Trump Indicted!!!

[robosmith]

Trump’s Attorneys and the Crimes They Enabled

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It’s rare that a court breaks attorney-client privilege, even rarer that the reason is that the lawyer was wittingly or unwittingly contributing to a crime or fraud, and rarer still that it happens twice to the same guy. Yet, for the second time, a federal judge has invoked a doctrine known as the “crime-fraud exception” to force one of Donald Trump’s attorneys to give evidence against him. The first was when Judge David Carter ordered John Eastman to turn over evidence of his conversations with Trump about the attempted coup on January 6, 2021. The second was on March 17, when Judge Beryl Howell told attorney Evan Corcoran that he had to provide evidence about Trump’s obstruction of justice in refusing to return classified national security documents stored at Mar-a-Lago. Though these latter proceedings remain sealed, public reports suggest that Trump deliberately misled his lawyer. He is said to have lied to Corcoran about the completeness of his search for classified documents at Mar-a-Lago—a lie that Corcoran then dutifully passed along to the government as the truth.

When a court invokes the crime-fraud exception, they have necessarily concluded that the prosecutor has made a prima facie showing that the client (in this case, Trump) has committed criminal violations and either: a) the lawyer participated in the crime with the client; or b) the lawyer’s legal advice and services were used by his client to commit a crime unbeknownst to the lawyer. That by itself is significant. 

 

[robosmith]

The GOP response to Trump is one hell of an indictment

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It’s no surprise that House Republicans leaped to Donald Trump’s defense after news of his indictment broke late Thursday. What was striking, though, was how many elected GOP officials now sound like Trump.

“Political Persecution,” Trump alleged in his statement.

“Political persecution,” parroted Reps. Diana Harshbarger (Tenn.), Josh Brecheen (Okla.), Claudia Tenney (N.Y.), and Paul Gosar (Ariz.).

“Blatant Election Interference,” Trump announced.

“This is unprecedented election interference,” echoed GOP conference chair Elise Stefanik (N.Y.).

“An attempt to interfere in our Presidential election,” echoed House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA).

“Witch hunt,” complained Trump.

“Witch hunt,” repeated Reps. George Santos (N.Y.), Lauren Boebert (Colo.), Ralph Norman (S.C.), Matt Gaetz (Fla.) and more, including House Majority Whip Tom Emmer (Minn.).

“Weaponizing our justice system,” Trump inveighed.

“Weaponizing,” chorused Majority Leader Steve Scalise and Reps. David Rouzer (N.C.), Austin Scott (Ga.), Rich McCormick (Ga.) and more.

Trump blamed George Soros. Reps. Wesley Hunt (TX), Mike Johnson (LA), Harshbarger, Gosar and Sens. Rick Scott (FL) and Ron Johnson (WIS) blamed Soros.

They aped Trump in other ways, too.

In their vulgarity:

“Enough of this witch hunt bulls---,” tweeted Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (GA)

“This is complete and utter bulls---,” asserted Rep. Brian Mast (FL).

In using ALL CAPS:

“WITCH HUNT!” screamed Rep. Ronny Jackson (TX) and “Alvin Bragg is a NATIONAL EMBARRASSMENT.”

In demanding vengeance: “Hunter Biden: Call your lawyers,” suggested Rep. Darrell Issa (CA).

“The House of Representatives will hold Alvin Bragg and his unprecedented abuse of power to account,” declared McCarthy.

“When Trump wins, THESE PEOPLE WILL PAY!!” tweeted Jackson.

In voicing deep-state conspiracy theories: “The Regime occupying our country and systematically killing America is most afraid of President Donald J. Trump,” warned Gosar.

And in stoking paranoia among the unstable:

“If they can come for him, they can come for anyone,” tweeted Rep. Andy Biggs (AZ).

The Republicans’ mimicry (conscious or unconscious) of Trump should put one thing into sharper focus. The debate about whether this helps or hurts Trump’s fight for the GOP nomination is beside the point. When it comes to any would-be Republican standard-bearer, the mantra is clear: We are all Trumpians now. 

