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1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

they went NDP.

Many are brainwashed, few are capable of thinking.  They like all the promises of freebies, free this and that.  Socialism is a dead end.  There is no such thing as a utopia or free life.  Everything government gives the people must be paid for somehow.  But many don't seem to get it.  

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1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Many are brainwashed, few are capable of thinking.  They like all the promises of freebies, free this and that.  Socialism is a dead end.  There is no such thing as a utopia or free life.  Everything government gives the people must be paid for somehow.  But many don't seem to get it.  

As the adage goes, "The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else" and that goes for all governments, not just socialist ones.

I understand what you are saying but my point was that Trudeau won because other party candidates were so poor they could not get elected or, they electorate just anti voted.  In PQ, the second election lost all those NDP MP's and went to Bloc.

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23 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

I understand what you are saying

I would add that the NDP motto seems to be make the rich pay or make the greedy corporations pay.  This demonstrates their very simplistic view of the world, a complete lack of understanding of how the prosperous free nations have accomplished what they have.  If it wasn't for the wealthy who invest all their money in stocks and corporation, there would be no well-paying jobs.  That is where all the well-paying jobs come from.  But the NDP are completely blind.

Unfortunately, the Liberals are moving more toward the left in an effort to gain more NDP votes.

Watch the Liberals come out with their budget tomorrow.  They will be handing out billions of dollars for everything they can think of.

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3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

While you are correct about those electorates voting but, it is not for him (Trudeau) rather than against the lame candidates put up by the Conservatives.

 

 

No, they had lots of other options including not voting - which is PRECISELY what liberals and ndp did in ontario provincially.

They voted FOR trudeau. People from that area tend to be a lot more "corruption friendly" than the rest of canada.

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56 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I would add that the NDP motto seems to be make the rich pay or make the greedy corporations pay.  This demonstrates their very simplistic view of the world, a complete lack of understanding of how the prosperous free nations have accomplished what they have. 

I think you're over thinking it. I think Jagmeet knew he woudln't ever get to be prime minister so what he's doing is putting forward a platfom that gets his uninformed voters excited and rallies the left wing to him.

All he has to do is take enough seats from the libs to keep them in a minority position so that they need the ndp's support - and then he's got power.

That's why he always talks about how he'll fight.  We'll FFFFFIIIIIIIGGHGGHHTT for you!! FIIIIIGHGGHT! (you wanna fight? I'll fight you right now!)

Whereas layton for example talked more about building. 

You can't make a great country by fighting, you make a  great country by building things. 

But "Fighting" appeals to the left wing youth and social justice warrior types - and he's hoping to get enough of them to win enough seats from the libs to hold the balance of power

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1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

No, they had lots of other options including not voting - which is PRECISELY what liberals and ndp did in ontario provincially.

They voted FOR trudeau. People from that area tend to be a lot more "corruption friendly" than the rest of canada.

Not voting is not an option in my opinion.

They voted for a candidate that was best for their area.

As you are aware, Canada voted Trudeau in... Like it or not. Conspiracy theories abound but a fact is a fact. After 3 elections the cons or other opposition could not beat the libs win or remove him from power has to demonstrate something LOL

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8 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Not voting is not an option in my opinion.

It clearly is to most ontario residents  - thats what they chose to do in the last provincial election.
So it was definitely an option they were comfortable with by and large.

 

8 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

They voted for a candidate that was best for their area.

They voted for trudeau. And his approval ratings in the area line up with the vote fairly well at the time. So its pretty clear it's NOT that they didn't have options.

 

8 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

As you are aware, Canada voted Trudeau in... Like it or not. Conspiracy theories abound but a fact is a fact.

What conspiracy theories? Who has suggested that trudeau didn't win the election? Honestly you're just making crap up at this point.

Trudeau won because people in your area felt that his corruption was acceptable and they were ok with it, so they didn't mind supporting him.  Also he managed to convince them that the anti vaxxers were all out to kill them, and once again turned canadians against each other (remember - he was singing a very different tune just 2 weeks before the election.)

8 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

 

After 3 elections the cons or other opposition could not beat the libs win or remove him from power has to demonstrate something LOL

Well - it demonstrates that the NDP will do anything for a taste of power at this point :)

but as i noted canadians tend to give elected prime ministers at least 2 full terms worth of mandate to work with. So about 8 -10 years.  Harper got that and justin's going to get that.

