Trump Indicted for Jan 6th Crimes

[Boges]

tl;dr 

Stop copying and pasting from blogs you don't want to link to. 

Also accusations against the FBI have little to do with what evidence the DoJ have against Trump in this specific indictment. It's just a deflection. 

[myata]

50 minutes ago, Boges said:

You sound like a Flat Earther. 

Yes and no. He sounds like, talks as a convert of a totalitarian mob that values nothing but the word of their Idol of worship. Anything that goes against His word has to be a plot or conspiracy. Nothing matters because He is always right in every word and not taking it as the final and infallible truth is horror and anathema. If and when someone enters this mental state no arguments are likely to convince them otherwise. Even reality itself may not be enough.

And this is in no way to deny problems; riots were wrong; maybe if and when proven, felonies committed. The question is different: should all instruments, traditions and principles of democracy be thrown away if and as soon as they offend the Idol? And if so, what will be left?

[WestCanMan]

@impartialobserver

Waaaah. 

If you disagree with something that's posted as a statement of fact then man up and say it. 

The reason that you don't is because you know that you don't have a leg to stand on. Butthurt loser. 

45 minutes ago, myata said:

Yes and no. He sounds like, talks as a convert of a totalitarian mob that values nothing but the word of their Idol of worship.

If you think that something I said is untrue, the posts are right there for you to challenge.

Are you a man or a mouse? C'mon myata, squeak up!

[WestCanMan]

There are two kinds of people in this thread:

1) people who can cite relevant, established facts to make salient points and

2) people who are trying to cling desperately to another round of unsubstantiated allegations from the same old discredited sources who brought us stories like Wushin cowushin, the "safe and effective covid vaccines", Gentle Giant 1, Gentle Giant v2.0, mostly peaceful protests, no one was forced to take the jab, Biden is mentally competent, Fetterman is mentally competent, McConnell's brain cramp is the first evidence that we've had that age limits might be prudent, etc, etc etc.

This site is rife with brainless, delusional brats and Dem/LPOC bots who just can't tell the truth to save their soul. 

[robosmith]

35 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

This site is rife with brainless, delusional brats

^Prime exhibit. Case closed.

[West]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

There are two kinds of people in this thread:

1) people who can cite relevant, established facts to make salient points and

2) people who are trying to cling desperately to another round of unsubstantiated allegations from the same old discredited sources who brought us stories like Wushin cowushin, the "safe and effective covid vaccines", Gentle Giant 1, Gentle Giant v2.0, mostly peaceful protests, no one was forced to take the jab, Biden is mentally competent, Fetterman is mentally competent, McConnell's brain cramp is the first evidence that we've had that age limits might be prudent, etc, etc etc.

This site is rife with brainless, delusional brats and Dem/LPOC bots who just can't tell the truth to save their soul. 

Alot of conspiracy folks on here

[myata]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

C'mon myata,

I'm not going impose... doesn't worth it (the time). You stated that FBI is as much as useless, and cannot be considered independent. This is a democratic institution with over a century history that was a key instrument in maintaining the rule of law. On what grounds? Because it dared to investigate the Clown?

Same can be inferred about the independent office of public attorneys. Also a key elements of the rule of law and democracy to be undermined of a whim of the Clown. If he's investigated it's "witchhunt". Wait, when did it happen that some clowns were granted lifetime immunity, in a democracy. Or just because He said so?

Not a single claim of the Clown was affirmed by a court. What, courts too? And what's left then? The Clown, forever? Indeed this is how these folks understand the word.

[Rebound]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You have a firmly established pattern of avoiding a debate about factual details and then just replying with a broad generalization which is untrue. It's because you're a worthless liar.

1) Did the FBI commit crimes or did they not?

2) Did the FBI get caught in an entrapment scheme regarding the Gretchen Whitmer case or not?

3) Did the FBI lie a whole shitload of times about both the 2016 and 2020 elections or did they not? 

4) Did several high-ranking members of the FBI get charged criminally (and plead guilty), get fired/demoted for lack of candour, bias, talking to prohibited sources, etc, or did they not?

5) Did a FISA court judge say that the FBI's malfeasance in the collusion farce was so aggregious that it cast a shroud of doubt over everything else that the FBI does, or did they not?

I'm making some very specific, very serious allegations here AGAINST THE FBI here. They should all be very easy for you to disprove. Why don't you just do that? Why do you cower behing false generalization instead?  

dumdum: after all of those lies by CNN, the Dems and the MSM, did Trump have any reason at all to believe them when they said that "a whole bunch of things were debunked, you should never ask anyone about them yourself"? Or are you the only person stupid enough to still believe them? 

