Budweiser hires trans spokesperson and the right loses their mind

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, robosmith said:

What makes you believe ^this is NOT SOP?

Because it isn't. Read up on what SOP is in these cases. They currently feel the best way to treat it is to lean into the mental health issue and "affirm' thier gender of choice hoping that will reduce their tensions and allow them to lead a semi normal life.  But there's not a lot of evidence that says they will.

[Army Guy]

On 4/15/2023 at 4:08 PM, BeaverFever said:

I disagree that they’re “sticking their feet into a new social space”.   

1) Most brands and companies do promos with social influencers as part of their viral marketing efforts …probably dozens and dozens of them going on at going on at any given time.  

2) These influencers are not the entire brand…its not like bud fired all its spokespeople and influencers and is 100% marketing through this trans person. Think of how much they spend on the irregular Super Bowl ads  national TV campaigns etc….this one social media deal probably cost them less than the catering bill for the meeting where they decided wheee the deal was decided. I never would have even heard of this campaign or influencer if conservatives weren’t screaming about it and I bet neither would you   Its not even like Bud is forcing anyone to see adds with thia tranny while you’re watching your favourite Tv (not that such a thing would be the end of the world either, Ims just showing how conservatives have blown it all out of proportion   AFIAK unless you’re following trans influencers on social media you never would have ever seen this promo  

 

3)  So what is the conservative outrage exactly?  Companies are free to do deals with as many social influencers as they want but must black list and exclude trans people and not market products to them?  

 

SO have they used this direction before, has any major manufacture used this direction before with sucess...so it is a new social space...do you think this would have happened 10 or 20 years ago..

It was a PR thing they tried it and it failed to the tune of 6 billion dollars, do they continue to use the same person, who knows who cares it is their money... but lets be clear, they are a company and they do have share holders, and if the losses continue i would bet you will see a change of direction....

This is not just a conservative thing, the left can also be racist, homophobic as anyone...but you got your blinders and have to point your fingers at someone....and presume that all conservatives have share the same opinions, lots of conservatives on this platform that do not share all the same conservative opinions, Michael, Moonbox, EXFlyer, and plenty more or are you painting them as homophobic as well.... ...lets paint everyone with the same brush...

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Advertising is NEVER about FORCE.

Advertising is entirely about force, one way or another. It seeks to compel action.

And nothing wrong with that really. But - that's not what i referred to. This isn't really about the advertising, at least not in the traditional sense. And people will very much feel that they're being pressured to accept transgenderism and a good thing by choosing to drink the beer if the beer is supporting this.

So you're being 'forced' to choose - if you want the beer accept transgenderism and if you don't accept it you shouldn't drink this beer.

And people are getting mad.  Frankly a lot of people are sick of the intersectional wars and the culture war

[Army Guy]

12 minutes ago, robosmith said:

What makes you believe ^this is NOT SOP?

It was brought up by another poster, that suicide or it's attempts for being in the wrong gender trapped in someone else body is often used as the prime excuse to go through the entire process... And if that is true, then their is a mental health issue that needs to be fixed first before anything happens ... their are lots of cases of people that have gone through this tranisition and regretted it later, or transitioned back, proving the entire system has flaws in it, or not 100 % accurate. And while it may be SOP in some places, as laws and procedures differ in states or provinces as you suggest it does not mean it is happening. 

[Army Guy]

On 4/15/2023 at 2:59 PM, CrakHoBarbie said:

As Ive already shown you, their stock has rebounded and they have not dismissed the trans spokesperson. Thus, it is readily apparent that bud and Ms. Mulvaney have weathered this blip with ease.

 

Got it but i replied to both posts at the same time, before i read your post... and while stocks have rebounded, this issue is still in it's infancy so more to watch...Other social influences are still upset and continue to make their own content...

[robosmith]

36 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Because it isn't. Read up on what SOP is in these cases. They currently feel the best way to treat it is to lean into the mental health issue and "affirm' thier gender of choice hoping that will reduce their tensions and allow them to lead a semi normal life.  But there's not a lot of evidence that says they will.

So ^this is ONLY YOUR OPINION since you have NO evidence.

