Devon Archer Transcript proves Joe had the Ukrainian prosecutor fired to help end the investigation into his son's energy firm Burisma

Hodad · August 31, 2023

6 minutes ago, West said:

Lol..

And you've been shown archers testimony which refutes your so called proof.

Your argument boils down to the pro burisma lobbyists claiming the guy was corrupt therefore he is. It's a circular argument

You are a liar. As before, there was broad consensus that Shokin was corrupt. Archer's testimony was specific that Burisma did not want Shokin fired because they had him under control. That is not a circular argument. (I don't think you know what that means, BTW).

Your premise is that Joe Biden corruptly did Hunter a favor by firing and honest and earnest Shokin who was investigating Burisma.

This theory falls apart on even the slightest examination.

1. Shokin was not investigating Burisma- had shelved the investigation and actively sabotaged the UK investigation.

2. For these reasons (and others) there was broad, international consensus that Shokin was corrupt.

3. Per Archer's testimony, not only could Hunter not influence Joe, but Joe did the opposite of what Burisma wanted.

What is so crazy about you conspiracy kooks is that the western world broadly understood Shokin to be corrupt, US Republicans included. Joe Biden was sent to apply pressure in service of US and allied objectives. You don't like Joe Biden, so suddenly and magically you claim that Shokin was not corrupt, and everyone else is. Fix your brain.

West · August 31, 2023

41 minutes ago, Hodad said:

You are a liar. As before, there was broad consensus that Shokin was corrupt. Archer's testimony was specific that Burisma did not want Shokin fired because they had him under control. That is not a circular argument. (I don't think you know what that means, BTW).

Your premise is that Joe Biden corruptly did Hunter a favor by firing and honest and earnest Shokin who was investigating Burisma.

This theory falls apart on even the slightest examination.

1. Shokin was not investigating Burisma- had shelved the investigation and actively sabotaged the UK investigation.

2. For these reasons (and others) there was broad, international consensus that Shokin was corrupt.

3. Per Archer's testimony, not only could Hunter not influence Joe, but Joe did the opposite of what Burisma wanted.

What is so crazy about you conspiracy kooks is that the western world broadly understood Shokin to be corrupt, US Republicans included. Joe Biden was sent to apply pressure in service of US and allied objectives. You don't like Joe Biden, so suddenly and magically you claim that Shokin was not corrupt, and everyone else is. Fix your brain.

My God. Do you even read what I write or am i just wasting my time with a far left troll who wants to tell me the sky is green?

Shokin froze the accounts and seized assets from Burisma and their executives. Hunter, and others including the president of Poland, were hired in a lobbying capacity. I've provided you this quote several times now:

"He was a threat. He ended up seizing assets of [Burisma owner] Nikolai [Zlochevsky] — a house, some cars, a couple properties. And Nikolai actually never went back to Ukraine after Shokin seized all of his assets,”

where it gets dicey is you dont know where offical US government policy began and where the private interests of Joe's family ended. Again, your claim of corruption would have alot more credibility if Hunter wasn't over there making money off the office of the vice president.

There was "broad consensus" among lobbying groups on behalf of Burisma that Shokin was corrupt maybe. But again, this is a circular argument. Does not actually prove anything. Where was the criminal charges and convictions against him? Joe claims alot of things such as his rivals starting insurrection.

Whats the actual evidence Shokin was corrupt besides Joe Biden and his buddies saying so?

And no it's not a "conspiracy theory" I'm just aware of how lobbying works and the Democrats have shown themselves to be dishonest people time and time again. Forgive me for not taking their word for it.

Everybody is corrupt except the Democrats accepting bribes I suppose. Talk about a conspiracy theory ?

Edited August 31, 2023 by West

West · August 31, 2023

Crazy how far left crazies can't see the forest through the trees.

1. Vice presidents son is hired by a company whos ceo had his assets frozen for his connection

2. Vice president singles out a foreign prosecutor who just so happens to have been the person who froze said assets has said prosecutor fired and claims he's "corrupt"

3. Former vice presidents party "impeaches" the incoming party's president for asking questions about what went on in the Ukraine, fabricating the content of a phone call as a basis for it..

But yeah move along nothing to see there

Edited August 31, 2023 by West

Nationalist · August 31, 2023

15 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Jeebus, man. I quoted the transcript directly to you. It was not US officials. Why would Archer even be talking to US officials?

You are just plain lying.

Of course he can't know if it's true. He can only report what he was told. But your conspiracy theory gets even stupider if you tack on Burisma lying to Archer for no discernable reason (other than that you had a crazy thought).

I had to go back and check. Archer is not really sure who they were. Just "various folks in DC". That makes them DC operatives.

Bye...been a slice.

Rebound · August 31, 2023

5 hours ago, West said:

Crazy how far left crazies can't see the forest through the trees.