Remember - the libs lost three times to harper as well, and paul martin damn near lost his first go around and was held to a minority (propped up by the ndp :) )

And also remember this - harper got stronger results every election he fought until he lost - trudeau is getting weaker and weaker every election, and hasn't won the popular vote in 2.

Ontario and the ndp prop the libs up. But they're not what  the majority of Canadians want.

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1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

When has Trudeau moved right?

He started out with more of an eye to responsible spending as I recall.  He also abandoned Proportional Representation, bailed out a pipeline that should have failed... these are things that my friends on the left have decried - my basis for that claim.

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I think a little clarity on these issues would be appropriate,

13 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

He started out with more of an eye to responsible spending as I recall. 

I don't think you could make that claim very well - he had interited a balanced budget - and not just a balanced budget but one with a fair bit of meat on the bones. And his initial promise was to 'only" go 30 billion in debt intentionally during his first term.

Not to mention he spent twice that in his first term so even if you can pass off a deliberate 30 billion dollar deficit as being 'right wing" by the end of his first year or two it was obvious he was far more left than even that.

 

13 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

 

He also abandoned Proportional Representation,

This is kind of amusing - this is what happens when people don't pay close attention and don't listen for the lies.  Justin NEVER PROMISED PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION.  He just said he would end first past the post.

Now - what he wanted to have was basically a form of 'instant run off".  That's where everyone puts hteir first choice, then their second choice, and so on.  If nobody gets more than 50 percent in the first round, then the lowest ballots are tossed and those people's SECOND choice kicks in - and this continues until someone gets 50 percent.

That would guarantee liberals were always in power.  Conservatives are more likely to put liberals as their second choice - they aren't going to put NDP.  ANd ndp will always put liberals as their second choice - can't let the evil conservatives win

So - for ever riding where it isn't won by 50 percent out of the gate (which MOST are not) then the liberals would tend to win.

He was basically hoping to rig the whole system to ensure the libs were always in power

But - it turned out that all the ndp were expecting proportional rep. Which is VERY different.  ANd the conservatives said if they HAD to have a system other than fptp it should be proportional.

Suddenly he realized he wasn't going to get his way - and dropped it

The left felt very betrayed but that's only because they didn't understand that he was scamming them in the first place.

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1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

It clearly is to most ontario residents  -.....hasn't won the popular vote in 2.

Ontario and the ndp prop the libs up. But they're not what  the majority of Canadians want.

Get over it puppy.

Trudeau is PM, has been elected 3 times now.  Ontario has been the decider for generations, for all parties.

No matter what you think or say or whine about, Trudeau is Canada's PM. Oh and, the popular vote was only about 1% difference....not exactly overwhelming LOL

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17 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Get over it puppy.

Awwww little guy - couldn't think of any actual arguments? It's hard putting up a fight for your hero when you realize everyone else is right :)  I can see why the truth upsets you so much.

17 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Trudeau is PM, has been elected 3 times now.  Ontario has been the decider for generations, for all parties.

And who disputed that? You're repeating what I said and acting as if it's news. 

17 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

No matter what you think or say or whine about, Trudeau is Canada's PM.

Again - who said he wasn't?

It sounds more like you're reassuring yourself ?  

17 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

 

Oh and, the popular vote was only about 1% difference....not exactly overwhelming LOL

It's massive.  Thats a hell of a lot of people.  To LOSE the popular vote by that much shows that you're NOT what canadians want.

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1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Awwww .....

 

It's massive.  Thats a hell of a lot of people.  To LOSE the popular vote by that much shows that you're NOT what canadians want.

Awwww, Glad to see you finally understand you are wrong and I am correct. It's OK puppy, tail between your legs is a good look on ya.

And if you think about 1% spread across all 338 electoral districts in all of Canada is a "hell of a lot of people" you certainly live in a little world LOL

Time to give it up dude. You got nowhere to go but down. The retorts to you on this and other threads gotta show you that you lose in all subjects LOL

I will continue with people that actually have something intelligent to debate. Sorry for your loss, you will get over it  :)

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5 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Not voting is not an option in my opinion.

