Canadian Defence News

[eyeball]

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The war started October 7 2023.

It was in all the papers. You're such a liar,

The war started over 80 years ago.

It hardly rated a blip. You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

14 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

As to the rest of your usual bullshit, lets make it quick 

Canada isn't britain.  

Correct, we were a part of Britains Empire.

17 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

There is NO EXCLUSE for the 0ctober 7 attack, no matter how much you want to cheerlead it 

Correct there was no more excuse than the attack at Deir Yassin, no matter how much you think otherwise.

19 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You have on many occasions expressed your support for hamas, as well as the attack. 

Your lack of condemnation for Irgun and Lehi says everything that needs to be said about your support for them and the illegal atrocities they committed against men, women and children.

21 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

There is only one group of people preventing peace in the middle east, and that is the palestinians. 

It is right-wing religious conservatives, from both sides, that are preventing peace.

22 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The rest is just you trying to justify your support for the terrorists and their attacks. And there is no justification for it 

Your entire shtick is based on justifying Zionist terrorists and their brutal murder of innnocent civilians.

[CdnFox]

39 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The war started over 80 years ago.

It hardly rated a blip. You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Correct, we were a part of Britains Empire.

Correct there was no more excuse than the attack at Deir Yassin, no matter how much you think otherwise.

Your lack of condemnation for Irgun and Lehi says everything that needs to be said about your support for them and the illegal atrocities they committed against men, women and children.

It is right-wing religious conservatives, from both sides, that are preventing peace.

Your entire shtick is based on justifying Zionist terrorists and their brutal murder of innnocent civilians.

The war started in 2023. It was started by Gaza and Tomas when they chose to attack Israel in a horrific terrorist attack. The attack was completely unjustified and nothing that has ever happened in the past mitigates it in any way shape or form.

The only reason you'd like to pretend differently is because somehow it justifies the attack which validates your continued support of it

We were not part of Britain. We were separate entity.

It is the left-wing religious nuts who have been raised in a culture of hatred much like your own who prevent the peace. The right Wingers would love to see peace. This means money

And I don't justify anything. I condemn the action of terrorists attacking and killing innocent people

You support the terrorists attacking and killing innocent people and try and justify it through convoluted logic claiming that somehow something that happened 80 years ago justifies a guy making a decision today to pick up a gun and shoot and burn a child and rape and kill women.

That's how you think

[WestCanMan]

15 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The war started in 2023. It was started by Gaza and Tomas when they chose to attack Israel in a horrific terrorist attack. The attack was completely unjustified and nothing that has ever happened in the past mitigates it in any way shape or form.

Eyeball wants to choose his own arbitrary start date to justify the murders of 1,200 people.

Nearly 3x as many people as were killed on Oct 7th as during "the nabka", but eyeball still gives it two thumbs up.

Don't forget to say "Happy child-burning day!!!" to eyeball every Oct 7th.

Edited December 5, 2025 by WestCanMan

[CdnFox]

13 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Eyeball wants to choose his own arbitrary start date to justify the murders of 1,200 people.

Nearly 3x as many people as were killed on Oct 7th as during "the nabka", but eyeball still gives it two thumbs up.

Don't forget to say "Happy child-burning day!!!" to eyeball every Oct 7th.

This in a nutshell. 

This event is not justified by any other event in history.  This is when this war started, and the people who started it had EVERY opportunity to decide to choose peace, and reach out and build a peaceful future for both sides and while it wouldn't happen in an instant, the israelis would have welcomed it and as trust was built a new age of prosperity could have been achieved by gaza. 

Instead they chose murder and dealth for the israeli civies they killed, followed by the death and displacement of god knows how many of their own people as they sheltered behind them. And i can only guess what kind of future they'll have now as their "country" is in rubble. 

[WestCanMan]

38 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

This event is not justified by any other event in history. 

Eyeball's brothers don't see it that way:

• "Oct. 7 is proof that we are almost free. Long live Oct. 7, long live the resistance, long live the intifada, long live every form of resistance."