1. Vice presidents son is hired by a company whos ceo had his assets frozen for his connection

2. Vice president singles out a foreign prosecutor who just so happens to have been the person who froze said assets has said prosecutor fired and claims he's "corrupt"

3. Former vice presidents party "impeaches" the incoming party's president for asking questions about what went on in the Ukraine, fabricating the content of a phone call as a basis for it..

But yeah move along nothing to see there

Again, educate yourself:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/12/the-money-machine-how-a-high-profile-corruption-investigation-fell-apart

West · August 31, 2023

39 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Again, educate yourself:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/12/the-money-machine-how-a-high-profil

40 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Again, educate yourself:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/12/the-money-machine-how-a-high-profile-corruption-investigation-fell-apart

Le-corruption-investigation-fell-apart

Lol.. Burisma had strong connections to this regime bud

Rebound · August 31, 2023

17 minutes ago, West said:

Lol.. Burisma had strong connections to this regime bud

Exactly. And Shokin was part of this corrupt system. I think you should read the article carefully. They are certainly not defenders of Hunter Biden, but you’ll find the facts laid out very clearly.

West · August 31, 2023

15 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Exactly. And Shokin was part of this corrupt system. I think you should read the article carefully. They are certainly not defenders of Hunter Biden, but you’ll find the facts laid out very clearly.

I don't see anything about Shokin.

Yes I get there are Democrat apologists now trying to do some damage control for Joe Biden. Like the partner of the law firm now judge going after Trump for exposing this who was defending burisma who was scamming money.

But it still doesn't explain what the hell the Vice President and his son were doing getting into a business relationship with a Russian backed energy firm known for embezzling funds. The claim they knew nothing about it is laughable. The only logically conclusion is that this stinks to high heaven.

Edited August 31, 2023 by West

Rebound · August 31, 2023

1 hour ago, West said:

I don't see anything about Shokin.

Yes I get there are Democrat apologists now trying to do some damage control for Joe Biden. Like the partner of the law firm now judge going after Trump for exposing this who was defending burisma who was scamming money.

But it still doesn't explain what the hell the Vice President and his son were doing getting into a business relationship with a Russian backed energy firm known for embezzling funds. The claim they knew nothing about it is laughable. The only logically conclusion is that this stinks to high heaven.

The article is from 2017 and it is very critical of Hunter Biden, which you’d know if you’d read it. Stop pretending that you already know everything. Nobody does. Try reading.

West · August 31, 2023

Just now, Rebound said:

The article is from 2017 and it is very critical of Hunter Biden, which you’d know if you’d read it. Stop pretending that you already know everything. Nobody does. Try reading.

I've read your bullshit.

It's just propaganda to cover for a corrupt man.

There's a long pattern of this type of shady behavior from the Biden family whether it be Amtrac as a senator or the dealing in China. A few million here and a few million there while the average democrat voters sits there with their head up their a$$ and call any sort of criticism a "conspiracy theory"

Joe Biden and his sycophants are acting like mentally deranged thugs by going after the folks who are exposing their corruption and you sit back and take the side of the deranged mob. Very pathetic

WestCanMan · August 31, 2023

3 hours ago, Rebound said:

Again, educate yourself:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/12/the-money-machine-how-a-high-profile-corruption-investigation-fell-apart

From your own article:

Quote

and the west – perhaps embarrassed that so much of this money had ended up in its banks – promised to do what it could to help return it to Ukraine.

We know where $83k/mo was going ?

Rebound · August 31, 2023

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

From your own article:

We know where $83k/mo was going ?

Wow, you read a whole sentence and took it out of context.

Rebound · August 31, 2023

1 hour ago, West said:

I've read your bullshit.

It's just propaganda to cover for a corrupt man.

There's a long pattern of this type of shady behavior from the Biden family whether it be Amtrac as a senator or the dealing in China. A few million here and a few million there while the average democrat voters sits there with their head up their a$$ and call any sort of criticism a "conspiracy theory"

Joe Biden and his sycophants are acting like mentally deranged thugs by going after the folks who are exposing their corruption and you sit back and take the side of the deranged mob. Very pathetic

Now the article is “my bullshit?”

Jesus, man, you are pathetic. I learn every day. I change my mind all the time. The world isn’t black and white.

Here is the fundamental difference between you and I, and proof that you are evil and I am not:

If there is evidence that Joe Biden committed a crime, I will support his impeachment. But in your case, there is literally stacks of boxes of evidence of Trump’s guilt, yet even a guilty verdict from a jury won’t convince you if the man’s guilt. He can be sentenced to ten years in prison and your mind cannot accept his criminality. That is the banality of evil.

