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45 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Trump BEGINS to face the music for his crimes.

Yes, I can see it now. Trump gently swaying to Beethoven's Piano Sonata No.14 (Moonlight Sonata) whilst watching all the droolers munching on nothing burgers found in a bottomless bucket with no sides.

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5 minutes ago, Legato said:

Yes, I can see it now. Trump gently swaying to Beethoven's Piano Sonata No.14 (Moonlight Sonata) whilst watching all the droolers munching on nothing burgers found in a bottomless bucket with no sides.

Thirty-four “nothing burgers”. 
 

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19 minutes ago, Legato said:

Yes, I can see it now. Trump gently swaying to Beethoven's Piano Sonata No.14 (Moonlight Sonata) whilst watching all the droolers munching on nothing burgers found in a bottomless bucket with no sides.

Thanks for revealing YOUR FANTASY.

You are obviously way too far away from HERE to know what is happening NOW, let alone the long history of Trump's crimes.

You see, in America when you have a LOT of money, you can pay off pols and LEO to avoid facing the music.

Just like the hedge fund managers paid off Senator Sinema to keep their very favorable tax rates that even Trump PROMISED to raise (but never even tried once elected).

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4 hours ago, Rebound said:

Statute of limitations? So you’re basically agreeing he’s guilty, if that’s your defense.  
 

Beyond that? Nobody has explained because the indictment so far has been sealed. 

New York's Criminal Procedure Law establishes that the statute of limitations is two years for misdemeanors and five years for felonies, barring exceptions for certain heinous crimes like rape or murder. While it is not public knowledge exactly which charges Trump faces, it is expected that all charges are either non-violent felonies or misdemeanors, meaning that unless DA Bragg's office is able to indict Trump for a crime that took place in March of 2018 or later, Trump's alleged crimes are barred from prosecution under the statute of limitations.

Agreeing that someone in his accounting team may be guilty of a campaign finance violation, which always seemed to be considered as a misdemeanor until now. Nobody here has yet to answer my question as to why Trump's violation was treated much more harshly than those of Obama and Hillary Clinton. If the FEC levied a fine against Trump then all three of these politicians could be said to have been treated fairly.

And the rhetoric here is way over the top. "Trump BEGINS to face the music for his crimes!"  One would think that these are the worst, most heinous crimes of the century.? I believe somebody made the Trump/Hitler analogy in here too. C'mon!

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9 minutes ago, ironstone said:

New York's Criminal Procedure Law establishes that the statute of limitations is two years for misdemeanors and five years for felonies, barring exceptions for certain heinous crimes like rape or murder. While it is not public knowledge exactly which charges Trump faces, it is expected that all charges are either non-violent felonies or misdemeanors, meaning that unless DA Bragg's office is able to indict Trump for a crime that took place in March of 2018 or later, Trump's alleged crimes are barred from prosecution under the statute of limitations.

Agreeing that someone in his accounting team may be guilty of a campaign finance violation, which always seemed to be considered as a misdemeanor until now. Nobody here has yet to answer my question as to why Trump's violation was treated much more harshly than those of Obama and Hillary Clinton. If the FEC levied a fine against Trump then all three of these politicians could be said to have been treated fairly.

And the rhetoric here is way over the top. "Trump BEGINS to face the music for his crimes!"  One would think that these are the worst, most heinous crimes of the century.? 

IF Trudeau incited a left wing mob with the GOAL of staying in office AFTER HE LOST re-election would you believe that was a "heinous crime"? Maybe you WANT a fascist dictator. Americans don't. Not even Pence.

 

9 minutes ago, ironstone said:

I believe somebody made the Trump/Hitler analogy in here too. C'mon!

Do you know ANYTHING about the history of Hitler's RISE to POWER? After he got elected the SECOND TIME, he immediately set out to destroy Germany's democratic system of government.

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1 hour ago, Contrarian said:

34 felonies man, wasn't even aware there are so many. What a circus, and any regular folk you talk with, they will just remember it was over an actress payment. 

So no gag order, he will post as he should, this is what the court decided, and more publicity, more publicity, more publicity, more publicity for Trump. Exactly what he wants. 

Well, this case won the primary for Trump in the Republican primary. Now if the economy goes bad, going against Biden can turn a gamble for Biden and for the United States of America. 

I hope he does win the Republican primary, it's the best thing that could happen for the Democrats.