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The war started in 2023. It was started by Gaza.

The attack was completely unjustified and nothing that has ever happened in the past mitigates it in any way shape or form.

The war was started some 80 years ago by Zionists. It was completely unjustified and nothing that has ever happened in the past mitigates it in any way shape or form.

The only reason you'd like to pretend differently is because somehow it justifies the attack which validates your continued support of it.

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

We were not part of Britain. We were separate entity.

That's right, we were a country within their empire. Allied more closely than just about any alliance in history.

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

It is the left-wing religious nuts who have been raised in a culture of hatred much like your own who prevent the peace. The right Wingers would love to see peace. This means money

There is no such thing as a left-wing religious nut. It's a made up term you just invented because you're big mad that it was in fact a right-wing religious nut that killed the best chance for peace. You can't get anywhere arguing with me and what it to be my fault.

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And I don't justify anything. I condemn the action of terrorists attacking and killing innocent people

Until you're shown it's your sides terrorists that started the ME down this terrible terrifying path.

Then you think it's the bees knees.

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You support the terrorists attacking and killing innocent people and try and justify it through convoluted logic claiming that somehow something that happened 80 years ago justifies a guy making a decision today to pick up a gun and shoot and burn a child and rape and kill women.

You try to justify the murder, rape, hostage taking and execution that occurred at Deir Yassin and 80 years of oppression and subjugation that followed claiming that what happened to Jews in Europe made it okay. How much longer until you're waving some mouldy olde holy book around like some right-wing religious freak?

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Nearly 3x as many people as were killed on Oct 7th as during "the nabka"

You haven't got a clue about what you're saying.

An estimated 13,000 to 16,000 Palestinians died during the 1948 Nakba, also known as the 1948 Palestine war. Other sources provide figures within this range, such as approximately 15,000 deaths. 

The casualties occurred in a series of mass atrocities and included both civilians and those who died in combat situations during the period from late 1947 to 1949. This period was characterized by: 

The forced expulsion or flight of over 750,000 Palestinians, who became refugees.

The destruction or depopulation of more than 500 Palestinian villages and towns by Zionist forces.

Dozens of documented massacres, including those in Deir Yassin, Tantura, and Lydda. 

The Nakba (Arabic for "catastrophe") is not only seen as a historical event but an ongoing process of displacement and dispossession for Palestinians.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

This in a nutshell. 

This event is not justified by any other event in history.  This is when this war started, and the people who started it had EVERY opportunity to decide to choose peace, and reach out and build a peaceful future for both sides and while it wouldn't happen in an instant, the israelis would have welcomed it and as trust was built a new age of prosperity could have been achieved by gaza. 

Instead they chose murder and dealth for the israeli civies they killed, followed by the death and displacement of god knows how many of their own people as they sheltered behind them. And i can only guess what kind of future they'll have now as their "country" is in rubble. 

The naqba is not justified by any other event in history.  This is when this war started, and the people who started it had EVERY opportunity to decide to choose peace, and reach out and build a peaceful future for both sides and while it wouldn't happen in an instant, the Palestinians would have welcomed it and as trust was built a new age of prosperity could have been achieved by gaza.

Instead Irgun, Lehi and other Zionist terror groups chose murder and death for the Palestinian civies they killed, followed by the death and displacement of another 750000 Palestinians and 80 years of even more dispossession, oppression and subjugation.

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And i can only guess what kind of future they'll have now as their "country" is in rubble. 

It's colloquially known as a Forever War. A very appropriate name given it feels like it's been going on forever and there's no end in sight.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

The war was started some 80 years ago by Zionists. It was completely unjustified and nothing that has ever happened in the past mitigates it in any way shape or form.

The only reason you'd like to pretend differently is because somehow it justifies the attack which validates your continued support of it.

That's right, we were a country within their empire. Allied more closely than just about any alliance in history.

There is no such thing as a left-wing religious nut. It's a made up term you just invented because you're big mad that it was in fact a right-wing religious nut that killed the best chance for peace. You can't get anywhere arguing with me and what it to be my fault.