They voted for a candidate that was best for their area.

As you are aware, Canada voted Trudeau in... Like it or not. Conspiracy theories abound but a fact is a fact. After 3 elections the cons or other opposition could not beat the libs win or remove him from power has to demonstrate something LOL

It demonstrates that a party that offers lots of free stuff is going to be more popular than a party that doesn't and that people suspect might take some of their free stuff away.

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9 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

It demonstrates that a party that offers lots of free stuff is going to be more popular than a party that doesn't and that people suspect might take some of their free stuff away.

Oh for sure. The NDP are the big givers (provincially and leave a financial black hole when they finally get punted out).

The conservatives never seem to say or promise enough to entice voters.

 

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23 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Not voting is not an option in my opinion.

They voted for a candidate that was best for their area.

As you are aware, Canada voted Trudeau in... Like it or not. Conspiracy theories abound but a fact is a fact. After 3 elections the cons or other opposition could not beat the libs win or remove him from power has to demonstrate something LOL

Yes it does demonstrate a lot of things, Canadians can be bought with a few trinkets or little shinny things, Canadians do not care about what the government does in power good or bad, that they don't share the morals and values that conservatives hold, that have a high tolerance for corruption, lies and deceit... That patriotism for ones country is no longer something to strive for, it is who can fill their own pockets first... and that Canadians don't mind being divided over and over again...

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1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Oh for sure. The NDP are the big givers (provincially and leave a financial black hole when they finally get punted out).

The conservatives never seem to say or promise enough to entice voters.

Their one consistent story is "We're the reliable money managers". They can't be spewing out money from firehoses like the NPD and Liberals.

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6 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Awwww, Glad to see you finally understand you are wrong and I am correct. It's OK puppy, tail between your legs is a good look on ya.

Whoops - i think i broke him. He's become delusional :)

6 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

And if you think about 1% spread across all 338 electoral districts in all of Canada is a "hell of a lot of people" you certainly live in a little world LOL

That's about 190 THOUSAND people. I think most people would call 190,000  a lot of people :)

6 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Time to give it up dude. You got nowhere to go but down. The retorts to you on this and other threads gotta show you that you lose in all subjects LOL

You can always tell when a leftie loser  knows they're losing - they beg you to stop and try to convince you you're always wrong :)   Sorry sparky - we both know the truth of it.  But as usual you're having a hissy fit because the facts offend your feels

6 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

I will continue with people that actually have something intelligent to debate. Sorry for your loss, you will get over it  :)

ROFLMAO -  yes - it's pretty easy to 'recover' from "losses" like that :) LOLOLOL

Meanwhile you'll be up half the night pissed you were wrong and got shown up :)   If that weren't the case you wouldn't be trying so hard to convince yourself now

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3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Their one consistent story is "We're the reliable money managers". They can't be spewing out money from firehoses like the NPD and Liberals.

And their voters are really big on  honesty and keeping your word, so they can't just promise and then not deliver like liberals do.

It is actually more difficult to be a conservative leader than a liberal one in canada. Liberal voters are a lot more forgiving as long as you win.  And ndp voters never expect you to win so it's easy to keep THEM happy :)

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10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

.... :)

That's about 190 THOUSAND people. I think most people would call 190,000  a lot of people :)

... :)   ....

ROFLMAO -  ...:) LOLOLOL

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Keep on... keeping on and on and on and on and making zero headway.  Head hurt from continually hitting that wall?

Out of 20 million spread across the entire country in 338 electoral districts.?  190K is a pittance, that is just over 560 votes per riding..hardly none.

The ROFLMAO is all on you puppy .

 

 

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14 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Yes it does demonstrate a lot of things, Canadians can be bought with a few trinkets or little shinny things, Canadians do care about what the government does in power good or bad, that they don't share the morals and values that conservatives hold, that have a high tolerance for corruption, lies and deceit... That patriotism for ones country is no longer something to strive for, it is who can fill their own pockets first... and that Canadians don't mind being divided over and over again...

So, not voting demonstrates you cannot be  bought by shinny little things? How is that demonstrating anything other than enabling the party you don't like? Or share conservative values?

By voting, you show your patriotism, by not voting, you show you do not care one way or another.

I feel very strongly about voting. It is not only my right to vote, but my duty

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