LMAO

[robosmith]

GOP Beware: Bragg’s Case Is Just the Start of Trump’s Legal Jeopardy

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Don’t be fooled by snapshot polls showing Trump beating Biden — which Democrats are hyping because, for now, they want us to think he can win. He can’t. Don’t allow the intensity of Trump’s base supporters to mask how deeply unpopular he is with the country writ large. He had consistently low job-approval ratings as president… Trump could never again win a national election after the 2020 coup attempt, the Capitol riot, and his continued delusional insistence that reelection was stolen from him.

Moreover, the demagogic riffs that make MAGA crowds swoon — and that Trump doubled down on at this week’s Mar-a-Lago rally (because why wouldn’t an arraignment be the occasion for a rally?) — are exactly what most Americans find deeply disturbing about him. If he’s the nominee, the Democrats will retain the White House by ten points or more, with the tide sweeping the Senate and the House their way, too. 

AKA, The FASCISTS WILL LOSE.

[robosmith]

It’s All About Trump’s Election Criminality

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At the broadest level, the Manhattan district attorney’s indictment of Trump regards the same subject as the ongoing investigation by the Fulton County district attorney in Georgia and one of the investigations now being led by the special counsel in the Department of Justice. In fact, the case even strikes the same theme as the Mueller investigation and both of Trump’s impeachments.

What would that be? Election criminality.

That’s the throughline of most of Trump’s corruption since 2016. He covered up hush money to his mistresses, made overtures to Russia ‘if you’re listening,’ held up funding for Ukraine, put the squeeze on Georgia election officials to ‘find the votes,’ and incited the January 6th insurrection all in pursuit of the same goal: to win presidential elections—and then, when he lost in 2020, to overturn the results.

Sweeping election criminality is the element that elevates Trump’s actions from tawdry scandals to weighty cases worthy of being brought to trial either in the courts or, via impeachment proceedings, in Congress. 

Not to mention Trump trying to HIDE the pandemic in a clueless service to his campaign goals.

Only his CULT believed him when he said "it will just go away in the Spring." Esp after he told the truth to Woodward ON TAPE.

[robosmith]

Melania Trump Apparently RSVP’d F--k Off to Her Husband’s Post-Arraignment Speech

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Shortly before the news broke last week that Donald Trump would, in fact, be indicted, we learned that Melania Trump was reportedly still angry about her husband’s alleged affair with porn star Stormy Daniels and did not sympathize with the fact that he was facing criminal charges and possibly even time in prison. Now that the ex-president has been formally charged—with 34 class E felonies—and is looking at a potential century-plus behind bars if convicted on all counts, the question is whether the former first lady still feels that way. After all, it’s one thing to tell your spouse they made their bed and must now lie in it when you think there’s no chance of their becoming a convicted criminal—it’s another when they’re actually forced to surrender and could spend the rest of your marriage behind bars. Melania, of course, has not said anything publicly about the matter—but one hint that she may not be too broken up about all this? Maybe the fact that she skipped her husband’s post-arraignment speech last night.

During her time as first lady, Melania made it pretty clear that she despised her husband. So it’s possible she’s downright thrilled at the prospect of his doing 136 years in prison and thus spent last night celebrating. 

Melania showing her CLASS. 

Edited April 13, 2023 by robosmith

[West]

30 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Melania Trump Apparently RSVP’d F--k Off to Her Husband’s Post-Arraignment Speech

Melania showing her CLASS. 

Definitely just msnbc being a tabloid with the Melania story. The left are a scorn on America. 

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, West said:

Definitely just msnbc being a tabloid with the Melania story. The left are a scorn on America. 

Nope. Vanity Fair, NOT msnbc. Do you ever get tired of being WRONG?

[West]

10 hours ago, robosmith said:

Nope. Vanity Fair, NOT msnbc. Do you ever get tired of being WRONG?

Lol.. even worse 

[robosmith]

Alvin Bragg has some hurdles ahead, but that doesn't mean he won't clear them

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Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, the first prosecutor ever to bring criminal charges against a former president, has a path to winning convictions against Trump, but it is a path strewn with legal hurdles.