Donald Trump has spent over 70 years testing the guardrails of illegal behavior and it’s finally catching up to him. A person doesn’t get 91 felony charges by living an honest life. Surely the Republicans would have charged Clinton, Obama and Biden with 91 felonies… IF THEY COULD. Grand juries of citizens reported that there is probable cause that he committed those 91 felonies. But on and on and on you go about the man’s innocence. Yet you’re ready to convict Joe Biden with no evidence at all.

You’re a real piece of work. Your mind is corrupt.

West · August 31, 2023

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

Now the article is “my bullshit?”

Jesus, man, you are pathetic. I learn every day. I change my mind all the time. The world isn’t black and white.

Here is the fundamental difference between you and I, and proof that you are evil and I am not:

If there is evidence that Joe Biden committed a crime, I will support his impeachment. But in your case, there is literally stacks of boxes of evidence of Trump’s guilt, yet even a guilty verdict from a jury won’t convince you if the man’s guilt. He can be sentenced to ten years in prison and your mind cannot accept his criminality. That is the banality of evil.

Donald Trump has spent over 70 years testing the guardrails of illegal behavior and it’s finally catching up to him. A person doesn’t get 91 felony charges by living an honest life. Surely the Republicans would have charged Clinton, Obama and Biden with 91 felonies… IF THEY COULD. Grand juries of citizens reported that there is probable cause that he committed those 91 felonies. But on and on and on you go about the man’s innocence. Yet you’re ready to convict Joe Biden with no evidence at all.

You’re a real piece of work. Your mind is corrupt.

What exactly do you want me to see with that article?

I already knew Hunter Biden was in bed with a crooked Russian oligarch.

The fact you don't have even a bit of skepticism about Joe's defense is a bit suspect.

WestCanMan · August 31, 2023

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

Wow, you read a whole sentence and took it out of context.

Buddy, you're out of reasons for Biden to have fired Shokin.

At first it was inactivity, then it was about Shokin being corrupt, but now we know that he won a court order against Zlochevsky, and Zlochevsky was one of the main pigs at the trough. Biden had him replaced the next month, and a year later Zlochevsky was back in Ukraine, thanks to Biden's "solid guy".

So much for Shokin's inactivity, and so much for "not going after the actual bad guys".

Meanwhile Hunter, fresh off of his dishonorable discharge, got hired for tens of thousands of dollars a month and daddy protected his boss.

We both know that no Bidens will ever go to jail, no matter what, but even you have to admit that it looks like Joe got his son that job at the trough and then went to work for Ukrainian criminals.

taxme · August 31, 2023

On 8/28/2023 at 8:53 PM, Rebound said:

The GOP only has one candidate with national name recognition. Most Americans cannot name any candidate besides Biden and Trump. The campaign season hasn’t really started and most people aren’t thinking about it.

Trump is #1 in the GOP candidates field. All the other GOP candidates are just wasting their time trying to beat Trump. The real and true GOP leader and soon to be President of the USA is Donald Trump. Go, Trump, go. ?

robosmith · August 31, 2023

On 8/29/2023 at 12:24 PM, West said:

Majority Counsel: You keep saying “the brand,” but by “brand” you mean the Biden family, correct?

Mr. Archer: Correct.

Majority Counsel: And that brand is what, in your opinion, was the majority of what the value that was delivered from Hunter Biden to Burisma?

Mr. Archer: I didn’t say majority, but I wouldn’t speculate on percentages. But I do think that that was an element of it.

Rep. Andy Biggs: When you say “Biden family” ‑‑ sorry to cut in here. I just want to get a clarification. You aren’t talking about Dr. Jill or anybody else. You’re talking about Joe Biden. Is that fair to say?

Mr. Archer: Yeah, that’s fair to say. Listen, I think it’s ‑‑ I don’t think about it as, you know, Joe directly, but it’s fair. That’s fair to say. Obviously, that brought the most value to the brand.

***

Majority Counsel: That Hunter Biden was adding value. His value that he was adding was, in part, as you said, his family.

Mr. Archer: Uh‑huh.

Majority Counsel: And so what is your basis for knowing that?

Mr. Archer: My basis for knowing that? Well, I think there was ‑‑ there are particular, you know, objectives that Burisma was trying to accomplish. And a lot of it’s about opening doors, you know, globally in D.C. And I think that, you know, that was the, you know ‑‑ and then obviously having those doors opened, you know, sent the right signals, you know, for Burisma to, you know, carry on its business and be successful.

The rest is history... the Biden brand was threats of getting a prosecutor fired, implementing a puppet of the Biden administration who then dropped all burisma charges

The "history" (bolded) is YOUR INTERPRETATION. NOTHING MORE.

What was stated was "THE BRAND." Duh

robosmith · August 31, 2023

On 8/29/2023 at 10:42 PM, West said:

You have repeated the debunked lie that Joe had shokin fired because shokin was corrupt. There's no evidence. The weight of evidence including Archers testimony points to Joe being corrupt.

