Trump is Heading to Prison

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, BeaverFever said:

When he became POTUS the medical records that were made public mentioned a hernia operation he once had but no bone spur operation.
 

not entirely surprising. Older records are not reliably kept.

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Also note the children of the doctor who faked the medical note and who was a tenant of Fred Trump came forward 

So not the doctor, but some kids who stood to make a lot of money from the story. gotcha.  Oh and they were 3 and 5 at the time.  But it's 'family lore' that they ALWAYS talked about all the time.

You don't smell the bullshit there? Because most people could smell the bullshit there.

 

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Also note Trump claimed that during these years he was one the best athletes in new york in a variety of sports…sure doesn’t sound like some poindexter in non-existent orthopaedic shoes that you just made up now  

Sure - he never exaggerates.

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ALSO as I understand it bone spurs don’t just appear out of nowhere so why DOD he only get a deferment for them conveniently when he ran out of student deferments  

They absolutely do and frequently get undiagnosed for years. That's a simple truth. And like most medical conditions they can be very serious or fairly minor.  They may just present as foot pain you can control with pain killers.  Not all bone spurs actually are even a problem.

/https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/bone-spurs/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20370216

If your bone spurs cause pain, your doctor might recommend over-the-counter pain relievers, such as acetaminophen (Tylenol, others), ibuprofen (Advil, Motrin IB, others) or naproxen sodium (Aleve, others).

 

Here's some facts you might be interested in:

https://www.orlandohealth.com/content-hub/do-bone-spurs-always-need-surgery

Why Do Bone Spurs Form? 

Contributing factors that cause bone spurs to form include: 

 

● Prolonged joint stress and impact. This is frequently seen in runners and athletes who jump in their sport, putting repetitive stress on joints and strains on tendons.

Hmmm - you said he was an athlete in school?

Bone Spurs Are Painful – Or Not

One misconception associated with bone spurs is that they always cause pain. In fact, many times a bone spur will go undiscovered until seen on an X-ray for a different issue. Even if a bump is visible, the spur is often asymptomatic. 

 

So when people say there's "no way" he could possibly have played tennis wiht one...  yeah that's just not true.  They don't always cause pain or even get noticed.  You might have one and not be aware.

So the doc may have found one in an examination that was causing no pain or trouble - BUT just having one is an excuse to get out of the army.

Seriously - there's so many legitimate  issues with trump that it just makes you REEK of desperation trying to sell this stuff.

He most likely has a bone spur. It's most likely minimal and asymptomatic, but enough to get him out of the army.

[Aristides]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

It's nothing compared to the military - and people with bone spurs play tennis all the time. You wear orthopedic shoes that are easy on the heels and you can manage the pain with painkillers.  Sorry. But it's an instant disqualification for the military.

Listen to yourself.  You two are trying to pass off a rumour as absolute fact and making nonsense comparisons that playing tennis in orthotic shoes is the same as marching into combat with gear. You're THAT desperate to find something, ANYTHING to complain about trump wiht that you've lowered yourselves that far.

Feel free to join us back here on planet earth anytime.

Speaking as someone who has had plantar fasciitis, there is no way you could play tennis with bone spurs.

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Speaking as someone who has had plantar fasciitis, there is no way you could play tennis with bone spurs.

That's really not an inteilligent thing to say. Are you claiming that your situation is the ONLY way it presents? That the mayo clinic and the orlando facility i quoted from are lying when they say many examples don't even have symptoms? EVERYONE who has a bone spur MUST have the same experience as you right?

Tell me your being dishonest in your discussion without telling me

[Aristides]

44 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

That's really not an inteilligent thing to say. Are you claiming that your situation is the ONLY way it presents? That the mayo clinic and the orlando facility i quoted from are lying when they say many examples don't even have symptoms? EVERYONE who has a bone spur MUST have the same experience as you right?

Tell me your being dishonest in your discussion without telling me

I think you are the one being dishonest, but then it is Trump.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Nope not at all, Dumbass 

Here's your stupid quote:

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No you just don’t know what you’re talking about and are grasping at random straws . You don’t seize territory via airstrike and quantity of airstrike does not equal quantity of territory seized or quantity of fighters killed   If every single one of those airstrikes had missed its target or were duds or just pointless distractions by a president who didn’t know what else to do, your little airstrike chart would look exactly the same. So it’s pretty ridiculous to think it somehow proves anything. 

"Twump di-int do nuffin' in siwia. Obamy wibewatid siwia. A skolar shoed it on a map."

Obama was more worried about the reputation of islam than getting rid of islamic state. His plan to make them retreat sucked. Surrounding them and killing them all was a much more effective strategy. isis recruitment sucked once they started dying instead of committing genocide. 

[WestCanMan]

21 hours ago, Nationalist said:

 

In the meantime...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/monday-volga-dnepr-cargo-plane-forfeiture-ukraine-1.6873277

Unbelievable...

