberta and Ontario bought in and what happened was instead of collecting their revenue they subsidized the oil companies to rip you off.

How much longer we gonna let them pull the wool over our eyes?

Only bimbos will knock an outfit like the Canadian Taxpayer's conservative website when all they are trying to point out is where are our tax dollars are being blown, bimbo. I recently read on the Canadian Taxpayer's website that said that for every liter of gas one puts in their vehicle, approx. 78 cents of that liter is tax. Aren't we all concerned about gas prices, lefty? Long weekend or not, here in the lower mainland of Vancouver, the price of a liter of gas always runs between $1.90 and $2.06 a liter. It's been like that all year. 

The only ones that should be making money from the selling of gas is the oil companies. If it were not for them, we would all be driving bicycles or one of those Flintstones cars. It's the federal and socialist government here in BC that is the big thief here, and not the oil companies. Oil companies are useful. Politicians are useless. 

You are the liberal dimwit here for daring to attack some people in our society who like to keep watch as to where our tax dollars are being blown. If things were left up to you, we would never learn anything at all, lefty. I am pretty sure that come the next election, Castro Trudeau will be getting your vote because you ain't no conservative. 

The Canadian Taxpayer is trying to do something about it. So, when are you going to get off your lefty butt and do something about it? You are the one that needs to shave all of that wool in front of your eyes. ?

[taxme]

2 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

One factor no one has mentioned is the fuel is owned by various companies. It is their gasoline and their right to ask whatever the market will bear. That is free enterprise. 

Thanks to the metric system that we now have in Canada, we pretty much are paying close to $8.00 a gallon. In America, the gas runs around on average of about $4.00 a gallon. When the metric system was implemented by communist dictator old man Trudeau way back when, it became a gold mine for the governments in Canada. 

The Marxist government in Ottawa says that if we want to live and have a free enterprise system, then we must pay for it big time. All three levels of government do not believe in the free enterprise system. They only believe in trying to squeeze more tax dollars which hampers the free enterprise system. If it were not for the leftist liberal and socialist politicians of today, we could all be millionaires. We would be living in a more freer society, with less government, and less taxes. Wow, eh? ?

 

[Perspektiv]

3 hours ago, herbie said:

you're all fine with the companies ripping you off for a dollar.

Nobody is fine with it, unless you benefit from it. Some of us have no choice. I need to drive to earn a living. I can afford the gouge. I make enough that 8$ eggs don't bother me. A 5$ loaf of bread.

It adds insult to injury to add an additional tax in this horrible timing. We just had covid-19 ravage our economy. Some cities saw upwards of 400% or more increases in homelessness.

Most are annoyed at the principle.

3 hours ago, herbie said:

Because you don't want the gov't that actually does stuff for the whole country with the penny because it's all about you..

Tell that to those of whom, cost of living has doubled (who barely got by then), and partly due to sky high gas prices, which has a domino effect on just about every consumer item that requires to be shipped.

Not all Canadians benefit from this. In fact, some are hurt by this.

They will in the future am sure, but if you're struggling to put food on your plate, "suck it up, and stop being selfish" isn't really something that hits close to home, in continuing to cut your milk with water so your kids can eat, so that the person living in the large house next to you, can buy an EV you could only dream of far more easily.

[herbie]

1 hour ago, Nefarious Banana said:

What's your solution?    Unemployed?   Unemployable?    On the dole/taxpayers tab?    Yeah, I thought so . . . .

Asides responding to everything like an a$$hole do you have anything worth contributing?

 

43 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Most are annoyed at the principle.

Well I'm annoyed that everytime they raise the tax two cents, they ALL raise prices by a dime. Now they hide it, raise it by a dime the day before they apply the 2 cents tax so they keep the whole dime.

But I guess I'm the only one that gives a shit about getting ripped off, everyone else simply wants to gripe about the govt.
Just like the grocer's BS line "we haven't raised our margins at all" when margins are a percentage over the cost. So if cost doubles and margins stay the same, you make twice as much. How did you think they got those record profits?

[Nefarious Banana]

9 minutes ago, herbie said:

Besides responding to everything like an a$$hole do you have anything worth contributing?

But I guess I'm the only one that gives a shit about getting ripped off, everyone else simply wants to gripe about the govt.

You're annoyed with the high price of fuel, and implied that folks shouldn't buy it.  Again, what is your solution for the folks that need fuel to be able to get to work?  People will need heating oil in the near future . . . . should they huddle under blankets to show the oil companies that their heating fuel isn't needed.

herbie, do you have a job that you need fuel to get to?  Are you employed?

[Queenmandy85]

What is the purpose of grocery store?

To make money. 

What is the purpose of a fuel company?

To make money. 
What is the purpose of a delivery driver?

To make money.

If you own something that people want, you are going to sell it for as much money as you can get. The people who own the gasoline are not a charity any more than you are. 

[Queenmandy85]

9 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

You're annoyed with the high price of fuel, and implied that folks shouldn't buy it.  Again, what is your solution for the folks that need fuel to be able to get to work?  People will need heating oil in the near future . . . . should they huddle under blankets to show the oil companies that their heating fuel isn't needed.

herbie, do you have a job that you need fuel to get to?  Are you employed?

The answer of course is nuclear power. We have wasted 40 years while we have used up the resources our future generations needed to survive.

[August1991]

On 8/4/2023 at 4:07 PM, herbie said:

Just watched a news report of the usual gang of dimwits calling themselves the Cdn Taxpayers Federation reacting to gas stations hiking the gas prices "because it's a long weekend".

...

At issue is not taxes or borrowing. It is government spending.

To be sexist, does it matter whether your wife uses your debit card or your credit card?

It's your money. 

[August1991]

In Norway, people pay about $3.00 per litre for gasoline.

But Norway has only a few million people. Mostly Lutheran. Like Sweden.

Swedes avoid foreign problems - unlike we English-Canadians.

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Unlike these northern people, we Canadians invite others to live among us.

We get along.

 

Edited August 6, 2023 by August1991

[eyeball]

16 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

What is the purpose of grocery store?

To make money. 

What is the purpose of a fuel company?

To make money. 
What is the purpose of a delivery driver?

To make money.

If you own something that people want, you are going to sell it for as much money as you can get. The people who own the gasoline are not a charity any more than you are. 

But this very same token, we own the natural resources and we give licences to companies for the right to utilize them in exchange for royalties. I don't think we're charging as much as the market can bear and we should charge more to get as much as we can.

We should also stop subsidizing them. We're not a charity any more than they are.

 

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

But this very same token, we own the natural resources and we give licences to companies for the right to utilize them in exchange for royalties. I don't think we're charging as much as the market can bear and we should charge more to get as much as we can

 

Aside from the fact you're wrong (that was trudeau's thinking in the 70's and he destroyed the industry trying to milk it dry),  all that would do is force the fuel companies to raise their prices to consumers.  Which you would then biatch about.

Remember - carbon tax is applied to EVERYTHING and unlike most taxes it's cumulative, not just applied to the end user.  So if he raises it two cents - there's a lot more two cents's in there than you think,