I'll tell you for absolute certain that Trump had no reason at all not to check into those things himself. He would be a complete ****** if he didn't. (And if he was a ******, you'd love him. We have ample evidence of that)

 

You're too easy Boges. I'm pretty much done here unless you wanna talk about actual facts directly. 

Why are you asking us? Why don’t you tell us the facts you have, if you have any at all? 
 

For example: The FISA Judge said, “So-and-so.” With quotation marks and a hyperlink. Then we’ll know whether you’re dealing in facts or nonsense.  

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[robosmith]

8 minutes ago, myata said:

I'm not going impose... doesn't worth it (the time). You stated that FBI is as much as useless, and cannot be considered independent. This is a democratic institution with over a century history that was a key instrument in maintaining the rule of law. On what grounds? Because it dared to investigate the Clown?

Same can be inferred about the independent office of public attorneys. Also a key elements of the rule of law and democracy to be undermined of a whim of the Clown. If he's investigated it's "witchhunt". Wait, when did it happen that some clowns were granted lifetime immunity, in a democracy. Or just because He said so?

Not a single claim of the Clown was affirmed by a court. What, courts too? And what's left then? The Clown, forever? Indeed this is how these folks understand the word.

Pretending that the FBI is a hotbed of Democrats is nothing but delusional.

The vast majority of FBI agents are Republicans, including the Director.

The problem for the MAGA CULT is they are Republicans who believe in law and order, and Trump certainly DOES NOT. 

[robosmith]

10 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Why are you asking us? Why don’t you tell us the facts you have, if you have any at all? 
 

For example: The FISA Judge said, “So-and-so.” With quotation marks and a hyperlink. Then we’ll know whether you’re dealing in facts or nonsense.  

If you google "so-and-so" (substitute claimed quote), google will find no hits. 

[CrakHoBarbie]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You have a firmly established pattern of avoiding a debate about factual details and then just replying with a broad generalization which is untrue. It's because you're a worthless liar.

1) Did the FBI commit crimes or did they not?

2) Did the FBI get caught in an entrapment scheme regarding the Gretchen Whitmer case or not?

3) Did the FBI lie a whole shitload of times about both the 2016 and 2020 elections or did they not? 

4) Did several high-ranking members of the FBI get charged criminally (and plead guilty), get fired/demoted for lack of candour, bias, talking to prohibited sources, etc, or did they not?

5) Did a FISA court judge say that the FBI's malfeasance in the collusion farce was so aggregious that it cast a shroud of doubt over everything else that the FBI does, or did they not?

I'm making some very specific, very serious allegations here AGAINST THE FBI here. They should all be very easy for you to disprove. Why don't you just do that? Why do you cower behing false generalization instead?  

dumdum: after all of those lies by CNN, the Dems and the MSM, did Trump have any reason at all to believe them when they said that "a whole bunch of things were debunked, you should never ask anyone about them yourself"? Or are you the only person stupid enough to still believe them? 

I'll tell you for absolute certain that Trump had no reason at all not to check into those things himself. He would be a complete ****** if he didn't. (And if he was a ******, you'd love him. We have ample evidence of that)

 

You're too easy Boges. I'm pretty much done here unless you wanna talk about actual facts directly. 

Was Donald responsible for the fake electors?

If so, he broke the law and needs to pay his debt to society.

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-jan-6-investigation-fake-electors-608932d4771f6e2e3c5efb3fdcd8fcce&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwic2_zcgL-AAxXxIEQIHZW9DaUQFnoECAEQAg&usg=AOvVaw2BWHSJmlfuifZQIRjgE7mI

[robosmith]

9 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

Was Donald responsible for the fake electors?

If so, he broke the law and needs to pay his debt to society.

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-jan-6-investigation-fake-electors-608932d4771f6e2e3c5efb3fdcd8fcce&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwic2_zcgL-AAxXxIEQIHZW9DaUQFnoECAEQAg&usg=AOvVaw2BWHSJmlfuifZQIRjgE7mI

I believe that was Rudy's baby. Since Trump refused to pay him, he just might flip on "the boss."

[CrakHoBarbie]

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

I believe that was Rudy's baby. Since Trump refused to pay him, he just might flip on "the boss."

From the AP article below: 

"The 45-page indictment states that when Trump could not persuade state officials to illegally swing the election in his favor, he and his Republican allies began recruiting a slate of fake electors in seven battleground states — Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — to sign certificates falsely stating that he, not Democrat Joe Biden, had won their states."