?

Trudeau standing up to Putin is like Jake Paul calling Mike Tyson a "fa--ot ni---r" to his face. It only ends one way. 

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

That's really not an inteilligent thing to say. Are you claiming that your situation is the ONLY way it presents? That the mayo clinic and the orlando facility i quoted from are lying when they say many examples don't even have symptoms? EVERYONE who has a bone spur MUST have the same experience as you right?

Tell me your being dishonest in your discussion without telling me

If the bone spurs presented no symptoms then why get a draft deferment?

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

I think you are the one being dishonest, but then it is Trump.

Being dishonest by posting proof from two major medical centers? 

Do you feel that's a rational position? Then again its trump.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Rebound said:

If the bone spurs presented no symptoms then why get a draft deferment?

they can grow worse with exertion according to the medical sites.  I would guess that military service can involve exertion   If it became symptomatic while you were fighting that would be a problem.

[Nationalist]

16 hours ago, Rebound said:

Funny how you guys think Trump is so competent, yet he couldn’t get his Justice Department to file a single charge against Hillary Clinton (as he promised) or Joe Biden, even though the clowns think they broke the law.  

Why is that? Trump even got impeached because he illegally attempted to get a foreign nation to help him dig up dirt on Biden. But not one single charge?  Pretty incompetent leader! 

Which is a major part of the Libbie failing. Today's Libbies is more concerned with being anti-Trump, than they are with being pro-America.

[Rebound]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Which is a major part of the Libbie failing. Today's Libbies is more concerned with being anti-Trump, than they are with being pro-America.

Pro-Americans defend the US Capitol and the US Congress, and the prosecute the attackers.

Anti-Americans attack the US Capitol and US Congress, and defend the attackers. 

[Nationalist]

29 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Pro-Americans defend the US Capitol and the US Congress, and the prosecute the attackers.

Anti-Americans attack the US Capitol and US Congress, and defend the attackers. 

Well its convenient for you to boil this down to one event...that was sort of a deflated "insurrection".

But for those of us who have developed the ability to actually think on more than a single level...This explanation of yours is rather...elementary.

BTW...just curious but...in your learned opinion...does pro-American include shooting unarmed female military veterans in the throat? I just wanna make sure I know what we be talkin' 'bout here.

[Rebound]

11 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Well its convenient for you to boil this down to one event...that was sort of a deflated "insurrection".

But for those of us who have developed the ability to actually think on more than a single level...This explanation of yours is rather...elementary.

BTW...just curious but...in your learned opinion...does pro-American include shooting unarmed female military veterans in the throat? I just wanna make sure I know what we be talkin' 'bout here.

I think anti-American is your insistence that the people who were violently beating and spraying and attacking Federal police officers, and threatening to harm US Congressmen were somehow in the right.  They were not. Over 900 have been convicted of crimes for their actions that day, and the woman who was shot would have been convicted as well.  
 

What surprises me is that law enforcement that day showed extraordinary restraint.  They were well within the law to open fire with automatic weapons to protect the Congressmen who were clearly in fear for their lives.  

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

Pro-Americans defend the US Capitol and the US Congress, and the prosecute the attackers.

Anti-Americans attack the US Capitol and US Congress, and defend the attackers. 

Anti americans also attack us cities and do billions in damage.

The RIght correctly spoke out against the capital rioters who were a tiny handful of people.  And without caveate.

The left praised the rioters and even when they did speak out they would say "yes yes, shouldn't burn cities.. BUT.... "

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

I think anti-American is your insistence that the people who were violently beating and spraying and attacking Federal police officers, and threatening to harm US Congressmen were somehow in the right.  They were not. Over 900 have been convicted of crimes for their actions that day, and the woman who was shot would have been convicted as well.  
 

What surprises me is that law enforcement that day showed extraordinary restraint.  They were well within the law to open fire with automatic weapons to protect the Congressmen who were clearly in fear for their lives.  

As insurrections go...this was either the most poorly executed one in world history, or it simply was not...an insurrection. I can't excuse the fights with cops, nor the breaking of windows and doors. That's assault of a peace officer and vandalism. Yet...tens of thousands of Americans came from all over the nation, to express their doubts in the results being posted for that election and in my opinion, they had more than just cause to be leery. What you Libbies have attempted to do is make the disbelief of the election results...a crime. That's quite authoritarian.

You think the police were within their rights to open fire on the protesters. Again...quite authoritarian. And I would point out that I highly doubt that were the military or police, ordered to fire on American citizens...they would do so. Instead I think they would stand down. In fact...its my understanding that one or two of the "whistleblowers" interviewed by Congress, were ordered to engage in "crowd control" that day...and stood down anyway.

Thus...Its safe to say that your opinion is quite anti-American and very authoritarian.

