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47 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Can we look at data for this now, then ?

Both of the communities in the highest bracket, obtain among the most government "aid". 

Are among the most dependent. 

I don't have statistics, but am quite confident, that education levels are at the lowest and drop out rates are among the highest, along with teenage pregnancy, kids raising kids, repeating the cycle. 

These aren't white people issues, if this is what you're trying to get to. 

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Teach a man to fish, they will feed their family for life.

We believe in giving people fish, and that somehow via the dependency it creates, that they will be able to move on with their lives.

We prefer to apologize for past wrongs, send a bunch of cheques, talk defunding police, all victimizing people while doing absolutely nothing to help them get out of their own plight. 

Sooner or later, they will need to learn to fish.

Others who taught themselves to and supported each other that got out of their situations don't point to their plight, because its irrelevant. 

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9 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Both of the communities in the highest bracket, obtain among the most government "aid". 

Are among the most dependent. 

I don't have statistics, but am quite confident, that education levels are at the lowest and drop out rates are among the highest, along with teenage pregnancy, kids raising kids, repeating the cycle. 

These aren't white people issues, if this is what you're trying to get to. 

I provided the single parent graph.  It's not a black person issue either.

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1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

I provided the single parent graph.  It's not a black person issue either.

Correct. Its a community issue. Communities that are rife with crime, aren't solely black.

However, those that happen to have the lowest wages, highest drop out rates, teenage pregnancy rates etc, tend to be single parent households. 

Would marriage fix the issue? It's not the problem. 

To be more precise, you are seeing men predominantly at the bottom. Why is that? 

You have millions of fatherless homes. Sense of community gives you a powerful base against your environment. Without it, you're fish in a sea of sharks. 

Main reason why Asian communities are among the highest earning, even against white communities. 

It doesn't matter where they wind up. You're likeliest to have a married couple, pushing their kids to stay in school, and a social shame to desert your kids and divorce. 

You have to stick it out. 

This isn't a racial issue. Its a community issue. Making it racial,  ignores the family dynamics that would push any child to struggle. Not just black kids.

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We have a 14, 000 person trailer park north of reno. it is called Sun Valley. As of the latest count.. it is roughly 95% white. In the state of NV, 85% of drug arrests that do not happen in LV are tied to someone living here. Also, the rate of rescidivism (committing crimes again or going back to jail/prison) is roughly 75%. The issue here is two fold.. lack of community (everyone is a transplant from somewhere) and drugs (mostly ease of access). Being that 18% of all employment is tied to naics code 72 (food establishments) and 15% tied to retail.. both low paying industries.. the odds are steep. So to echo what is written above.. it is not completely racial. 

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12 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Correct. Invest in schools. Invest in transportation. Being poor shouldn't mean poorly educated.

I have seen countless schools cut programs like shop courses, and entrepreneurial courses. You're essentially making kids job ready with these courses.

Invest in rehabilitation of felons who qualify. The current US prison system profits on crime. Committing a crime and paying your dues, shouldn't destin you to recidivism due to the Scarlett A you have branded yourself with, regarding a jail record. Rap artists teaching you crime and glorifying it, are essentially teaching you how to be a government slave through prison systems.

I don't understand how hand outs help. You fix the broken system. Provide opportunity for black families to provide for their families.

Handing out cash is like the lottery. Majority go bankrupt within 5 years. Do you know why?

Give a drug addict 1000$, what do you think most will do? 

Give an uneducated family 1 million, what do you think they will do? Wisely invest it? 

You're pushing for bandaid solutions, and masking them as permanent ones.

Ask Aboriginal families how tax breaks and hand outs have helped their communities.

Until the opportunity bears fruit, survival REQUIRES money.

I am PUSHING for BOTH. Just like Sanders and AOC.

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9 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Am black. I grew up poor. 

I saw the issues in my community keeping it poor, and it had nothing to do with white people. 

Had nothing to do with the police. 

All I saw, just like myself, were fatherless children, being raised by young women unprepared to be mothers.

Men who often preferred treating women like objects, than teaching their sons that black women are queens.

The problems are mostly cultural. Using the past as a scapegoat, to avoid having to face the present problems that face their communities.

If people want change, when pointing fingers, realize three more point back at you.

