Poilievre vs Trudeau Jnr

[August1991]

1. Poilievre's voice is just too whiny. Trudeau Jnr has a better voice. (Few women will vote for Poilievre.)

2. Trudeau Jnr is phoning it in. Poilievre clearly cares. He wants more.

This is my perception of them in English.

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Neither men speak deeply as Mulroney or Turner did. Pearson whined like Poilievre.

Margaret Thatcher unnaturally used her voice the way Trudeau Snr did - and Nixon. Up and down.

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Off the cuff, Lévesque and Trudeau Snr were a delight in both English and French.

   

 

Edited March 26, 2023 by August1991

[Guest]

Poilievre is competent. Justin Trudeau is not. That is the deciding factor to me. If Liberals want credibility, they need to get rid of Trudeau or any incompetent leaders.

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Poilievre is competent.  

Based on what?  He's been an opposition MP his whole life, so his only achievement in the service of Canada is complaining about the government.

[Guest]

Just now, Michael Hardner said:

Based on what?  He's been an opposition MP his whole life, so his only achievement in the service of Canada is complaining about the government.

I see a difference in competence when I hear him being asked questions, or during debates. Maybe am wrong, but he sounds far more competent than Trudeau.

[Michael Hardner]

1 minute ago, Perspektiv said:

I see a difference in competence when I hear him being asked questions, or during debates. Maybe am wrong, but he sounds far more competent than Trudeau.

Ok he SOUNDS competent...

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Ok he SOUNDS competent...

You mean the content of what he says,

or the tone of his voice?

The op has me confused.

[ironstone]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Ok he SOUNDS competent...

On the flip side, can you point to any evidence that suggests Justin Trudeau is competent? Or ethical?

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

Poilievre is competent. Justin Trudeau is not. That is the deciding factor to me. If Liberals want credibility, they need to get rid of Trudeau or any incompetent leaders.

I agree Trudeau lack some competence but, to declare Poilievre competent is way premature.

It is easy to be in opposition and do nothing but complain, this forum is clear evidence as it is full of those folks.

Poilievre has done nothing but be a politician or aid to politicians. It is one thing to be in opposition and pick nits and quite another to make nits. The last 2 conservative leaders are evidence of that.

[OftenWrong]

32 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

I agree Trudeau lack some competence but, to declare Poilievre competent is way premature.

It is easy to be in opposition and do nothing but complain, this forum is clear evidence as it is full of those folks.

Poilievre has done nothing but be a politician or aid to politicians. It is one thing to be in opposition and pick nits and quite another to make nits. The last 2 conservative leaders are evidence of that.

One can look at their resumes. 

PP- Extensive political career.

JT - Blanque de blanque

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Based on what?  He's been an opposition MP his whole life, so his only achievement in the service of Canada is complaining about the government.

No, he was an MP in harper's gov't.  I assume you don't think harper was in opposition his whole time  

In addition he served on many committees with distinction and undesrtands how the gov't works.

And it's VERY weird to say that someone who's spent 22 years successfully working in a profession doesn't have experience in that profession?

The guy's extremely qualified.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

I agree Trudeau lack some competence but, to declare Poilievre competent is way premature.

It isn't. He's got decades of actual relevant experience both as gov't and opposition, his track record in committees etc is fantastic, he is extremely knowledgeable.

You might not like hte policies he puts forward but he is competent. That much has been demonstrated.

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

It is easy to be in opposition and do nothing but complain, this forum is clear evidence as it is full of those folks.

Did you purchase a new mirror?

But - seriously he was part of teh gov't in power for about a decade. And he did his job quite well.

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Poilievre has done nothing but be a politician or aid to politicians.

And so that makes him unqualified to be a politician? Your credibility is slipping again.

He has been a high level mp under harper while they were in gov't and done very well in committees and doing his job, he's been a strong finance critic catching a number of issues others missed.  He won a very decisive victory at the leadership in the face of serious competition so he's shown he also knows how to rally people.

The guy is definitely competent to run the country. And he looks competent to run a campagin. So probably not premature yet.

[I am Groot]

9 hours ago, August1991 said:

1. Poilievre's voice is just too whiny. Trudeau Jnr has a better voice. (Few women will vote for Poilievre.)

Today I learned that women vote according to who has the nicer-sounding voice.

Geeze, remind me why we let such shallow people vote again?

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Today I learned that women vote according to who has the nicer-sounding voice.