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53 minutes ago, ironstone said:

New York's Criminal Procedure Law establishes that the statute of limitations is two years for misdemeanors and five years for felonies, barring exceptions for certain heinous crimes like rape or murder. While it is not public knowledge exactly which charges Trump faces, it is expected that all charges are either non-violent felonies or misdemeanors, meaning that unless DA Bragg's office is able to indict Trump for a crime that took place in March of 2018 or later, Trump's alleged crimes are barred from prosecution under the statute of limitations.

Agreeing that someone in his accounting team may be guilty of a campaign finance violation, which always seemed to be considered as a misdemeanor until now. Nobody here has yet to answer my question as to why Trump's violation was treated much more harshly than those of Obama and Hillary Clinton. If the FEC levied a fine against Trump then all three of these politicians could be said to have been treated fairly.

And the rhetoric here is way over the top. "Trump BEGINS to face the music for his crimes!"  One would think that these are the worst, most heinous crimes of the century.? I believe somebody made the Trump/Hitler analogy in here too. C'mon!

Your legal research appears to be incorrect.  In Nee York State, the statute of limitations for fraud is six years:

https://www.nycourts.gov/courthelp/goingtocourt/SOLchart.shtml
 

Trump has been charged with crimes which occurred on or around June 19, 2017.

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1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Do you know ANYTHING about the history of Hitler's RISE to POWER? After he got elected the SECOND TIME, he immediately set out to destroy Germany's democratic system of government.

It is ludicrous to even hint that Trump could be another Hitler. Do you feel the same amount of hatred towards all the Republican contenders?

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Again, different legal standards for different people.

No One Is Above The Law? Give Me A Break (thefederalist.com)

Plenty of people are “above the law.” James Clapper, who lied under oath to Congress about spying on the American people, is above the law. John Brennan, who lied about a domestic spying operation on Senate staffers, is above the law. Unlike Trump advisor Peter Navarro, Obama’s Attorney General Eric Holder was never going to be handcuffed and thrown in prison for ignoring a congressional subpoena. He is above the law.

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19 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Again, different legal standards for different people.

No One Is Above The Law? Give Me A Break (thefederalist.com)

Plenty of people are “above the law.” James Clapper, who lied under oath to Congress about spying on the American people, is above the law. John Brennan, who lied about a domestic spying operation on Senate staffers, is above the law. Unlike Trump advisor Peter Navarro, Obama’s Attorney General Eric Holder was never going to be handcuffed and thrown in prison for ignoring a congressional subpoena. He is above the law.

That is a classic “Whataboutism” argument. 
Trump shouldn’t have slept with a porn star and a Playboy model, he shouldn’t have tried to cover it up and he shouldn’t have hidden the payments as business expenses.  

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4 hours ago, robosmith said:

The current FACTS strongly suggest that Trump will FAIL in his efforts to subvert democratic elections here.

Your torture is already commencing as Trump BEGINS to face the music for his crimes.

Ya...good luck with that.

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5 hours ago, ironstone said:

It is ludicrous to even hint that Trump could be another Hitler. Do you feel the same amount of hatred towards all the Republican contenders?

I never said he IS another Hitler. I said he is the CLOSEST POTUS ANALOGY to Hitler.

The FACT IS, Trump has repeated SOME of Hitler's transgressions in his RISE to power.

Mainly being elected and using the power of his office to TRY TO usurp a legal election HE LOST.

Hitler spend time in PRISON for that and hopefully Trump will, too.

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17 hours ago, robosmith said:

He LIED FOR TRUMP'S BENEFIT as HIS LAWYER.

He had nothing to gain personally except a prison sentence.

Nope.He is committing PERJURY right now, and Bragg is suborning PERJURY.

Bragg, as a prosecutor has made NYC more dangerous than it has ever been. Tons of rapes, murders, burglaries, muggings, etc are being ignored just so he can earn that kickback cash from George Soros.

Sieg Heil.

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37 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

I want this on record:

If the agitator Trump wins in 2024:

DA Bragg had a part in it, the same way Comey did it when he decided to announce those charges against Clinton. 

Both events seemed to benefit MAGA and both are because 2 men are trying to be bigger than they are, in my view. This is real narcissism, right there, is my opinion.

and all hope is on Joe Biden, an 81 year old. 

@robosmith @Rebound @Hodad. Your party has some reflection to do. They did not invest any time in younger, reasonable, electable Democrats. 

