Army Guy Posted February 17, 2023 Report Posted February 17, 2023 6 hours ago, Moonbox said: It's too dumb of a question. I explained why, gave you a chance to clarify, and instead you're "moving on". Unsurprising. and here you are again, coming to the defense of another donkey spam-thread. You can't help yourself...? Then why engage if it was to dumb question , just ignore and move on...and i'm moving on becasue you have done this over and over again all with the same results. You've made it your mantra to defend liberals actions, while maintaining your conservativism... I'm not defending any post i asked a question it seems to cause you some discomfort... Justins liberal government has done very little for the nation in the last 8 years in regards to major policies or bills... I asked you to prove me wrong , but you can't so now you've sat down and started to pout, about how it is a stupid question is... So i am moving on... Anyone else want to give it a go? Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Moonbox Posted February 17, 2023 Report Posted February 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Army Guy said: Then why engage if it was to dumb question , just ignore and move on...and i'm moving on becasue you have done this over and over again all with the same results. You've made it your mantra to defend liberals actions, while maintaining your conservativism... Why not? If you're saying dumb things, and asking dumb questions, I'm likely to point that out. 2 hours ago, Army Guy said: Justins liberal government has done very little for the nation in the last 8 years in regards to major policies or bills... I asked you to prove me wrong , but you can't so now you've sat down and started to pout, about how it is a stupid question is... So i am moving on... No, you demanded we come up with 10 major policy achievements for Justin, refusing to explain what "major" even meant, why 10 was the magic number, or whether any Prime Minister in Canadian history had succeeded in this. Instead of answering, you resorted to this new "mantra" of whining and pouting and telling us you're taking your ball home when you don't like the responses you're getting. If you're moving on, then do it. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Queenmandy85 Posted February 17, 2023 Report Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, Army Guy said: Then why engage if it was to dumb question , just ignore and move on...and i'm moving on becasue you have done this over and over again all with the same results. You've made it your mantra to defend liberals actions, while maintaining your conservativism... I'm not defending any post i asked a question it seems to cause you some discomfort... Justins liberal government has done very little for the nation in the last 8 years in regards to major policies or bills... I asked you to prove me wrong , but you can't so now you've sat down and started to pout, about how it is a stupid question is... So i am moving on... Anyone else want to give it a go? Okay. First achievement was building the multi-partisan coalition to prevent a hostile US congress from wrecking NAFTA. Second achievement was to pull together a team of all Provincial governments to respond to a deadly pandemic, saving thousands of Canadian lives, while the pestilance raged through our neighbour visting upon them the most terrible catastrophe in US history. Yes, the grits have under performed on several files, but, when it came to real crises, they stepped up and did a good job. Perhaps the leaders of the opposition would have done as well. They would have received the same advice the professionals in the civil service provided to the current government, but the grits were in power and they get the credit. None of these laurels belong solely to the Federal Government. They are shared by the Provinces as well. Edited February 17, 2023 by Queenmandy85 spelling 1 Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
Army Guy Posted February 17, 2023 Report Posted February 17, 2023 15 hours ago, Moonbox said: Why not? If you're saying dumb things, and asking dumb questions, I'm likely to point that out. No, you demanded we come up with 10 major policy achievements for Justin, refusing to explain what "major" even meant, why 10 was the magic number, or whether any Prime Minister in Canadian history had succeeded in this. Instead of answering, you resorted to this new "mantra" of whining and pouting and telling us you're taking your ball home when you don't like the responses you're getting. If you're moving on, then do it. I get it your having a bad day, got some MAJOR brain fog going on, as i understand it, the word "major" is in every English Dictionary on the planet it is not magic, it's meaning does not change, it is just a word thats definition has not changed in the last 2 or 3 thousand years...but hey if you feel the need to blame someone pick me, I get pissed when someone asks me tough questions as well. You have not given any meaningful response except whine about the question, or made up some excuse about the question is dumb.... my kids say that when it is to tough.... and I'm not leaving and taking your ball home... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted February 17, 2023 Report Posted February 17, 2023 6 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said: Okay. First achievement was building the multi-partisan coalition to prevent a hostile US congress from wrecking NAFTA. Second achievement was to pull together a team of all Provincial governments to respond to a deadly pandemic, saving thousands of Canadian lives, while the pestilance raged through our neighbour visting upon them the most terrible catastrophe in US history. Yes, the grits have under performed on several files, but, when it came to real crises, they stepped up and did a good job. Perhaps the leaders of the opposition would have done as well. They would have received the same advice the professionals in the civil service provided to the current government, but the grits were in power and they get the credit. None of these laurels belong solely to the Federal Government. They are shared by the Provinces as well. Fair enough, NATFA is an example of a major policy that has benefited the nation, but it did come at a cost aluminum tariffs, and concessions on the dairy side, that being said lets not kid ourselves if MAGA man gets reelected this was all for naught, it is a sore point for him and he is not going to let it sit... Pandemic was another, there was not right or wrong way to do this, it was successful and the country did pass through the other side, But it is not over, in it's wake we have massive shortages of medical personal, and our health care system over all is in shatters, and the recent attempts are just Band-Aids. Not to mention the countless billions that were wasted or went unaccounted for, or paid out to people who did not qualify, like dead people, convicts, etc... and then we are told it may not be feasible to recover that money... Thank you for attempting to answer it. 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Moonbox Posted February 17, 2023 Report Posted February 17, 2023 29 minutes ago, Army Guy said: I get it your having a bad day, got some MAJOR brain fog going on, as i understand it, the word "major" is in every English Dictionary on the planet it is not magic, it's meaning does not change, it is just a word thats definition has not changed in the last 2 or 3 thousand years...but hey if you feel the need to blame someone pick me, I get pissed when someone asks me tough questions as well. I gave you 4 major policies off the top of my head with no effort, none of which you accepted. As you so often do, you decide what the meaning of subjective words like "major" mean to suit your argument. I therefore asked you three times to explain what qualifies as major. You refused. I've asked you three times to give us an example of a prime minister with 10 major policy achievements. You've refused. If you won't even clarify your criteria, or provide an example of someone achieving the lofty benchmark you insist Trudeau needs to meet, then you've proven your question is dumb. I'm fine with letting that stand - it's hardly unusual for you these days. Tell us more about how angry Trudeau makes you. Start a few more threads. Get it all out. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Army Guy Posted February 17, 2023 Report Posted February 17, 2023 56 minutes ago, Moonbox said: I gave you 4 major policies off the top of my head with no effort, none of which you accepted. As you so often do, you decide what the meaning of subjective words like "major" mean to suit your argument. I therefore asked you three times to explain what qualifies as major. You refused. I've asked you three times to give us an example of a prime minister with 10 major policy achievements. You've refused. If you won't even clarify your criteria, or provide an example of someone achieving the lofty benchmark you insist Trudeau needs to meet, then you've proven your question is dumb. I'm fine with letting that stand - it's hardly unusual for you these days. Tell us more about how angry Trudeau makes you. Start a few more threads. Get it all out. You should talk to Queen, he'll explain it all to you, he had no issues with answering the question, he even knew what Major was, go figure, and he did it all with out any slander, or whining and the world is still spinning, imagine that. I did not refuse your question, infact explained it to you a few times, sometimes it is just better to cut and run... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Moonbox Posted February 17, 2023 Report Posted February 17, 2023 18 minutes ago, Army Guy said: You should talk to Queen, he'll explain it all to you, he had no issues with answering the question, he even knew what Major was, go figure, and he did it all with out any slander, or whining and the world is still spinning, imagine that. He provided two policy achievements, which is fewer than the four I highlighted, and definitely fewer than the 10 you were asking for, if my math is correct. ? 18 minutes ago, Army Guy said: I did not refuse your question, infact explained it to you a few times, sometimes it is just better to cut and run... I asked you one very specific question, which you absolutely did not even try to answer: Who was a Prime Minister with 10 major policy achievements? This should be easy for you, because that's the standard you demand of Trudeau. If you can't or won't provide it, then you implicitly concede that your standards are ridiculous. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Army Guy Posted February 17, 2023 Report Posted February 17, 2023 14 minutes ago, Moonbox said: He provided two policy achievements, which is fewer than the four I highlighted, and definitely fewer than the 10 you were asking for, if my math is correct. ? I asked you one very specific question, which you absolutely did not even try to answer: Who was a Prime Minister with 10 major policy achievements? This should be easy for you, because that's the standard you demand of Trudeau. If you can't or won't provide it, then you implicitly concede that your standards are ridiculous. Take a look at your answers and try to explain why they are major accomplishments to this country ? even you said that there was that many in your examples... you asked what i meant by major... and i did answer that question... I'll answer any of your questions as soon as you answer mine...and really goggling it is not that hard...you sure your not high right now. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Moonbox Posted February 18, 2023 Report Posted February 18, 2023 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Take a look at your answers and try to explain why they are major accomplishments to this country ? even you said that there was that many in your examples... Legalizing cannabis wasn't a major policy? ? 56 minutes ago, Army Guy said: I'll answer any of your questions as soon as you answer mine...and really goggling it is not that hard...you sure your not high right now. What seems to be harder (for you at least) is following through on your own dense logic. Follow along here: You're asking if Trudeau has 10 major, positive policy achievements. In response, I'm asking if any Prime Minister in Canadian history has. If you can't answer my question, then you have the answer to your own question, and as a bonus you've also proven how dumb your reasoning was in the first place. On the other hand, if I answer your question with the answer you want (with a "no"), we've proven nothing unless you can provide an example of another PM who does satisfy the criteria you've set. If you can't, then your criteria and standards are by default useless and arbitrary for evaluation. Either way, we've gone nowhere until you answer my question. ? That's ignoring the fact that the number of policy achievements, major or otherwise, is obviously a shitty framework for efficacy by virtue of the fact that ONE single major achievement could cement a Prime Minister's positive legacy in history, or that 10 major positives might not outweight one monumental f*ckup. This is critical thinking. This is how it works. They teach this in 1st year university. Try it. Look at both sides of an argument. Edited February 18, 2023 by Moonbox Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Army Guy Posted February 18, 2023 Report Posted February 18, 2023 38 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Legalizing cannabis wasn't a major policy? ? What seems to be harder (for you at least) is following through on your own dense logic. Follow along here: You're asking if Trudeau has 10 major, positive policy achievements. In response, I'm asking if any Prime Minister in Canadian history has. If you can't answer my question, then you have the answer to your own question, and as a bonus you've also proven how dumb your reasoning was in the first place. On the other hand, if I answer your question with the answer you want (with a "no"), we've proven nothing unless you can provide an example of another PM who does satisfy the criteria you've set. If you can't, then your criteria and standards are by default useless and arbitrary for evaluation. Either way, we've gone nowhere until you answer my question. ? That's ignoring the fact that the number of policy achievements, major or otherwise, is obviously a shitty framework for efficacy by virtue of the fact that ONE single major achievement could cement a Prime Minister's positive legacy in history, or that 10 major positives might not outweight one monumental f*ckup. This is critical thinking. This is how it works. They teach this in 1st year university. Try it. Look at both sides of an argument. lets say it was, did it have a major benefit to the nation, don't get me wrong after the military i do enjoy getting high, but what did it do for the country, and was it really a federal project or provincial on, rules and regulations are provincial, the role out here in NB and in most provinces was a train wreck, it would take years to sort out problems that should have been solved at the start. We are not proving anything that YOU do not already know, this liberal government has very few accomplishments to brag about... almost every department is under manned and under funded...and 2 years of pandemic did not do all of that, this neglect that dates back more than 8 years, but Justin had a full 8 years to take one or some and improve upon it... and decided to ingnor it. And if this government has this record, of poor performance why would people want to reelect it, besides it is a NDP government they are the ones making Justin spend over his planed budget, but some how the liberals' are good with that as well. And did we really need a new social program , dental care for the poor, great another project we can under fund and neglect instead here is a novel idea lets properly fund the ones we have first... And yet justin does not have that one legacy policy or bill does he... Sorry i did not go to university, i was serving my country in other ways, in peace keeping and peace making, and finally in full combat, i did how ever find the time to take some university level courses in leadership, man management, critical thinking, military history, tactics, plus managed to get in all the parting other university student get to do. And in this case the liberal government they barely have 2 sides, and in my opinion, i find very little of value with liberal thinking or values. They are not what i was taught when growing up, or while a soldier. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