I easily could have blamed my ex wife on my first divorce. She had serious mental health issues, that ultimately broke me as I wasn't strong enough to deal with them. 

What you're saying, is because of this, that am a victim (she was a violent binge drinker, and bipolar).

What am telling you, that using her for how I treat future partners, is an excuse. 

I saw a counselor as a result, and addressed the issues within me that had me pick a partner like this to begin with. Deep rooted childhood issues that had to be uncovered.

Am not trying to repeat my mistakes.

Its not your governments job to do this. This is your community. You as individuals play an equal part in how the community works.

Government played a HUGE role in creating the problems by sanctioning the BRUTALITY of SLAVERY and LAND DISPOSSESSTION of native Americans.

The US government is RESPONSIBLE for much of their misery and has an OBLIGATION to FIX IT.

You anecdotes may or may not be relevant, but if they're not, it doesn't change WHAT IS.

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7 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

On the other hand, what is actually happening is you guys aren't happy with what happened to your "Woke" label - just like you weren't happy when people noticed it was actually your team pushing what you wanted to call "Fake News." Or "Climate Change" from "Global Warming" because it became too easy to notice the Global disasters that were supposed to happen from warming weren't happening. A few bad weather events we'd seen in the past but the existential disaster you promising wasn't coming.

Who says it "wasn't coming"? You mean as fast as PREDICTED BY SOME?

Failure of alarmist predictions (designed to accelerate ACTION) does NOT mean it's not coming.

7 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

So now you're pouting because those of us who refuse to ignore the obvious see what you wanted to call "Woke" actually is.

Far from it. You're doing the same thing as detailed above. Taking ambiguous terms and mangling them for partisan ATTACK.

7 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

So you want to change it to "Diversity, Equity and Inclusion" DEI. Not to worry that's garbage too and when we get the time we'll be by to point at that and offer our chuckling interpretation of "Look the Emperor has no clothes."

You're just making excuses for your partisan AGENDA.

7 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

BTW did you know CRT actually spins out of something the original cultural Marxists were simply calling Critical Theory. All it means is if something exists in the culture which is working to hold it together it needs to be attacked.

Racism has NEVER worked "to hold culture together." Neither has intolerance of LGTBQ, except perhaps in ancient times when society depended on it for survival.

7 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

So now they want to concentrate on race now. What was evolving out of the culture was becoming a successful construct. People were starting to learn how to get along with each other. Marxists couldn't have that so they started telling people "No, white people must always be victimizers no matter how hard they try to get along or how bad many of them have it themselves and blacks must always be victims until the end of time. I don't know...cause history or new interpretations of history or something.

And if you think it doesn't it exist my advice is shove it up your ass and stop pushing it.

Sure. If It think your unsubstantiated OPINIONS are FoS, I certainly won't stop calling you out on them.

You can't even so much as cite an EXPERT to corroborate them.

IMO, "Marxists" have next to ZERO influence in America today.

Most liberals push for a HYBRID between capitalism and socialism, but that's not good enough for people like yourself or the ultra-cons in Congress.

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6 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

"Government aid" is an oxymoron in my opinion. 

I came to the same sad conclusion regarding the reserves in Canada.

The ancestors of the people who live there survived ten to twenty thousand winters on the prairies and even in Yukon/Alaska/NWT, while living with just stone age technology. Now they're having a hard time living in free modern houses with free government paycheques, free medical, free dental, etc.

The Canadian winters couldn't kill them in ten thousand years, but the richest government handouts anywhere on earth seem to be on track to do so. 

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41 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I came to the same sad conclusion regarding the reserves in Canada.

The ancestors of the people who live there survived ten to twenty thousand winters on the prairies and even in Yukon/Alaska/NWT, while living with just stone age technology. Now they're having a hard time living in free modern houses with free government paycheques, free medical, free dental, etc.

The Canadian winters couldn't kill them in ten thousand years, but the richest government handouts anywhere on earth seem to be on track to do so. 

Money won't fix broken communities. 

Among the highest in suicide, sexual assault, alcoholism, etc. 

Money just creates dependency. Provide them with tools, and they can have the dignity of helping themselves.

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16 hours ago, robosmith said:

Nothing is clear from ^this OPINION because you've given NO REASONING.

