85.7% of Covid Deaths in Canada Were Among the Multi-Vaxed from Aug to Sept of 2022. Jabbing 85% of the Population Didn't Reduce Deaths

[WestCanMan]

33 minutes ago, Hodad said:

You have no idea what the definition of vaccine is, and you clearly can't understand the data, and you've resorted once again to quoting me out of context.

It's weird that you're using an appeal to authority argument when the authority that you're appealing is to is yourself, and you've been proven the fool here many times.

I never quoted you out of context at all, your quote is just as dumb as it looks. 

The number of deaths do matter, in fact, they matter more than anything else by a long margin. It's not even close.

Do you think that Canadians would have approved of the massive expense of a vaccination campaign, propaganda campaign, forcing young people who didn't need the experimental drug to take it or lose their jobs, vaccinate children, all to just end up with the exact same number of deaths?

You're really trying to pretend that "It took more cases to generate the exact same number of deaths that we expected had we not vaxed anyone" is a valid defence of vax success?

Same number of deaths year over year. Covid deaths at the exact same rate/100,000 people during the exact same span of time. A success because.... Hodad says that case mortality rate was lower ? 

Dude, we test more people than ever. 

Do you realize that the gov't had to change the way they record infections during the last flu season to tone it down? 

Read the top line on the photo below, and look how high case counts are artificially LOW due to changes in testing policies despite the fact that the number of cases is still so high.

More tests = more cases. 

Like I said, we're not counting deadly snake bites, where basically everyone goes to the Dr, we're taking about covid, where lots of people go back to work now. 

Counting extra cases means dick all. There could be 100,000 people infected right now or 3,000, it makes no difference because the symptoms are so mild. If there are 1,000 deaths in each of the above time periods, that's a big deal. If there are 3x as many in one period, that's a big deal. We count toe tags, not sniffles. 

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Maybe Myata will explain it to you. They distrust the accuracy of the data but seem to understand the math just fine. 

 

I don't distrust the data. They actually had the balls to put data out there that's extremely unflattering.

I also understand the math done on those charts implicitly. That's why I'm always having to explain to you exactly what it means. The math is just done in a way that is intentionally misleading. If you're really mathematically challenged enough that you don't understand that, that's your problem. 

FYI: a chart making a direct comparison between the # or % of covid deaths among 4xers and unvaxed between Dec 14 2020 and Sept 25th 2022 should not exist, period.  The number of days of exposure by 4xers is about 1/20th that of the unvaxed, and the unvaxed went through 2 flu seasons, 4xers zero. They just went through one summer, and you can ask Beave what covid deaths do in the summertime because I just rubbed his nose in it in another thread. 

The only reason to make a chart like the one you keep posting is to be intentionally misleading. 

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The seatbelt analogy is beautiful in that it *perfectly* illustrates the garbage logic you are trying to use.

Your seatbelt analogy was useless, and yes, mine was perfect. Do you need me to dig them up?

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Outboard shoulder belts became mandatory on all cars starting in 1968. Yet automotive fatalities went UP in 1969 and literally every year since.

And the number of cars on the road has gone up every year. It's a stupid analogy.

The population of Canada didn't go up in order to result in the slight increase in covid deaths. 

Did you see the paltry number of "cases" that resulted in all those covid deaths in early 2020? Do I have to tell you why the "case count" seems really low compared to all the deaths? 

I probably do need to tell you, but I won't, because I don't care what you think. You're just gonna keep lying about the stats anyways. 

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You continue to argue that the measure of efficacy for a mitigating agent - vaccine or seatbelt- is the total number of deaths rather than deaths per incident.

You keep thinking that an increase in the number of reported cases is a big deal, but FYI we test people now for no reason.

If no one was dying, we'd stop testing almost completely. 

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That's an incredibly stupid argument, but you won't let it go. Let's see how far your fragile ego will push it. *Are you willing to go on record stating saying that seatbelts don't save lives?* If not, why not? Structurally it's the exact same problem.