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-jan-6-investigation-fake-electors-608932d4771f6e2e3c5efb3fdcd8fcce

[WestCanMan]

4 minutes ago, myata said:

I'm not going impose... doesn't worth it (the time). You stated that FBI is as much as useless, and cannot be considered independent. This is a democratic institution with over a century history that was a key instrument in maintaining the rule of law. On what grounds? Because it dared to investigate the Clown?

Are you shitting me right now?

1. The FBI committed actual, serious crimes, over and over again.
2. They exhibited an unconscionable amount of bias, even going so far as to call their investigation "an insurance policy", and saying "No, no, we'll stop it" - referring to Trump becoming president.  
3. They lied about the amount of evidence that they had and the extent to which it was verified for 3 years.
4. They pretended that the dossier was just a small part of their evidence, but that dossier, along with the false evidence about Carter Paige, was the bulk of their case. Seriously, "paying hookers to pee on a bed"? Who would report on that, leet alone make it up? 
5. The FBI had a private office with the Dems in the Perkins Coie law office, and Hillary's lawyer had a keycard to FBI headquarters. 
6. The FBI conducted a pre-dawn raid of an old man's home with CNN in tow to dramatize it all. It was a "RUSSIAN COLLUSION-RELATED ARREST!" but he was never found to have colluded at all. Contrast that arrest with their claim that they can't even say how many agents were involved in the raid at Houck's home, in front of his children, to protect secret info about their "sources and methods".  
7. The FBI arrested people for things that had nothing to do with collusion, along with a whole bunch of collusion-related indictments which never stuck, and then pretended that the successful charges were collusion-related when they weren't. Then they proceeded to offer reduced sentencing for those non-collusion-related crimes in exchange for testimony against Trump. Contrast that with Hillary's associates being granted immunity for providing the FBI with.... nothing at all. 
8. The bulk of the FBI's collusion indictments were against 13 Russians who will never set foot in America, but they just cite that huge number and pretend that it is the number of charges against Trump's American associates when it isn't. It's completely bogus. Why would the FBI do that? 
9. Their final report was full of errors and omissions (lies) and not one shred of proof that Trump colluded with anyone. How many times did Schumer say "bombshell evidence is coming out on the weekend"? 20? 

What part of that suggests that it wasn't a witch hunt to you?

And FYI, I'm not saying the FBI is useless at all, I'm saying they're criminals, election influencers, and that they are weapons in the Dems' arsenal against their political opponents.

[robosmith]

6 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

From the AP article below: 

"The 45-page indictment states that when Trump could not persuade state officials to illegally swing the election in his favor, he and his Republican allies began recruiting a slate of fake electors in seven battleground states — Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — to sign certificates falsely stating that he, not Democrat Joe Biden, had won their states."

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-jan-6-investigation-fake-electors-608932d4771f6e2e3c5efb3fdcd8fcce

That was plan F. Trump demanded that Pence adjourn the EC count for 10 days, which would violate the ECA, and send it back to the state legislatures so they could choose the fake electors.

[robosmith]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

Are you shitting me right now?

1. The FBI committed actual, serious crimes, over and over again.
2. They exhibited an unconscionable amount of bias, even going so far as to call their investigation "an insurance policy", and saying "No, no, we'll stop it" - referring to Trump becoming president.  
3. They lied about the amount of evidence that they had and the extent to which it was verified for 3 years.
4. They pretended that the dossier was just a small part of their evidence, but that dossier, along with the false evidence about Carter Paige, was the bulk of their case. Seriously, "paying hookers to pee on a bed"? Who would report on that, leet alone make it up? 
5. The FBI had a private office with the Dems in the Perkins Coie law office, and Hillary's lawyer had a keycard to FBI headquarters. 
6. The FBI conducted a pre-dawn raid of an old man's home with CNN in tow to dramatize it all. It was a "RUSSIAN COLLUSION-RELATED ARREST!" but he was never found to have colluded at all. Contrast that arrest with their claim that they can't even say how many agents were involved in the raid at Houck's home, in front of his children, to protect secret info about their "sources and methods".  
7. The FBI arrested people for things that had nothing to do with collusion, along with a whole bunch of collusion-related indictments which never stuck, and then pretended that the successful charges were collusion-related when they weren't. Then they proceeded to offer reduced sentencing for those non-collusion-related crimes in exchange for testimony against Trump. Contrast that with Hillary's associates being granted immunity for providing the FBI with.... nothing at all. 
8. The bulk of the FBI's collusion indictments were against 13 Russians who will never set foot in America, but they just cite that huge number and pretend that it is the number of charges against Trump's American associates when it isn't. It's completely bogus. Why would the FBI do that? 
9. Their final report was full of errors and omissions (lies) and not one shred of proof that Trump colluded with anyone. How many times did Schumer say "bombshell evidence is coming out on the weekend"? 20? 