Geeze, remind me why we let such shallow people vote again?

They were pushy, it was the weekend, we wanted a nap....

It is true that PP isn't doing as well amongst women as with men but he still does pretty decent. I think a few might vote for him

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Ok he SOUNDS competent...

He also sounds like he is very well versed in what he is talking about. He responds to questions with articulated answers. 

All these things pointed to competence. 

I would be voting for someone who sounds like they can get the job done. 

Trudeau has never sounded competent to me.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

One can look at their resumes. 

PP- Extensive political career.

JT - Blanque de blanque

Exactly. All signs point to him being far more competent.

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Today I learned that women vote according to who has the nicer-sounding voice.

Geeze, remind me why we let such shallow people vote again?

I remember so many female reporters reporting more on our "heart throb PM" vs what he brought to the table. 

To me, this is sad, and his first term showcased he had nothing to bring to the job than his looks. 

Am sure at some point, some regretted. Maybe here?

 

 

[Michael Hardner]

3 hours ago, Contrarian said:

1. You forgot about the Universal Child Care Benefit, which helped families with the cost of raising children?! You  

2. ...so everything PP does is bad? And Trudeau, former teacher, has competency to be PM just like that?! Or maybe the name helped...

1. Was that under Harper?  PP was a minister I guess?

2. This is a discussion board, not a board where we repeat the campaign messages.  Trudeau was PM during arguably the biggest crisis since WW2.  We did relatively well.  I can say that AND still not say he was a great PM.  But let's talk plainly on here, PLEASE.  

Comparing his achievements to Poilievre is ridiculous.  Still, it doesn't mean he'll win or that we should vote for him.

[Michael Hardner]

4 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Poilievre is competent. Justin Trudeau is not.  

No way.

 

That said I am hopeful we're going to see more of PPs economics background come election time.

[Michael Hardner]

3 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

You mean the content of what he says,

or the tone of his voice?

The op has me confused.

I'm recapping what people are saying about him.

 

... even as it changes.

[ExFlyer]

2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

One can look at their resumes. 

PP- Extensive political career.

JT - Blanque de blanque

Oh and that demonstrates competency?? LOL

Seems to me a lifelong politician equals a blanque de blanque, both zeros in the real world. Both teat suckers

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

It isn't. ....

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But - seriously .....And he did his job quite well.

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He h....

The guy is definitely competent ....

Blah, blah blah.... nonsense from a nonsensical. Sucking on the PP teat now eh?  LOL

As I already said "I agree Trudeau lack some competence but, to declare Poilievre competent is way premature. ".

Edited March 26, 2023 by ExFlyer

[Legato]

10 hours ago, August1991 said:

1. Poilievre's voice is just too whiny. Trudeau Jnr has a better voice. (Few women will vote for Poilievre.)

 

   

 

That depends upon how your audio equaliser has been programmed. Women will like the "speak moistly" settings. Is that the setting most appealing to yourself?

Edited March 26, 2023 by Legato

[blackbird]

I would give JT a very low grading on moral and ethical issues and would rate PP higher on some issues such as the economy, law and order, and certain rights, but a failing grade on the abortion issue.  I think PP is less of a globalist and less of a Socialist than JT.  I am suspicious about JT and Liberal's ties to Communist China and their opposition to the Canadian Forces and failure to properly fund them.  But when it comes to voting, I would definitely vote for the Conservatives because there is no other choice.  The Conservatives are the least undesirable.  I don't trust JT (or liberals for that matter) on anything.

[I am Groot]

The best that can be said about Poilievre is he hasn't demonstrated the depths of dishonest, incompetence, and unethical, unprincipled behaviour we've seen from Trudeau.

Also, it appears that until we put someone else in we're never going to get rid of Trudeau. So even if Poilievre turns out to be as bad as Trudeau (unlikely) we still need him to get elected so Trudeau will go away and they have the chance to put someone better in place. It's unfortunate that there doesn't seem to be anyone better lurking in the background. Right now, the obvious successor is Freeland, who is better only in the sense she might not be quite as horrible as Trudeau.

[OftenWrong]

15 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Oh and that demonstrates competency?? LOL

Seems to me a lifelong politician equals a blanque de blanque, both zeros in the real world. Both teat suckers

Clearly you don't understand politics, or the value of experience on the job. Whatever the job is.

You've probably never had a job, is why.

Edited March 26, 2023 by OftenWrong