TreeBeard Posted February 18, 2023 Report Posted February 18, 2023 On 2/14/2023 at 2:56 PM, blackbird said: Source of Human Rights Left: government Right: the Creator In Canada, which rights came from the creator? Quote
Army Guy Posted February 18, 2023 Report Posted February 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: In Canada, which rights came from the creator? Most western values come from the Bible, and those values are what a lot of our laws are based on, of course they would be reflected upon in our constitutional rights. or maybe it was from Doug and bob Mackenzie and they dug those tablet up behind the market in Ottawa. 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Dougie93 Posted February 18, 2023 Report Posted February 18, 2023 8 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: In Canada, which rights came from the creator? technically, all of them according to the preamble of the Charter of Rights & Freedoms : "whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law.” 2 Quote
Dougie93 Posted February 18, 2023 Report Posted February 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Most western values come from the Bible note that the Canadian Charter even surpasses the Declaration of Independence in this regard the deist Founding Fathers of America would only invoke a "Creator" proxy while the Canadian Constitution actually invokes God Himself Quote
Dougie93 Posted February 18, 2023 Report Posted February 18, 2023 25 minutes ago, Army Guy said: and those values are what a lot of our laws are based on, of course they would be reflected upon in our constitutional rights. once again, the monarchy is Canada's only saving grace as no matter how many residents are godless atheist Communist traitors they cannot escape the fact that their Head of State by the Constitution Act is officially God's representative on Earth Dileas Gu Brath 1 Quote
TreeBeard Posted February 18, 2023 Report Posted February 18, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Army Guy said: Most western values come from the Bible Which Canadian values/rights are biblical? Free expression? Nope. Religious freedom? Nope. Minority rights, like gay people, for instance? Nope. Equality of women? Nope. Voting rights? Nope. Which ones? Edited February 18, 2023 by TreeBeard Quote
blackbird Posted February 18, 2023 Author Report Posted February 18, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Which Canadian values/rights are biblical? Free expression? Nope. Religious freedom? Nope. Minority rights, like gay people, for instance? Nope. Equality of women? Nope. Voting rights? Nope. Which ones? Basic human rights came through Judeo-Christian civilization down through history. It is the concepts that came from the Bible such as the love of neighbour and respect for individual rights which are implied in the ten commandments as one example. Countries such as China, Russia, and Islamic countries in Africa and the middle east do not have human rights such as an elected government, a fair justice system, right to vote, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, and freedom of the press. Non-Christian countries simply do not believe in the sanctity of individual rights in the way western nations do. These rights are generally non-existent in non-Christian countries. These rights did not appear instantly, but developed over time. Edited February 18, 2023 by blackbird 1 Quote
Michael Hardner Posted February 18, 2023 Report Posted February 18, 2023 6 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Which Canadian values/rights are biblical? Free expression? Nope. Religious freedom? Nope. Minority rights, like gay people, for instance? Nope. Equality of women? Nope. Voting rights? Nope. Which ones? Values from Great Britain, laws from Babylon. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
blackbird Posted February 18, 2023 Author Report Posted February 18, 2023 I agree with Pierre Poilievre, Trudeau is the cause of the Freedom Convoy and the cause of so much division in Canada. He divides Canadians in every way possible. One only need to think about it a little. He has created this mess. His actions have caused the high inflation, high cost of living that many people simply cannot afford. He has been vindictive in his approach to governing and turned Canadians against each other. You see how Liberals operate in various departments. Trudeau brought in extreme gun legislation causing even more division; then they backed down and withdrew after they had caused a firestorm. They brought in legislation allowing dangerous offenders out on bail and causing grief for countless Canadians and killing police officers. This also divides Canadians. Then all the Premiers, police chiefs call for a change in the bail system and instead of immediately rising to the occasion, the justice minister brings in a feel good review system of people wrongly convicted. This makes them look like angels, but they haven't dealt with the issues that really are troubling Canadians, the bail system and the proliferation of illegal guns coming across the border. Quote