Fundamentally Bragg’s case is about allegations that Trump and others entered into an agreement to buy the silence of people who wanted to share negative stories about Trump. Trump and others engaged in this scheme, Bragg alleges, not to protect Trump personally, but to protect his candidacy. Put another way, these payments were made to help his chances in the 2016 presidential election, not to benefit him personally or even in his business endeavors. As the statement of facts in this case alleges, Trump told Cohen to hold off on paying Daniels for as long as possible and said that once the election was over, there would be no need to pay her for her silence. These payments were for political, not personal, purposes. This is why federal election laws would apply to this case.

Can Bragg rely on tax law? Yes. And this may provide the cleanest route for the prosecutor. Tax law allows Bragg to avoid entering, or at least solely relying on, the legal thicket of state and federal election laws.

Trump’s payments to Cohen were, apparently, mischaracterized as legal expenses and, hence, as income to Cohen. In reality, the payments were just reimbursements for Cohen’s hush money payments. As prosecutors have referenced, this could amount to a violation of New York tax law. 

In sum, Bragg will have to connect a number of dots in order to secure a conviction against the former President of the United States. But he has the tools to do so. It is way too early to say whether or not Trump will be convicted on these charges. It is just the right time, however, to conclude that a conviction appears legally and factually possible. 

 

[CdnFox]

On 4/6/2023 at 2:36 PM, Rebound said:

Impeachment is the process which occurs in the House of Representatives.  

meeeehhhhh - impeachment itself is embarrassing but meaningless. Having the senate rule that it was valid - that's a different story.

So he was successfully 'charged' with something ... but found to be innocent essentially.  By the same people who for 3 years claimed for SURE he had colluded with the russians, only for it to be shown he did not.

Yawn.  Next.

[CdnFox]

37 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Alvin Bragg has some hurdles ahead, but that doesn't mean he won't clear them

 

 

 

I think that guy is going to have a hell of  a time. This story is really downplaying how big some of those challenges are. They're not small, that's for sure. Proving intent is pretty hard

 

[OftenWrong]

From what I'm seeing, legal opinions have it that these charges are weak and not going to hold up under scrutiny. There is even the question whether some of these charges are permissible under federal laws.

This looks like yet another publicity stunt.

[CrakHoBarbie]

On 4/13/2023 at 4:30 PM, West said:

. The left are a scorn on America. 

I believe the word you're looking for is "scourge".

You gave it the old pre-school try though, huh....

[CdnFox]

42 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

From what I'm seeing, legal opinions have it that these charges are weak and not going to hold up under scrutiny. There is even the question whether some of these charges are permissible under federal laws.

This looks like yet another publicity stunt.

Yeah, i think it's going to be tough.

But the fact is it'll drag out well into the nomination for the Rebpuclicans. I mean they're not even going back to trial till december.  And it'll be a long process after that. Trumps' going to campaign with that hanging over his head?

We'll see but while it wont' affect his core much i think it will sting him a little

[robosmith]

53 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

From what I'm seeing, legal opinions have it that these charges are weak and not going to hold up under scrutiny. There is even the question whether some of these charges are permissible under federal laws.

This looks like yet another publicity stunt.

The misdemeanor "false business records" charges are ROUTINE and a SLAM DUNK.

The thing that's NOVEL and therefore weaker, are the crimes being hidden by the fraud, and thereby raising the violations to FELONIES.

But Bragg has not even publicly specified which crimes were being hidden, so no one yet knows how weak it is.

Rumor is that it's either tax evasion or campaign finance violations. If they have proof of tax evasion, that is a slam dunk.

[robosmith]

Why we’re still stuck in Trump’s world

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There is a madness running through our nation’s public life. Our country seems nearly powerless to counteract it because it’s built into the structure of American politics, the belief system of Republican voters and the polarization of opinion in Congress.

The journalistic obsession with Trump is certainly part of the problem. “I can’t tell you the number of calls I’ve gotten from reporters asking me about the implications of Trump being indicted,” Whit Ayres, a Republican pollster, told, well, this reporter. “They were asking me about the implications of something that’s unknowable because it’s without any precedent in our history.”

But there is something the Trump-obsessed news media did not cover because it didn’t happen.
There were no widespread Republican criticisms of Trump’s unhinged attacks on Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg as an “animal” and “a degenerate psychopath,” no official GOP condemnation of Trump’s wee-hours-of-the-morning threat on Friday that an indictment could lead to “potential death and destruction.”