It's unclear to her supporters, that's for damn sure. 

AOC is an antisemite: She was condemned by the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum for trivializing the Holocaust. 

She is a prominent spokeswoman in favor of the Neo-Nazi NATO war in Ukraine. 

She uses Marxist cliches and racist comments about "token blacks". 

She posted a list of demands from BLM on Instagram to end violence even though BLM murdered an 8 year old black girl July 2020 in Atlanta. 

As a racist, AOC said the following:

"the people that are producing climate change, that’s right, those people, the ones destroying the Earth, driving entire species to extinction, killing children, ever notice how all those people look alike? ... the people who are producing climate change, the folks that are responsible for the largest amount of emissions, or communities or corporation, they tend to be predominantly white".

AOC is a filthy agitator - she's vermin, nothing more. 

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34 minutes ago, Deluge said:

It's unclear to her supporters, that's for damn sure. 

Or maybe it's NOT TRUE. Being an ultra-right winger, your judgement is heavily BIASED.

 

34 minutes ago, Deluge said:

AOC is an antisemite: She was condemned by the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum for trivializing the Holocaust.

Comparing border detention centers to Nazi concentration camps does NOT make ANYONE an "antisemite."

34 minutes ago, Deluge said:

She is a prominent spokeswoman in favor of the Neo-Nazi NATO war in Ukraine.

Sure. The DEFENSE being led by the Jewish President WITH NATO aid, is "Neo-Nazi."

You're DELUSIONAL. No need to read any further as you've completely discredited yourself.

 

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19 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Or maybe it's NOT TRUE. Being an ultra-right winger, your judgement is heavily BIASED.

 

Comparing border detention centers to Nazi concentration camps does NOT make ANYONE an "antisemite."

Sure. The DEFENSE being led by the Jewish President WITH NATO aid, is "Neo-Nazi."

You're DELUSIONAL. No need to read any further as you've completely discredited yourself.

 

It IS true - it's why you only half-a$$ed your way through my last post. lol

What border detention centers? What are you babbling about now? lol. What do border detention centers have to do with AOC's antisemitism? 

Wrong. The NATO war in Ukraine; a proxy war started by the US in 2014 with the violent overthrow of the democratically elected government of Ukraine in collaboration with Neo-nazi traitors to the Ukrainian nation. 

Actually, I'm kicking your a$$ up and down this subject. It's why you've joined that other invertebrate in the girl's bathroom. ;)

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On 3/27/2023 at 2:05 PM, Perspektiv said:

Around the 1960's are when you started to see dramatic drops in stable families among the black community in the US. Poverty isn't the issue here. Thats like looking at a flat tire and the road vs what caused the flat.

You also saw expansions in the welfare state, creating a dependency. 

Many factors play a role, but the core one, is the loss of family stability. 

You can't expect positivity when over 70% of the people in your community live in single parent house holds. Thats almost 3/4 your future men, growing fatherless. In bad environments, no less.

Add to that a single mom, typically having to work to keep you fed, removing an additional and critical layer to a child's upbringing--IE maternal love.

Your claim has no basis in fact.

Divorce rates have climbed in the US across all demographics. Ronald Reagan was divorced. Donald Trump was divorced THREE TIMES.  Those men didn’t divorce because they were on welfare, did they?

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16 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Money just creates dependency. 

 This is an old chestnut for folks arguing against the social safety net, but I've yet to see any reasonable explanation for a mechanism that creates dependency.

Presumably, there was a time in your life in which you made a lot less money, but could still meet your basic needs for food and shelter. Did achieving that basic, subsistence lifestyle demotivate you? Did you have any less ambition or less desire to elevate your status or acquire more luxury? Did you want less?

Or, alternatively, you could quit your job now and move down into poverty, meeting your basic needs with assistance, but little else. Is there any appeal to that? Is it a struggle to avoid doing making that choice and what keeps you from it?

Those are largely rhetorical questions and I'm pretty confident that I know the answers. They're probably the same for you as they are for me. So my question is why do you think the majority of people would have different answers? People with little or no income may be dependent on aid to meet basic needs, but I don't see that meeting those needs creates further dependency? And I certainly don't see how it would discourage or demotivate people who want more. For anyone who wants more, it's a safe platform from which to pursue goals. 

 

 

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