blackbird Posted February 18, 2023 Author Report Posted February 18, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Values from Great Britain Yes, we inherited our Parliamentary system from Britain. Before the Protestant Reformation in the 1500s, Europe was in the dark ages under the rule of totalitarian dictators (Kings, Emperors, and above them the Papacy in Rome). There were very little human rights. They ruled mercilessly from Rome with the Holy Roman Inquisition and burned rebels on the stake or threw them in prison and tortured many. Then in the 1500s, the Reformation came along and various reformers such as Tyndale (who was burned at the stake), translated the Bible into English so the ordinary people could read it. Rome had kept the people in darkness under its system and rule for a thousand years. Now the reformers Martin Luther in Germany, John Calvin in Geneva, John Knox in Scotland, Tyndale in England and others came along and opened the eyes of the people. King Henry VIII was convinced to reject Romanism. After years of struggle, they kicked the Roman power out of Britain and part of northern Europe. As a result, the people demanded elected governments and received them. "The Parliament of Great Britain was formed in May 1707 following the ratification of the Acts of Union by both the Parliament of England and the Parliament of Scotland. The Acts ratified the treaty of Union which created a new unified Kingdom of Great Britain and created the parliament of Great Britain located in the former home of the English parliament in the Palace of Westminster, near the City of London. This lasted nearly a century, until the Acts of Union 1800 merged the separate British and Irish Parliaments into a single Parliament of the United Kingdom with effect from 1 January 1801." Parliament of Great Britain - Wikipedia This happened after the Reformation in the 1500s and 1600s. The age of renewal arrived and human rights began to take hold in Europe and then in America with the forming of the American Republic and the U.S. Constitution. As part of these developments, democracy grew as western civilization realized the Biblical truths of respect of the individual mattered and rights became enshrined in laws and Constitutions, including in Canada. This never happened in the rest of the world. Much of the world remained in darkness and human rights never became an issue. But because Europe and America had a Judeo-Christian heritage, the principles of democracy and human rights became more important and guided the development of western nations. The rest of the world remained in darkness with Africa remaining divided up into tribalism (with some smaller Christian groups started by missionaries) and still that way today to a large extent, the middle east and northern Africa ruled by Islamic dictatorships, and Asia in the cover of eastern religions such as Hinduism (with its thousands of gods) and Buddhism, and other similar religions. Trudeau and Liberals (and NDP) don't understand this and want to make Canada more of an international country, or post-national state. They want to bring in millions of people from the third world who do not believe in Judeo-Christian values or have any idea of what they mean. Many of them are believers in leftism or Socialism/Liberalism. This is how Canada's western civilization is being destroyed. We see it happening in Europe as well. Edited February 18, 2023 by blackbird Quote
Dougie93 Posted February 18, 2023 Report Posted February 18, 2023 3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Values from Great Britain and those values are expressed by the axiom HM defends the right and that all dates back to the Glorious Revolution of 1688 the right that HM defends is the right to be a Protestant in the face of the Pope in Rome that is the creation story of the Parliament of Westminster, to include the one in Ottawa this Scots Protestant revolution against Charles I is the basis of all modern British to include Canadian society from this Glorious Revolution in the name of the Reformation, is where all Canadian rights & obligations emanate Quote
Moonbox Posted February 18, 2023 Report Posted February 18, 2023 15 hours ago, Army Guy said: lets say it was, did it have a major benefit to the nation Sure it did. It decriminalized and destigmatized something that half of Canadians were already doing, removed a burden from law enforcement and our justice system and opened new (legal) markets and sources of tax revenue. 15 hours ago, Army Guy said: We are not proving anything that YOU do not already know, this liberal government has very few accomplishments to brag about... Okay, but that's sort of been the Canadian Federal Government for the last 25 years. I would say the last truly remarkable accomplishment of any of our last few PMs was the program cuts and budget balancing by Chretien back in the 1990's. Since then, nobody's really done much of anything, doing little more than exist on life support while pandering to the individual groups they think can keep them in power. That goes for Justin, Stevie and Paul. 15 hours ago, Army Guy said: And did we really need a new social program , dental care for the poor, great another project we can under fund and neglect instead here is a novel idea lets properly fund the ones we have first... Dental care for the poor is actually a fantastic policy. We're not going to get poor people off the streets or out of squalor if they have hobo teeth, because nobody will hire them. 15 hours ago, Army Guy said: Sorry i did not go to university, i was serving my country in other ways, in peace keeping and peace making, and finally in full combat, i did how ever find the time to take some university level courses in leadership, man management, critical thinking, military history, tactics, plus managed to get in all the parting other university student get to do. I can't speak for anything else, but you're demonstrating precious little critical thinking on this forum, unless you think that complaining about Justin non-stop counts. 