What part of that suggests that it wasn't a witch hunt to you?

And FYI, I'm not saying the FBI is useless at all, I'm saying they're criminals, election influencers, and that they are weapons in the Dems' arsenal against their political opponents.

Your problem is you're taking the alleged actions of 2-3 employees and attributing what they may have done to the ENTIRE ORGANIZATION.

[CrakHoBarbie]

9 minutes ago, robosmith said:

That was plan F. Trump demanded that Pence adjourn the EC count for 10 days, which would violate the ECA, and send it back to the state legislatures so they could choose the fake electors.

So he and his co-conspirators hatched the plan, then implemented it. 

Correct?

So they broke federal law and now should pay their debts to society.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

Why are you asking us? Why don’t you tell us the facts you have, if you have any at all? 
 

For example: The FISA Judge said, “So-and-so.” With quotation marks and a hyperlink. Then we’ll know whether you’re dealing in facts or nonsense.  

Get up to speed buddy.

Boges was trying to say that I was peddling opinions as fact, so I wanna know which ones he thinks are just opinions so that I can set the record straight.

If you would like to say that you think one or some of those things is/are wrong then have the balls to do so. 

Leftards wanna make all kinds of declarative yet general/vague statements, none of you can talk about specific facts. Why is that? Why do I get to throw down the gauntlet and offer a factual debate, along with links to prove what I'm saying, and you can only snivel? 

[myata]

The indictment is about conspiracy not free speech:

Prosecutors say the group worked together and with Mr Trump to overturn the election result by pushing officials to ignore the vote count, to disenfranchise millions of voters and to replace legitimate electors with fake ones.

[SpankyMcFarland]

12 hours ago, Boges said:

People, many poor,  willing to assist a "Billionaire" with his legal troubles.  ?

 

It’s truly sad. How can people not see what Trump is? Politics is merely a means to power and money for him. 

[OftenWrong]

9 hours ago, Rebound said:

Dude, the man is charged with 78 felonies. That’s a LOT of crime.  The man was told not to do the things he did.  He knew he was breaking the law when he did these things. That’s why it’s a terrible idea to put him back into the White House. 

Still, almost half of voting Americans did vote for him. Have you told them about all that, to get them to drop their support?

Let me know how that turns out for ya.

Just a question whether these charges make him look terrible or as even more of a revolutionary, one who has the whole system after him. And now if you are the type of person who despises the system...

Not that I have any skin in this game. We Canadians have invested ourselves in microwave pop-corn, so we can just sit back, out our feet up and watch the show.  

 

 

 

[OftenWrong]

11 hours ago, Rebound said:

If he’s convicted in Georgia or New York State, even a Presidential pardon cannot help him.  

Sounds like a constitutional crisis in the works, or something.

As in Civil War 2.0, when those states announce they intend to cede from the union.

Prompted by the left's sheer outrage and contempt for The Donald.

We Canadians are investing in a lot of popcorn these days, did I mention that?

[Rebound]

7 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Sounds like a constitutional crisis in the works, or something.

As in Civil War 2.0, when those states announce they intend to cede from the union.

Prompted by the left's sheer outrage and contempt for The Donald.

We Canadians are investing in a lot of popcorn these days, did I mention that?

Donald Trump never conned me. I’ve been into him all along. When the people he’s conned finally realize they’ve been conned, they will be furious.

 

Donald is being tried:

For breaking a law Trump signed;

Investigated by a Republican FBI leader who Trump appointed;

Whose key witnesses are all Trump employees and loyalists;

By a Republican judge Trump appointed;

In front of a jury that voted for Trump by over 60%;

Edited August 3, 2023 by Rebound

[myata]

9 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

How can people not see what Trump is?

Because humans are programmable. With a small dedicated group pushing a strong consistent message with a simple solution to all problems, the majority of those exposed would either convert, or accept it tacitly go with the mob. This is human nature and politicians (generally speaking) have been using it for millennia. Only an environment of open questioning and debate can protect from slipping into totalitarianism. But partisanship works to undermine exactly that, as the society disintegrates into a can of tribes that have no trust and cannot talk to each other.