Until you're shown it's your sides terrorists that started the ME down this terrible terrifying path.

Then you think it's the bees knees.

You try to justify the murder, rape, hostage taking and execution that occurred at Deir Yassin and 80 years of oppression and subjugation that followed claiming that what happened to Jews in Europe made it okay. How much longer until you're waving some mouldy olde holy book around like some right-wing religious freak?

You keep saying Deir Yassin as if it's some kind of mass atrocity that was unheard of in the ME.

107 people were killed there. Less than 1/10th of Oct 7th.

It was also only 1/5th of the massacre of Jews in 1864, before the word "Zionism" was stirring the blood lust of bigots like you. Here's a list of things that you would have enjoyed in the 1800s:

• 1830 The Persian Jewish population of Tabriz, Iran is attacked by a mob, resulting in most of the Jewish community either being killed or fleeing.^[18][19]
• 1830 The Jews of Shiraz are forced to convert to Islam.^[20][21]
• 1864 At least 500 Moroccan Jews are massacred in Marrakech and Fez.^[37][38]
• 1866 The Jews of Barforush are forcibly converted to Islam. When they are allowed to revert to Judaism thanks to French and British ambassadors, a Muslim mob kills 18 Jews, burning two of them alive.^[39][40]
• 1869 18 Tunisian Jews are killed in a pogrom and an Arab mob loots Jewish homes and stores, burns synagogues, on Jerba Island.^[44][45]
• 1875 Twenty Jews are killed by a Muslim mob in Demnat, Morocco.^[48][49][50]
• 1892 Mulla Abdullah issues a fatwa to kill all the Jews of Hamadan if they refuse to abide by Jewish restrictions. The local Persian Jews were later ordered to become Muslims or face death.^[68]
• 1897 Synagogues and Jewish homes are pillaged in Oran.^[71]
• 1897 Synagogues are ransacked and Jews are murdered in Tripolitania.^[72]

But "DEIR YASSIN WAS THE START!!!! EVERYTHING WAS GREAT BEFORE THAT!!!!" 🤣

Oh, and "80 years of subjugation and oppression" lol. You f'ing idjit. The Jews did 600 years of subjugation and oppression under the Ottomans. And by that I mean "across every square inch of the whole f'ing middle east", not just in 0.05% of it (Gaza)...

And FYI muslims in Israel aren't oppressed: they are actually more free than they are anywhere else in the ME. 

 

Eyeball, you want to condense every bit of guilt for the Palestinian wars into one or two arbitrary start dates - of minor significance - and ignore a thousand years of routine mob attacks, forced conversions, codified religious bigotry, and massacres against the Jews.

Where the F do you get your info from? Iran?  

Edited December 5, 2025 by WestCanMan

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You keep saying Deir Yassin as if it's some kind of mass atrocity that was unheard of in the ME.

No, I point to it as an act of terrorism - to people who accuse the victims of being terrorists.

 

13 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Eyeball, you want to condense every bit of guilt for the Palestinian was into one or two arbitrary start dates - of minor significance - and ignore a thousand years of routine mob attacks, forced conversions, codified religious bigotry, and massacres against the Jews.

Where the F do you get your info from? Iran?

Recent history and living memory. Deir Yassin was a profoundly evil and galvanizing event, enough that it moved Einstein to refer to it as a seminal moment that would result in catastrophe for Jews everywhere. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

The war was started some 80 years ago by Zionists. I

The war was started in October 7th 2023

We know how desperate you are to justify your hatred of the Israelis and your support of the slaughter of civilians on that date and the only way you can do that is try and claim that it's part of a larger conflict. It isn't. You're just in the wrong

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

 This is when this war started,

The war started on October 7th 2023. You're desperate attempts to try and justify your support of the murder of civilians is utterly disgusting. You are a bad person for believing it is okay to slaughter civilians and to try and cover it up by claiming it's all the fault of some other date

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No, I point to it as an act of terrorism

But then say that it was completely justified, that it was somebody following their human rights, etc etc

You 100% support the attack of October 7th and bend over backwards desperately trying to come up with some species of justification.

