Is Canada a full democracy?

[Dougie93]

20 minutes ago, myata said:

Exactly

most Canadians have never heard of the Battle of Ridgeway in 1866

when the Irish American Fenian veterans of the Civil War tried to invade and overthrow the Crown

their plan was to hold Canada hostage in ransom for Irish freedom

that was the formation war of Canadian Confederation

because the panic that ensued  in the wake,  is what leads to Confederation just one year later

prior to the Fenian's, none of the colonies here wanted to Confederate

they all wanted to remain colonies of the UK separate from each other

but then London said that the British Army was not actually coming to defend Canada from America

nobody was coming to save Canada, Canada would have to save itself

and thus the Canada's were forced to become Canada

which is why the Confederation is so dysfunctional

because it's actually a shotgun marriage imposed on Canada by London

to wit, Canada did not choose to leave the British Empire : Canada was kicked out against its will

this fear of being rejected and then overrun by the Americans

is the underlying force which drives all Canadian social behaviour

its happening right before your eyes in real time

the knee jerk Canadian authoritarianism is all related to keeping the Americans at bay

every country has its own pathology

Canada keeping itself in check, in order to keep the Americans out, is the Canadian disease

Edited February 18, 2023 by Dougie93

[Aristides]

22 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Trudeau has broken this country up like no other PM has ever done.  He has divided Canadians in every way possible and through various means has made the cost of living impossible to keep up with for many Canadians.  He has attacked Canadians in every way possible.  This is what caused the Freedom Convoy.  Most of the protesters were peaceful people, but he even insulted and attacked peaceful people.  He is dangerous and destructive.  As a result of this divisive PM we are losing our democracy.  A good PM would have united people.  He does the exact opposite for political gain.

And yet you think your discourse is somehow unifying.

[Dougie93]

when Canadians think of uncivilized ?

they are not thinking of Russia nor China nor certainly not Lebanon

the Canadian definition of uncivilized ; is the Americans

thus the Canadian definition of civilized is simply not being the Americans

the reason Canadians want to pay tax and pay more tax all the time

is because that is the opposite of what the Americans want

[Dougie93]

in terms of Americans

Americans live in fear & loathing of Washington D.C. the way Canadians live in fear & loathing of America

the Terrible Swift Sword could descend on the states at any moment

Americans view taxes as being something imposed from Washington

which by the American ethos, is Taxation Without Representation

[blackbird]

39 minutes ago, Aristides said:

And yet you think your discourse is somehow unifying.

 I am not the one who is dividing Canada.  I am not the government.  It is the Trudeau government that is doing it.  I am only telling the truth.   Canada cannot be united under this kind of government.  That is obvious.  What is your solution?

[Aristides]

Bull, all you do is go on about the left which is no more a single thing than the right.

[blackbird]

Just now, Aristides said:

Bull, all you do is go on about the left which is no more a single thing than the right.

You're not making sense.   You didn't answer the question either.  The problem is the left/liberal government we have that is destroying Canada.

[Aristides]

Just now, blackbird said:

You're not making sense.   You didn't answer the question either.  The problem is the left/liberal government we have that is destroying Canada.

Oh bullshit, no one is destroying Canada except hyper partisans who think uniting the country is accomplished by yelling louder and listening less.

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

Oh bullshit, no one is destroying Canada except hyper partisans who think uniting the country is accomplished by yelling louder and listening less.

You are in denial and are a part of problem.  What does "hyper partisan" even mean?  I guess it means if we don't support you liberal-leftists we are partisan and are the problem.  

The problems are endless because of leftism which is destroying the west.

[blackbird]

12 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Oh bullshit, no one is destroying Canada except hyper partisans who think uniting the country is accomplished by yelling louder and listening less.

Have a look at the article on how Communist China has been working to keep the Liberal left government in Canada in power. Communist China prefers to see Canada go leftist and authoritarian and against freedom. 

Notice how the media doesn't say it like that.  They only say there has been some interference in Canada's election process but are careful to not say Communist China has been working to keep the Liberals in power.