Registered independent here. You just think I'm a partisan because the Republicans lost their collective minds when a Black man was elected president and set a trajectory that lead so far off rails that they are entirely unpalatable at this point. I have no interest in the politics of spite and there will be no chance of a Republican earning my vote unless they thoroughly and vocally repudiate the disaster that is Trumpism. 

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4 hours ago, reason10 said:

Nope.He is committing PERJURY right now, and Bragg is suborning PERJURY.

No REASON to believe ^this OPINION.

You can't even cite the lie, let alone prove it's false.

4 hours ago, reason10 said:

Bragg, as a prosecutor has made NYC more dangerous than it has ever been. Tons of rapes, murders, burglaries, muggings, etc are being ignored just so he can earn that kickback cash from George Soros.

Sieg Heil.

Even IF ^this is true, it is JUST your desperate irrelevant deflection from this case.

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47 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

I want this on record:

If the agitator Trump wins in 2024:

DA Bragg had a part in it, the same way Comey did it when he decided to announce those charges against Clinton. 

Both events seemed to benefit MAGA and both are because 2 men are trying to be bigger than they are, in my view. This is real narcissism, right there, is my opinion.

and all hope is on Joe Biden, an 81 year old. 

@robosmith @Rebound @Hodad. Your party has some reflection to do. They did not invest any time in younger, reasonable, electable Democrats. 

81 yo Joe Biden beat the younger candidates in the PRIMARY.

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5 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

how can they do that when the Democratic machine is in full drive to allow him safe passage? You know very well this is what happened at the Midterms and this is the idea here now, to get Trump face to face with Joe Biden. Therefore winning for him, indirectly, the Republican primary. So the Democratic Party is in a way the referee for the Republican Primary. 

Just politics, I guess?!

^^This does not track logically. The Democratic machine has nothing to do with Republican candor. If candidates want to repudiate Trump they can simply do it. They can simply BE honest. There are a lot of Republicans in office and prominently elsewhere in the party that don't support Trump--who recognize what a, vile, ugly disaster he was from the first moment he rode down that escalator to announce. Most of them are simply cowards, with the exception of a few outliers like Romney and Cheney. They are afraid that Trump's deplorables will punish them--and they are right to be afraid. But that's why it takes courage to live by one's convictions. 

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1 hour ago, Contrarian said:

I want this on record:

If the agitator Trump wins in 2024:

DA Bragg had a part in it, the same way Comey did it when he decided to announce those charges against Clinton. 

Both events seemed to benefit MAGA and both are because 2 men are trying to be bigger than they are, in my view. This is real narcissism, right there, is my opinion.

and all hope is on Joe Biden, an 81 year old. 

@robosmith @Rebound @Hodad. Your party has some reflection to do. They did not invest any time in younger, reasonable, electable Democrats. 

I think there are many Democrats younger than Joe Biden. In fact, most democrats are younger than Joe Biden.  And I think most Democrats are reasonable. But the GOP wants people to think that every Democrat is an extremist. 
 

Electactable is the biggest issue. Isn’t it always?  During the primaries, voters in states like South Carolina chose the least controversial, most moderate Democrat there was, and that was Joe Biden. I would have chosen Newsom or Buttigieg, but by the time the primaries got to my state, it had already been decided.  
 

I don’t think the DA of New York conspired with the DNC or George Soros to indict Trump. I think he promised to do it as a campaign promise, so I suppose his constituents wanted Trump prosecuted. 

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38 minutes ago, robosmith said:

No REASON to believe ^this OPINION.

You can't even cite the lie, let alone prove it's false.

Even IF ^this is true, it is JUST your desperate irrelevant deflection from this case.

The case is made by suborning perjury.

(That means a lawyer putting someone on the stand KNOWING he/she will LIE under oath. Cohen LIED UNDER OATH.)

Paying someone to shut up, by the way, is not illegal. Bill KKKlinton paid Paula Jones a fortune to shut her up, and he hasn't faced any prosecution.

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4 minutes ago, reason10 said:

The case is made by suborning perjury.

(That means a lawyer putting someone on the stand KNOWING he/she will LIE under oath. Cohen LIED UNDER OATH.)

Still NO EVIDENCE to believe ^this OPINION. Cause you don't have ANY.

4 minutes ago, reason10 said:

Paying someone to shut up, by the way, is not illegal. Bill KKKlinton paid Paula Jones a fortune to shut her up, and he hasn't faced any prosecution.

It is ILLEGAL in NY State when done to influence an ELECTION.

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