Edited June 15, 2023 by Nationalist

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

As insurrections go...this was either the most poorly executed one in world history, or it simply was not...an insurrection. I can't excuse the fights with cops, nor the breaking of windows and doors. That's assault of a peace officer and vandalism. Yet...tens of thousands of Americans came from all over the nation, to express their doubts in the results being posted for that election and in my opinion, they had more than just cause to be leery. What you Libbies have attempted to do is make the disbelief of the election results...a crime. That's quite authoritarian.

You think the police were within their rights to open fire on the protesters. Again...quite authoritarian. And I would point out that I highly doubt that were the military or police, ordered to fire on American citizens...they would do so. Instead I think they would stand down. In fact...its my understanding that one or two of the "whistleblowers" interviewed by Congress, were ordered to engage in "crowd control" that day...and stood down anyway.

Thus...It’s safe to say that your opinion is quite anti-American and very authoritarian.

The House and Senate chambers were overrun and the office of the Speaker of the House was ransacked.  Many members of Congress were in fear for their lives and I believe that if Nancy Pelosi or AOC were caught in those mobs they would have been killed.  After seeing how those policemen were attacked, I don’t think the 80 year-old Pelosi would have survived.  
 

The Constitution and the Law say that the electoral votes must be approved ONLY on January 6.  No other day is allowed. The rioters (not the protesters, the rioters) was to keep Trump in power.  They thought it was the Storm and that was their goal.  

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, Rebound said:

The House and Senate chambers were overrun and the office of the Speaker of the House was ransacked.  Many members of Congress were in fear for their lives and I believe that if Nancy Pelosi or AOC were caught in those mobs they would have been killed.  After seeing how those policemen were attacked, I don’t think the 80 year-old Pelosi would have survived.  
 

The Constitution and the Law say that the electoral votes must be approved ONLY on January 6.  No other day is allowed. The rioters (not the protesters, the rioters) was to keep Trump in power.  They thought it was the Storm and that was their goal.  

And they were SO bent on it... they didn't bring guns or anything.

Makes sense.

[Nationalist]

13 minutes ago, Rebound said:

The House and Senate chambers were overrun and the office of the Speaker of the House was ransacked.  Many members of Congress were in fear for their lives and I believe that if Nancy Pelosi or AOC were caught in those mobs they would have been killed.  After seeing how those policemen were attacked, I don’t think the 80 year-old Pelosi would have survived. 

From what I saw, the House and Senate Chambers were opened up by the police, who then escorted a number of them in for a look-see. They trashed a few things...sat in Nancy's treasured seat (How DARE they!) and left.

AOC...contrary to her initial reaction of sheer terror for her life...just happened to be a few blocks away at the time. Stupid her. As for Pelosi...lol...ya you might have a point there. Gee...think ol' wrinkly had a bit of guilty feelings right about then? But in all honesty...I doubt that mob would have even touched Pelosi. I think they just wanted to scream their extreme displeasure to her, right in her face. To tell her what they think of her. Frankly...I'd think Schiff would have been beaten but...ya...that's just my take on it.

22 minutes ago, Rebound said:

The Constitution and the Law say that the electoral votes must be approved ONLY on January 6.  No other day is allowed. The rioters (not the protesters, the rioters) was to keep Trump in power.  They thought it was the Storm and that was their goal.  

I don't think that's exactly what the Constitution say but whatever. These PROTESTERS...had their say. Hell they had their say and then some. And that was necessary. They didn't burn anything down. They didn't kill anyone. They didn't touch a hair on the heads of any governmental representative. They sort of...broke into The People's House...and expressed their anger and disbelief in the election results.

And every time anyone questions the "new rules" for that election and points out that is where most of the "cheating" would have happened, the Libbie response is, "But The Rona!".  To most people, that's a very thin and nonsensical excuse. They knew it would invite cheating...they saw evidence of that cheating...and they voiced their opinions and disgust in the entire process. After watching RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA and all the other BS the Democrats were engaged in...they all...we all...had every bloody right to disbelieve what was being passed off as a clean and valid election result.!

 

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

From what I saw, the House and Senate Chambers were opened up by the police, who then escorted a number of them in for a look-see. They trashed a few things...sat in Nancy's treasured seat (How DARE they!) and left.

AOC...contrary to her initial reaction of sheer terror for her life...just happened to be a few blocks away at the time. Stupid her. As for Pelosi...lol...ya you might have a point there. Gee...think ol' wrinkly had a bit of guilty feelings right about then? But in all honesty...I doubt that mob would have even touched Pelosi. I think they just wanted to scream their extreme displeasure to her, right in her face. To tell her what they think of her. Frankly...I'd think Schiff would have been beaten but...ya...that's just my take on it.