[robosmith]

33 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Advertising is entirely about force, one way or another. It seeks to compel action.

Only seeks to PERSUADE action, NOT FORCE IT.

 

[robosmith]

29 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

It was brought up by another poster, that suicide or it's attempts for being in the wrong gender trapped in someone else body is often used as the prime excuse to go through the entire process... And if that is true, then their is a mental health issue that needs to be fixed first before anything happens ... their are lots of cases of people that have gone through this tranisition and regretted it later, or transitioned back, proving the entire system has flaws in it, or not 100 % accurate. And while it may be SOP in some places, as laws and procedures differ in states or provinces as you suggest it does not mean it is happening. 

Seems like it is entirely unethical to proceed with any significant elective surgery without mental evaluation.

As confirmed by the policy at Johns Hopkins.

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If you are ready to move forward with a gender affirming surgery, you will need to have a mental health surgical readiness letter. This letter is needed by the Johns Hopkins Center for Transgender Health (JHCTH) and your insurance.

 

[CdnFox]

20 minutes ago, robosmith said:

So ^this is ONLY YOUR OPINION since you have NO evidence.

THERE is MUCH EvIdEnCe.  As I  SUGGESTED, Read Up ON RECOMMENDED tReATmenTs.

I realize that reading is hard for you, but this will be good experience. Take frequenet breaks and use asprin if you have to.

[CdnFox]

20 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Only seeks to PERSUADE action, NOT FORCE IT.

 

perSUASION and FOrCe aRe EXtremeLY SiMiLaR.

In essence force is power made operative against resistance; exertion. Persuasion is the same thing, but specifically using arguments only. It's just a more specific term for the same thing. You're trying to put pressure on someone to take action.

And that's why we use pretty girls to sell things like beer.

But as noted - it wasn't the advertising component that was the issue of force here.

[robosmith]

33 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

THERE is MUCH EvIdEnCe.  As I  SUGGESTED, Read Up ON RECOMMENDED tReATmenTs.

I realize that reading is hard for you, but this will be good experience. Take frequenet breaks and use asprin if you have to.

Until you post evidence HERE (like I HAVE), it is ONLY your OPINION.

[robosmith]

29 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

perSUASION and FOrCe aRe EXtremeLY SiMiLaR.

In essence force is power made operative against resistance; exertion. Persuasion is the same thing, but specifically using arguments only. It's just a more specific term for the same thing. You're trying to put pressure on someone to take action.

And that's why we use pretty girls to sell things like beer.

But as noted - it wasn't the advertising component that was the issue of force here.

^NOT EVEN CLOSE to the TRUTH. Apparently you don't know what persuasion is. LMAO

[CdnFox]

Just now, robosmith said:

Until you post evidence HERE (like I HAVE), it is ONLY your OPINION.

Why? Are you saying you can't look things up on your own? You are unable to inform yourself? If i don't do it for you then you'll REMAIN uneducated and ignorant?

Wow - Well if that's the case it kind of feels like i should be charging you

[CdnFox]

Just now, robosmith said:

^NOT EVEN CLOSE to the TRUTH. Apparently you don't know what persuasion is. LMAO

well the dictionary does and it agrees with me. Sorry kiddo

[robosmith]

Just now, CdnFox said:

Why? Are you saying you can't look things up on your own? You are unable to inform yourself? If i don't do it for you then you'll REMAIN uneducated and ignorant?

Wow - Well if that's the case it kind of feels like i should be charging you

No, you're completely free to post ONLY YOUR OPINION. But there is no reason for me to confirm what YOU CANNOT.

[robosmith]

Just now, CdnFox said:

well the dictionary does and it agrees with me. Sorry kiddo

No reason to believe ^this OPINION.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

No, you're completely free to post ONLY YOUR OPINION. But there is no reason for me to confirm what YOU CANNOT.

So you can't do it. I get it. You are both unable and unwilling to educate yourself and need me to do it for you.

Man, that must be a pretty sad way to live. I do feel badly for you. I've always been able to look stuff up on my own, i can't imagine what that's like for you.

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Advertising is entirely about force, one way or another. It seeks to compel action.