CSIS documents reveal Chinese strategy to influence Canada’s 2021 election - Federal Politics - Repolitics.com - Political Discussion Forums

 

 

 

Edited February 18, 2023 by blackbird

[OftenWrong]

How long has it been the case, and did Mr. Trudeau already know about it when he so famously said he admires China for the "basic dictatorship".

Basic is one word for it, alright...

[Aristides]

24 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You are in denial and are a part of problem.  What does "hyper partisan" even mean?  I guess it means if we don't support you liberal-leftists we are partisan and are the problem.  

The problems are endless because of leftism which is destroying the west.

It means people like you who see the "left" as some kind of entity. Your labeling me is proof you are just as much of a problem.

[Dougie93]

24 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

How long has it been the case, and did Mr. Trudeau already know about it when he so famously said he admires China for the "basic dictatorship".

Basic is one word for it, alright...

the origin of dictatorship is democratic

dictator is an ancient Roman office

in an emergency, the Roman Senate would appoint a dictator for the duration

so a dictator has always been elected

[Nefarious Banana]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

Trudeau has broken this country up like no other PM has ever done.  He has divided Canadians in every way possible and through various means has made the cost of living impossible to keep up with for many Canadians.  He has attacked Canadians in every way possible.  This is what caused the Freedom Convoy.  Most of the protesters were peaceful people, but he even insulted and attacked peaceful people.  He is dangerous and destructive.  As a result of this divisive PM we are losing our democracy.  A good PM would have united people.  He does the exact opposite for political gain.

Justin Trudeau is an enemy of Canada.  He's a traitor.  Nothing more . . . just a traitor.

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Justin Trudeau is an enemy of Canada.  He's a traitor.  Nothing more . . . just a traitor.

what about all the public officials who simply rubber stamp everything he does ?

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

It means people like you who see the "left" as some kind of entity. Your labeling me is proof you are just as much of a problem.

Are you denying there is an entity that is liberal and left in Canada?  Which party would you prefer?

[Aristides]

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Are you denying there is an entity that is liberal and left in Canada?  Which party would you prefer?

Of course there is but there is also right and CPC. There are also a multitude of shades in between. That’s why labels are not an argument, they are the opposite. You won’t convince those shades in between by calling them names, you will do the opposite.

None of your business. 

Edited February 18, 2023 by Aristides

[Guest]

A Democracy is when your party wins.  A Dictatorship is when the other party wins.

New definitions for the 21st century.

[Moonlight Graham]

In Canada we get to choose which corrupt tyrant we want to be ruled by.

[blackbird]

23 minutes ago, Aristides said:

None of your business. 

That is an admission you support leftism.  Leftism is what is destroying democracy and western civilization. 

Edited February 18, 2023 by blackbird

[dialamah]

15 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

In Canada we get to choose which corrupt tyrant we want to be ruled by.

I guess that's a form of democracy.

[Aristides]

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

That is an admission you support leftism.  Leftism is what is destroying democracy and western civilization. 

It isn't an admission of anything. I owe nothing to someone who calls me names and if you think you will convince anyone of anything by doing so, you are a fool.

[Moonlight Graham]

2 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

what about all the public officials who simply rubber stamp everything he does ?

The Liberal Party is run by people who care about their own power than the country or its democracy.

Maybe there's a few liberal backbemchers who stand up for what's right, but they won't get anywhere in the party by honoring their oaths of office.

Our parties are run as top down hierarchies.  An MP who is party leader vs an MP in cabinet vs an MP on the backbench is not providing equal democratic representation of their constituents.  The PM uses their power to enforce their agenda on the others.

Ask Jody Wilson Raybould and the clapping seals who went with the PM over her to oust her because they were afraid of their jobs, rather than choosing to stand up for democracy.

They're all self-serving cowards with no honour.

[blackbird]

10 minutes ago, Aristides said:

It isn't an admission of anything. I owe nothing to someone who calls me names and if you think you will convince anyone of anything by doing so, you are a fool.

Try to find something intelligent to say to justify supporting leftism rather than personal attacks and insults.

[blackbird]

42 minutes ago, Aristides said:

I owe nothing to someone who calls me names

Where did I call you names?  I looked back through the comments and could not find one place.