On the contrary: Violating his party’s incessant claims to believe in states’ rights and local control, House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) wrote to Bragg demanding materials related to the investigation of hush-money payments to adult-film actress Stormy Daniels. It’s bad enough to be silent about Trump’s abusive rants, but to make a chamber of Congress part of Trump’s defense team reveals the depth of the rot. 

Of course the extreme hypocrisy of the Congressional Republicans is nothing new. ?

[CdnFox]

55 minutes ago, robosmith said:

 

Of course the extreme IMAGINED hypocrisy of the Congressional Republicans is nothing new.

THere - FIFY

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Of course the extreme IMAGINED hypocrisy of the Congressional Republicans is nothing new.

THere - FIFY

Nothing imaginary about Republicans' championing states' rights but then interfering with NY State's Attorney's legal prosecution of Trump. Pure HYPOCRISY whether you understand that or not. 

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, robosmith said:

Nothing imaginary about Republicans' championing states' rights but then interfering with NY State's Attorney's legal prosecution of Trump. Pure HYPOCRISY whether you understand that or not. 

Well... except for the fact that it's not true.  Other than that tho.....

Pure misinformation whether you understand that or not.

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, robosmith said:

Nothing imaginary about Republicans' championing states' rights but then interfering with NY State's Attorney's legal prosecution of Trump. Pure HYPOCRISY whether you understand that or not. 

OH - i'm sorry, i forgot -

"NO NEED to LISTEN to ^^^^^^this OPINION without FACTS!!!!!!!!"

Do you ever notice you're the first to demand facts but the absolute last to offer any? What were you saying about hypocrisy again?

[Nationalist]

On 4/14/2023 at 12:15 AM, robosmith said:

Nope. Vanity Fair, NOT msnbc. Do you ever get tired of being WRONG?

ROFLMAO...A fashion mag.

Fcking hilarious.

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

OH - i'm sorry, i forgot -

"NO NEED to LISTEN to ^^^^^^this OPINION without FACTS!!!!!!!!"

Do you ever notice you're the first to demand facts but the absolute last to offer any? What were you saying about hypocrisy again?

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were UP TO DATE with the NEWS. Apparently FOS LIES does not report the demands that Jim Jordan sent to Bragg for investigation documents and a hearing about the INDICTMENT.

You probably don't even know about the lawsuit Bragg filed to quash JORDAN'S SUPOENA.

Just let me know how IGNORANT you are and I'll spoon feed the REAL NEWS to you. 

This is NOT some OBSCURE ISSUE which has NOT been reported on EXTENSIVELY. LMAO

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

ROFLMAO...A fashion mag.

Fcking hilarious.

Vanity Fair OFTEN has real INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM. Sorry to burst YOUR BUBBLE and tell you how WRONG you are AGAIN. LMAO

Edited May 4, 2023 by robosmith

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

Vanity Fair OFTEN has real INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM. Sorry to burst YOUR BUBBLE and tell you how WRONG you are AGAIN. LMAO

Ya...go enjoy your fashion mag.

[CdnFox]

23 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were UP TO DATE with the NEWS.

oh - so you're a liar AND a hypocrite. Got it.

23 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Apparently FOS LIES does not report the demands that Jim Jordan sent to Bragg for investigation documents and a hearing about the INDICTMENT.

"NO NEED to LISTEN to ^^^^^^this OPINION without FACTS!!!!!!!!"

23 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You probably don't even know about the lawsuit Bragg filed to quash JORDAN'S SUPOENA.

Nope.

23 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Just let me know how IGNORANT you are and I'll spoon feed the REAL NEWS to you. 

If we take your intelligence, double it, double it again, add it to a normal person's intelligence and then give you 'smart pills' and a good nights rest.... i'm still smarter than you

23 minutes ago, robosmith said:

This is NOT some OBSCURE ISSUE which has NOT been reported on EXTENSIVELY. LMAO

Apparently it is. I'm sure it's been widely reported in your little echo chamber or whatever bias news feeds you prefer but that doesn't mean anyone else has heard it.

And - you're still a hypocrite Now you're just  a stupid hypocrite