I don't think that's exactly what the Constitution say but whatever. These PROTESTERS...had their say. Hell they had their say and then some. And that was necessary. They didn't burn anything down. They didn't kill anyone. They didn't touch a hair on the heads of any governmental representative. They sort of...broke into The People's House...and expressed their anger and disbelief in the election results.

And every time anyone questions the "new rules" for that election and points out that is where most of the "cheating" would have happened, the Libbie response is, "But The Rona!".  To most people, that's a very thin and nonsensical excuse. They knew it would invite cheating...they saw evidence of that cheating...and they voiced their opinions and disgust in the entire process. After watching RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA and all the other BS the Democrats were engaged in...they all...we all...had every bloody right to disbelieve what was being passed off as a clean and valid election result.!

 

Well as we know, Pelosi WASN'T attacked on that day

But her husband was some time later. Almost killed  By a Left Winger.

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

Well as we know, Pelosi WASN'T attacked on that day

But her husband was some time later. Almost killed  By a Left Winger.

True.

And one must wonder...why was he camping out in Paul's back yard? I saw pictures of a sleeping bag and stuff there. And oh...would this be the same guy Paul had with him, who ran away when Paul got into his drunken car accident?

[Rebound]

32 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

From what I saw, the House and Senate Chambers were opened up by the police, who then escorted a number of them in for a look-see. They trashed a few things...sat in Nancy's treasured seat (How DARE they!) and left.

AOC...contrary to her initial reaction of sheer terror for her life...just happened to be a few blocks away at the time. Stupid her. As for Pelosi...lol...ya you might have a point there. Gee...think ol' wrinkly had a bit of guilty feelings right about then? But in all honesty...I doubt that mob would have even touched Pelosi. I think they just wanted to scream their extreme displeasure to her, right in her face. To tell her what they think of her. Frankly...I'd think Schiff would have been beaten but...ya...that's just my take on it.

I don't think that's exactly what the Constitution say but whatever. These PROTESTERS...had their say. Hell they had their say and then some. And that was necessary. They didn't burn anything down. They didn't kill anyone. They didn't touch a hair on the heads of any governmental representative. They sort of...broke into The People's House...and expressed their anger and disbelief in the election results.

And every time anyone questions the "new rules" for that election and points out that is where most of the "cheating" would have happened, the Libbie response is, "But The Rona!".  To most people, that's a very thin and nonsensical excuse. They knew it would invite cheating...they saw evidence of that cheating...and they voiced their opinions and disgust in the entire process. After watching RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA and all the other BS the Democrats were engaged in...they all...we all...had every bloody right to disbelieve what was being passed off as a clean and valid election result.!

 

People did die. 
Let me educate you: If you beat someone, or if you run someone over, and they die as a result, you can be charged in their death.  
 

Witnesses said a police officer was repeatedly near sprayed and beaten, so badly that he was unconscious and his face was completely white.  He died from a stroke the next day. Had someone been guilty of attacking Sicknick, that person would have faced at least manslaughter charges, if not murder. That’s how the law works.  

 

BTW, the US Constitution 20th Amendment says the Congress must be sworn in on January 3 and THAT new Congress must count the electoral votes on January 6 per US Federal Code 3 sec 15.

Edited June 15, 2023 by Rebound

[Aristides]

27 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Well as we know, Pelosi WASN'T attacked on that day

But her husband was some time later. Almost killed  By a Left Winger.

Left Winger?

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DePape had a history of mental health issues and drug abuse; before the attack, he had embraced various far-right conspiracy theories, including QAnon, Pizzagate, and Donald Trump's false claims of a stolen election in 2020. Online, he made conspiratorial, racist, sexist, and antisemitic posts, and pushed COVID-19 vaccine misinformation. His blog also contained delusional thoughts.

 

[Nationalist]

10 minutes ago, Rebound said:

People did die. 
Let me educate you: If you beat someone, or if you run someone over, and they die as a result, you can be charged in their death.  
 

Witnesses said a police officer was repeatedly near sprayed and beaten, so badly that he was unconscious and his face was completely white.  He died from a stroke the next day. Had someone been guilty of attacking Sicknick, that person would have faced at least manslaughter charges, if not murder. That’s how the law works.  

Witnesses say? There's how many hours of of video and all you can come up with is, "witnesses say"?

Heresay is not admissible as evidence. I believe that is how the US law works?

3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Left Winger?

 

Aaannnd...it looks like he was sleeping out in Paul's backyard.

[Rebound]

7 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Witnesses say? There's how many hours of of video and all you can come up with is, "witnesses say"?

Heresay is not admissible as evidence. I believe that is how the US law works?

US Capitol Police Officer Caroline Edwards stated this under oath before the January 6 Committee.  

At 42:15 in this video:

 

[Aristides]

14 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

 

Aaannnd...it looks like he was sleeping out in Paul's backyard.

Maybe you should do a little research on the guy that doesn't involve YouTube.