There is no justification. They were just bad people and you are bad for supporting them

[eyeball]

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The war was started in October 7th 2023

Nope, it all started 80 years ago.

11 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

We know how desperate you are to justify your hatred of the Israelis and your support of the slaughter of civilians on that date and the only way you can do that is try and claim that it's part of a larger conflict. It isn't. You're just in the wrong

We know how desperate you are to justify your hatred of the Palestinians and your support of the slaughter of civilians on April 9, 1948 and the only way you can do that is try and claim that it didn't start the war. It did You're just in the wrong.

14 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The war started on October 7th 2023. You're desperate attempts to try and justify your support of the murder of civilians is utterly disgusting. You are a bad person for believing it is okay to slaughter civilians and to try and cover it up by claiming it's all the fault of some other date

The war started 80 years ago. You're desperate attempts to try and justify your support of the murder of civilians is utterly disgusting. You are a bad person for believing it is okay to slaughter civilians and to try and cover it up by claiming it's all the fault of some other date

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

You haven't got a clue about what you're saying.

An estimated 13,000 to 16,000 Palestinians died during the 1948 Nakba, also known as the 1948 Palestine war. Other sources provide figures within this range, such as approximately 15,000 deaths. 

The casualties occurred in a series of mass atrocities and included both civilians and those who died in combat situations during the period from late 1947 to 1949. This period was characterized by: 

The forced expulsion or flight of over 750,000 Palestinians, who became refugees.

The destruction or depopulation of more than 500 Palestinian villages and towns by Zionist forces.

Dozens of documented massacres, including those in Deir Yassin, Tantura, and Lydda. 

The Nakba (Arabic for "catastrophe") is not only seen as a historical event but an ongoing process of displacement and dispossession for Palestinians.

You haven't got a f'ing clue what you're talking about you m0r0n.

All of the "massacres" that you're talking about add up to less than 500 people. When you cite the "16,000" figure you're including "people who joined 8 muslim countries that attacked Israel, and tried to carry out another extermination, just like the one in Pakistan 8 months earlier".

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_and_massacres_in_Mandatory_Palestine

The Deir Yassin massacre that you keep referring to is included in that list, dummy. Approx 105 people. That's 1/10th of Oct 7th. There were much larger slaughters of Jews before and after that. It's kind of normal. It was actually very normal over there. The only reason Deir Yassin is such a big deal to the muslims is because it's the first time that the Jews returned the favour. 

The total number of Arabs killed, outside of combatants, during the time frame that you cited, was less than 500. Probably an equal number of Jews were killed in that period. They were just killing each other all the time.

But look at my post above, at all the massacres in the 1800s. Clearly the Jews just started fighting back in the 1948 period that has you so adoring of the slaughters of Jews.

You wanted to start a timeline, dummy. You got it. GFYS.

 

Here's what the 1948 Palestine war means you fool:

• The war had two main phases, the first being the 1947–1948 civil war, which began on 30 November 1947,^[15] a day after the United Nations voted to adopt the Partition Plan for Palestine, which planned for the division of the territory into Jewish and Arab sovereign states. During this period, the British still maintained a declining rule over Palestine and occasionally intervened in the violence.^[16][17] Initially on the defensive, the Zionist forces switched to the offensive in April 1948.^[18][19] In anticipation of an invasion by Arab armies,^[20] they enacted Plan Dalet, an operation aimed at securing territory for the establishment of a Jewish state.^[21]

Were they wrong to anticipate an attack by a bunch of muslim armies? See for yourself, eyeball:

• on 14 May 1948, the end of the British Mandate for Palestine at midnight, and the entry of a military coalition of Arab states into the territory of Mandatory Palestine the following morning. 
•  Arab Liberation Army
•  Holy War Army
•  Al-Najjada
•  Egypt
  •  All-Palestine Protectorate (after 22 Sep 1948)
•  Transjordan
•  Syria
•  Iraq
•  Lebanon
•  Saudi Arabia
•  Yemen

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The forced expulsion or flight of over 750,000 Palestinians, who became refugees.