And nothing wrong with that really. But - that's not what i referred to. This isn't really about the advertising, at least not in the traditional sense. And people will very much feel that they're being pressured to accept transgenderism and a good thing by choosing to drink the beer if the beer is supporting this.

So you're being 'forced' to choose - if you want the beer accept transgenderism and if you don't accept it you shouldn't drink this beer.

And people are getting mad.  Frankly a lot of people are sick of the intersectional wars and the culture war

Who is forcing  you to buy Bud Lite? Get real.

[Legato]

6 hours ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

trans·pho·bic

/ˌtranzˈfōbik/

adjective

having or showing a dislike of or strong prejudice against transgender people.

A phobia is an anxiety disorder defined by a persistent and excessive fear of an object or situation.

Anyone here frightened of trans people. No, didn't think so

[CrakHoBarbie]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

, this issue is still in it's infancy so more to watch...

There has always been a portion of American society that sees trans folk as an abomination. But, we are seeing society becoming more accepting of trans folk in general..... This has been happening incrementally over decades.... On a similar path as acceptance of homosexuals. I do believe we will get there eventually..... 

But we certainly aren't there yet.

[CrakHoBarbie]

4 minutes ago, Legato said:

A phobia is an anxiety disorder defined by a persistent and excessive fear of an object or situation.

Anyone here frightened of trans people. No, didn't think so

I gave you the dictionary definition. I see you've chosen to ignore reality, which you are certainly free to do. But your ignorance of reality does not change reality. It just appeases your willingness to remain ignorant.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

No reason to believe ^this OPINION.

No reason not to either. And no - it's a fact. You can verify the fact yourself or not, up to you.

Well - i suppose seeing as you can't look up anything on your own maybe you can't. Sucks to be you,

[CrakHoBarbie]

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

 

Well - i suppose seeing as you can't look up anything on your own maybe you can't. Sucks to be you,

It is considered bad form to make a claim on a public forum, then expect someone else to prove that claim for you. 

If you cannot prove your own claim, through citations, just admit you were wrong, or admit your claim is only opinion, and move forward.

Edited April 17, 2023 by CrakHoBarbie

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

It is considered bad form to make a claim on a public forum, then expect someone else to prove that claim for you. 

Not anymore. It was recognized quite some time ago that the practice of 'sealioning' was becoming prevalent and that it should NOT be expected at all to provide facts that are simple to look up.

If you're providing something really obscure then fine, but it's a super quick google search with all the results you need on the front page.

3 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

If you cannot prove your own claim, through citations, just admit you were wrong, or admit your claim is only opinion, and move forward.

if you cannot disprove me through citations, just admit i'm right and that my claim is fact.

Works both ways.

It is ESPECIALLY a common game on the left - demand a source. Then claim the source is not suitable because you think it's bias or similar flaw, demand more. Claim those are not good enough for whatever reason and claim that there's some nebulous problem with the data. Demand more. Then eventually just move on to the person's next point and repeat.

If you are unable to do BASIC elementary research - then you are too stupid for this conversation and should restrain yourself to something a little more kindergarten oriented. If you ARE capable - do your own lookups, you're a big boy/girl/whatever

[WestCanMan]

On 4/15/2023 at 10:31 AM, dialamah said:

I don't understand the problem.  If the majority of adults in the States supports equal rights for trans people, why are so many getting their panties in a knot because a person who happens to be trans has a job opportunity that's in front of the public?  Why is there any push to cancel this person through putting pressure on the employer?  How is that different than pressuring a university to cancel a speaker a group disapproves of?  

If Bud Light wants to go activist that's their right, and at the end of the day they'll still be selling millions of dollars worth of it no matter what happens.

If people want to support that cause then they will be more likely to drink that beer.

If people are sick of activism in their sports and when they drink a beer, they can drink something else. I personally prefer my beer and sports without activism so I'll stick with my Coors Light, but I will still have Michelob Ultra sometimes, and that's InBev. 

Bud Light is betting on the college campus crowd switching to their beer and drinking it for another 40 years. That's what this is about. The boomers are quitting alcohol or dying from it now. They're becoming irrelevant in this market.