As Archer said, hunter was on the board to assist the company in getting over its legal hurdles as they were under investigation for being corrupt. His dad was his major selling feature and Joe delivered by threatening aid to interfere in an investigation while his son bagged the bribe. As extended family don't need to share their Financials, Joe can claim he's clean as a whistle while his son brother and others are acting as his proxy for bribery and other high crimes.

You support that and continue to lie about good people exposing your corrupt god Joe Biden

NO quotes from the transcript which support ^this fantasy.

Rebound · August 31, 2023

35 minutes ago, taxme said:

Trump is #1 in the GOP candidates field. All the other GOP candidates are just wasting their time trying to beat Trump. The real and true GOP leader and soon to be President of the USA is Donald Trump. Go, Trump, go. ?

Why are you so enamored with a criminal? Donald Trump may well be in prison before the November election rolls around. He has felony trial dates beginning in March and moving through 2024.

There are plenty of people who can be congressmen, senators and President. If Biden has a heart attack the democrats will keep moving right along with another candidate.

robosmith · August 31, 2023

On 8/30/2023 at 8:51 AM, Nationalist said:

I think we need to face the fact that, no matter the evidence, these people will never acknowledge it and the MSM will go along with them for the ride. But Joe is now a washed up old has-been. His name and legacy is now dirt.

Says the guy who STILL defends Trump despite the 100+ counts of his FELONY INDICTMENTS. LMAO

Rumors is all takes to muddy Joe, but not even felony indictments touch Trump. sure.

West · August 31, 2023

34 minutes ago, robosmith said:

NO quotes from the transcript which support ^this fantasy.

They have been provided several times now.

West · August 31, 2023

38 minutes ago, robosmith said:

NO quotes from the transcript which support ^this fantasy.

Joe's son hunter was being paid by the Russians. Therefore Joe is a Russian agent.

taxme · August 31, 2023

8 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Why are you so enamored with a criminal? Donald Trump may well be in prison before the November election rolls around. He has felony trial dates beginning in March and moving through 2024.

There are plenty of people who can be congressmen, senators and President. If Biden has a heart attack the democrats will keep moving right along with another candidate.

What makes you so dumb? Trump has not yet been proven guilty of any criminal act. It's all in those Marxist democrat/liberal minds that have dreamed up all those many false indictments in the hopes of trying to find and nail something on Trump and then be able to put Trump in the gulag before the next election. It will not work.The more that they try and make problems for Trump, the more popular he becomes and his voting numbers go up.

Even the lying and fake MSM thought that once they could get Trump's mugshot that would be the end for Trump. But not so. T-shirts and mugs with Trump's mugshot on them have become quite popular to buy and apparently it has backfired on the demonrats. Even ordinary black people and black gangstas in the hood are now identifying with Trump. They see his mugshot and they now call him a brother of the hood. How is that for a nice kick in the arse holes of the demonrats.

The demonrats are terrified of Trump right now and they are trying to do anything that they can to try and get rid of him. They know what Trump will do to them if he becomes the next President. It will be revenge time, baby. Sadly for the demonrats and lefty liberal losers like you, Trump will never be found guilty on anything. In prison, my arse. LOL.

robosmith · September 1, 2023

1 hour ago, West said:

They have been provided several times now.

And I provided quotes which contradict the title of THIS THREAD.

Archer had NO KNOWLEDGE of wrongdoing by Joe.

robosmith · September 1, 2023

1 hour ago, taxme said:

What makes you so dumb? Trump has not yet been proven guilty of any criminal act. It's all in those Marxist democrat/liberal minds that have dreamed up all those many false indictments in the hopes of trying to find and nail something on Trump and then be able to put Trump in the gulag before the next election. It will not work.The more that they try and make problems for Trump, the more popular he becomes and his voting numbers go up.

Even the lying and fake MSM thought that once they could get Trump's mugshot that would be the end for Trump. But not so. T-shirts and mugs with Trump's mugshot on them have become quite popular to buy and apparently it has backfired on the demonrats. Even ordinary black people and black gangstas in the hood are now identifying with Trump. They see his mugshot and they now call him a brother of the hood. How is that for a nice kick in the arse holes of the demonrats.

The demonrats are terrified of Trump right now and they are trying to do anything that they can to try and get rid of him. They know what Trump will do to them if he becomes the next President. It will be revenge time, baby. Sadly for the demonrats and lefty liberal losers like you, Trump will never be found guilty on anything. In prison, my arse. LOL.

Have you even READ the indictments? They are quite SPECIFIC and much of the SWORN TESTIMONY evidence from WH INSIDERS has already been presented in the House Hearings.

Was everyone who worked for Trump LYING? LMAO