8 months earlier the muslims in Pakistan forced out TEN TIMES THAT MANY SIKHS AND HINDUS.

8 months earlier the muslims in Pakistan KILLED 1,500 TIMES AS MANY SIKHS AND HINDUS AS WERE KILLED IN THE "NABKA". 500 x 1,500= 750,000. 750,000 is a lot more than 500.

Still there was no 80-yr grudge against Pakistan. The countries on that list above, who were so enraged about the formation of Israel that they went to war with Israel on day 1 of their existence, found a way to forgive Pakistan almost as quickly as they went to war against Israel:

Egypt and Pakistan established embassies in each other countries in 1948. 

Jordan and Pakistan established embassies in each other countries in 1948. 

Jordan and Pakistan established embassies in each other countries in 1947. 

Lebanon and Pakistan established embassies in each other countries in 1948. 

Saudi Arabia and Pakistan established embassies in each other countries in 1947. 

Iran didn't formally join that war, but Iran and Pakistan established embassies in each other countries on the day that Pakistan was still busy slaughtering 750,000 Sikhs and Hindus. 

But, for some reason, an 80-yr grudge against Israel makes sense to you, because of "Deir Yassin". 105 people of Deir Yassin are more important than 750,000 Sikhs and Hindus killed 8 months earlier.

Too bad Israel didn't know about the importance of slaughtering those people 8 months earlier, so that it could ave been forgiven by Iran and Egypt instantly. They could have avoided 80 years of trouble.  🤣

[eyeball]

14 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

But then say that it was completely justified, that it was somebody following their human rights, etc etc

No you're justifying Deir Yassin by saying the people who were massacred there had no rights.

The terrorists who denied their rights had your support.

17 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You 100% support the attack of October 7th and bend over backwards desperately trying to come up with some species of justification.

You 100% support the attack of April 9th and bend over backwards desperately trying to come up with some species of justification.

19 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

There is no justification. They were just bad people and you are bad for supporting them

There is no justification. They were just bad people and you are bad for supporting them

[eyeball]

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

All of the "massacres" that you're talking about add up to less than 500 people.

If you're in for a penny you're in for a pound. Besides which the Great Powers who were either allies of Zionists or caved to them knew better than to encourage never mind arm them.

Britain was responsible for protecting Palestinians from Zionists and they didn't resulting in a catastrophe and Forever Ear 

And don't forget the Canadian who penned the Palestinian Partition Plan also wrote against 'one too many Jews' coming to Canada.

 

[BeaverFever]

On 12/1/2025 at 5:40 PM, BeaverFever said:

Ministers Lightbound, McGuinty and Secretary of State Fuhr to announce a strategic partnership to strengthen the Canadian Armed Forces Arctic operations

From: Public Services and Procurement Canada

Media advisory

December 1, 2025  - Gatineau, Quebec   

The Honourable Joël Lightbound, Minister of Government Transformation, Public Works and Procurement, the Honourable David McGuinty, Minister of National Defence, and the Honourable Stephen Fuhr, Secretary of State (Defence Procurement), will announce a strategic partnership to support domestic and continental operations in the Arctic.

There will be a media availability following the announcement.

Please note that all details are subject to change. All times are local.

Date: December 3, 2025
Time: 9:00 a.m.
Location: Ottawa, Ontario

Postponed to December 9.
 

I wonder if that had anything to do with the Carney/Trump meeting that ended up getting scheduled for today?  Perhaps they thought whatever they’re announcing would antagonize Trump?