15 hours ago, Army Guy said: And in this case the liberal government they barely have 2 sides, and in my opinion, i find very little of value with liberal thinking or values. They are not what i was taught when growing up, or while a soldier. Because you see everything in black and white. Liberal (whatever that means to you) is bad. Justin is bad. Conservative is good. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Army Guy Posted February 18, 2023 Report Posted February 18, 2023 8 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Sure it did. It decriminalized and destigmatized something that half of Canadians were already doing, removed a burden from law enforcement and our justice system and opened new (legal) markets and sources of tax revenue. Okay, but that's sort of been the Canadian Federal Government for the last 25 years. I would say the last truly remarkable accomplishment of any of our last few PMs was the program cuts and budget balancing by Chretien back in the 1990's. Since then, nobody's really done much of anything, doing little more than exist on life support while pandering to the individual groups they think can keep them in power. That goes for Justin, Stevie and Paul. Dental care for the poor is actually a fantastic policy. We're not going to get poor people off the streets or out of squalor if they have hobo teeth, because nobody will hire them. I can't speak for anything else, but you're demonstrating precious little critical thinking on this forum, unless you think that complaining about Justin non-stop counts. Because you see everything in black and white. Liberal (whatever that means to you) is bad. Justin is bad. Conservative is good. So it has been a benefit for some Canadians, who no long have to explain on a job interview what criminal charges they have, Law enforcement are still dealing with illegal weed operations, that despite legalization are still alive and well. criminal under ground are not down with weed just yet. It is a source of revenue, but becasue it had a rough start is no where at it's potential even today. Yes but that was not the question, it was aimed at todays liberal government. That being said those cuts by Chretien came at a huge cost, that were not worth the pain and suffering , successive governments destroyed all those gains for political points. Well that is worth the bils being dumped into that program, i just for shits and giggles who many poor people have bad teeth and can not get a job... is it in the thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions... where if that funding was dumped into our health care, it would have benefited more people...including all the poor people. Thats your opinion, and you do the same only on the opposite page, Yes i am a conservative, i have been raised with conservative values, my father and his father were in the military, it is not about left vs right, it is about right vs wrong... to me working hard, honesty, integrity, honor, tradition, being a good father, husband, having good manners, all were more than words but things to live by. and the liberal government for the most part fail to live up to any of that...And i question liberal voters for accepting all of it as normal or expected. So yes it is black and white. and not everything conservatives do is good with me either, take the military for instance i have voiced my negative opinion on them many times. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Moonbox Posted February 18, 2023 Report Posted February 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: Yes but that was not the question, it was aimed at todays liberal government. That being said those cuts by Chretien came at a huge cost, that were not worth the pain and suffering , successive governments destroyed all those gains for political points. So you're a fan of fiscal conservatism, but not if it was from a formal Liberal government, because it came at a "huge cost"? I think I'm seeing a trend here. 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: Thats your opinion, and you do the same only on the opposite page, Problem is that I can deconstruct your argument and show why it doesn't work, whereas you just sort of huff and puff. 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: Yes i am a conservative, i have been raised with conservative values, my father and his father were in the military, it is not about left vs right, it is about right vs wrong... to me working hard, honesty, integrity, honor, tradition, being a good father, husband, having good manners, all were more than words but things to live by. and the liberal government for the most part fail to live up to any of that...And i question liberal voters for accepting all of it as normal or expected. So Liberals are all about bad manners, no honor, being bad fathers and husbands? ? 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: So yes it is black and white. and not everything conservatives do is good with me either, take the military for instance i have voiced my negative opinion on them many times. It's not black and white, and to insist that is that is demonstrates the problem with your way of thinking. The best part is that you contradict yourself in the same sentence you say that. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
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