[suds]

In my opinion, this isn't a war between Palestinians and Jews, but between Islamism and Zionism. The main cause being Palestine (and Jerusalem in particular). And if that isn't it, then none of the Islamic majority countries that were involved in all these wars wouldn't have gotten involved. Are the Jews really conquerors and oppressors when they're so badly outnumbered, or even colonizers when they populated the area 3000 years ago 1500 years before Islam was even introduced to the area? Since being expelled from the land by the Romans 2000 years ago, it's the Jews who have been the oppressed, while Islam has been conquering and being oppressors for the last 1500. So what's the difference between Islamism and Zionism? Why does the left always seem to give Islamism a pass while calling out Zionism as something evil? 

[Venandi]

 

31 minutes ago, suds said:

In my opinion, this isn't a war between Palestinians and Jews, but between Islamism and Zionism.

Its morphed from an ethnic struggle over land into a winner takes all religious battle.

Hamas has religious objectives and not political ones... there is no negotiating with them. That's why the history here is irrelevant.

20 hours ago, eyeball said:

The war started over 80 years ago.

How's the time machine coming?

Without it your observations are interesting from an academic perspective but little else. You can negotiate with political objectives... but not religious ones. 

I've used the murderous ex-husband of your current fiancé as an example of the difficulty here; his history of childhood abuse may be something to sympathize with but it doesn't help your current dilemma, he gets out of jail next week. 

If you can't fix that with history you sure as hell can't fix this with it either.

Edited December 5, 2025 by Venandi

[eyeball]

23 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Its morphed from an ethnic struggle over land into a winner takes all religious battle.

Even worse it's been subsumed into a left vs right Eternal War.

25 minutes ago, Venandi said:

How's the time machine coming?

Good apparently, Al Jazeera used one to go produce it's documentary on how empty Palestine wasn't.

28 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Without it your observations are interesting from an academic perspective but little else. You can negotiate with political objectives... but not religious ones. 

I've used the murderous ex-husband of your current fiancé as an example of the difficulty here; his history of childhood abuse may be something to sympathize with but it doesn't help your current dilemma, he gets out of jail next week. 

Is your objective here political or just crazy?

[Venandi]

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Even worse it's been subsumed into a left vs right Eternal War.

Only outside the theatre and mostly by opinionated people who have never been there.

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Al Jazeera used one to go produce it's documentary on how empty Palestine wasn't.

How are your combined efforts working out?

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Is your objective here political or just crazy?

I'm going to bet that you are one of the opinionated political zealots who haven't been there. Do you really think that Hamas objectives are political and thus negotiable?

Edited December 5, 2025 by Venandi

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, Venandi said:

Only outside the theatre and mostly by opinionated people who have never been there.

I can access media accounts from Israel that describe acrimonious unabiding division between progressive and conservative actors. Any reason why I need to be there to verify them? Why is this reflected so much in political discourse here?

4 minutes ago, Venandi said:

How are your combined efforts working out?

They're certainly keeping you folks triggered.

6 minutes ago, Venandi said:

You haven't actually been there, have you?

Einstein was. Is there any reason I should doubt the veracity of what he reported seeing?

[Venandi]

 

25 minutes ago, eyeball said:

They're certainly keeping you folks triggered.

Only in your mind, I'm retired.

25 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Einstein was. Is there any reason I should doubt the veracity of what he reported seeing?

With the advent of Hamas things are different, more brutal and more religious.

Unless you are prepared to outline how you would negotiate with a brutal regime with hard core religious objectives I really have nothing you. I never get a response to that and for the record, I have no idea how to do it successfully while Hamas is in power.

Hamas will never be a partner for peace, they're actually a barrier to achieving it... they will never negotiate legitimate political objectives.

You're calling people crazy here so you must have gleaned some insights from those "media accounts,' I'd like to hear how you would approach it. 

 

 

Edited December 5, 2025 by Venandi

[eyeball]

9 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Unless you are prepared to outline how you would negotiate with a brutal regime with hard core religious objectives I really have nothing you.

I never get a response to that and for the record, I have no idea how to do it successfully while Hamas is in power.

You also have to get rid of the brutal religious regime in Israel.

[User]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You also have to get rid of the brutal religious regime in Israel.

Once again, you are not interested in peace, only hating Israel and seeing them destroyed.