Seatbelts do save lives. So does the polio vaccine.

They're not good comps for the vax. 

[Hodad]

50 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

It's weird that you're using an appeal to authority argument when the authority that you're appealing is to is yourself, and you've been proven the fool here many times.

I never quoted you out of context at all, your quote is just as dumb as it looks. 

The number of deaths do matter, in fact, they matter more than anything else by a long margin. It's not even close.

Do you think that Canadians would have approved of the massive expense of a vaccination campaign, propaganda campaign, forcing young people who didn't need the experimental drug to take it or lose their jobs, vaccinate children, all to just end up with the exact same number of deaths?

You're really trying to pretend that "It took more cases to generate the exact same number of deaths that we expected had we not vaxed anyone" is a valid defence of vax success?

Same number of deaths year over year. Covid deaths at the exact same rate/100,000 people during the exact same span of time. A success because.... Hodad says that case mortality rate was lower ? 

Dude, we test more people than ever. 

Do you realize that the gov't had to change the way they record infections during the last flu season to tone it down? 

Read the top line on the photo below, and look how high case counts are artificially LOW due to changes in testing policies despite the fact that the number of cases is still so high.

More tests = more cases. 

Like I said, we're not counting deadly snake bites, where basically everyone goes to the Dr, we're taking about covid, where lots of people go back to work now. 

Counting extra cases means dick all. There could be 100,000 people infected right now or 3,000, it makes no difference because the symptoms are so mild. If there are 1,000 deaths in each of the above time periods, that's a big deal. If there are 3x as many in one period, that's a big deal. We count toe tags, not sniffles. 

I don't distrust the data. They actually had the balls to put data out there that's extremely unflattering.

I also understand the math done on those charts implicitly. That's why I'm always having to explain to you exactly what it means. The math is just done in a way that is intentionally misleading. If you're really mathematically challenged enough that you don't understand that, that's your problem. 

FYI: a chart making a direct comparison between the # or % of covid deaths among 4xers and unvaxed between Dec 14 2020 and Sept 25th 2022 should not exist, period.  The number of days of exposure by 4xers is about 1/20th that of the unvaxed, and the unvaxed went through 2 flu seasons, 4xers zero. They just went through one summer, and you can ask Beave what covid deaths do in the summertime because I just rubbed his nose in it in another thread. 

The only reason to make a chart like the one you keep posting is to be intentionally misleading. 

Your seatbelt analogy was useless, and yes, mine was perfect. Do you need me to dig them up?

And the number of cars on the road has gone up every year. It's a stupid analogy.

The population of Canada didn't go up in order to result in the slight increase in covid deaths. 

Did you see the paltry number of "cases" that resulted in all those covid deaths in early 2020? Do I have to tell you why the "case count" seems really low compared to all the deaths? 

I probably do need to tell you, but I won't, because I don't care what you think. You're just gonna keep lying about the stats anyways. 

You keep thinking that an increase in the number of reported cases is a big deal, but FYI we test people now for no reason.

If no one was dying, we'd stop testing almost completely. 

Seatbelts do save lives. So does the polio vaccine.

They're not good comps for the vax. 

You don't remotely understand the math or logic, and you're creating and army of straw men attributed to me, but let's put a pin in that.

Tell me how one would go about determining that seatbelts save lives if you're just "counting toe tags." No drop in deaths. Deaths actually went up in in spite of the "beltcebo" big government forced on people. Is there a smarter way to get to the answer of seat belt efficacy than counting toe tags?

Edited November 24, 2022 by Hodad

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, Hodad said:

You don't remotely understand the math or logic, and you're creating and army of straw men attributed to me, but let's put a pin in that.

Lol.

Here's math: 85.7% of all recent cvid deaths in Canada were among the 85% of Canadians who were vaxed. 

15% of the covid deaths come from the 15% of Canadians who are unvaxed. 

The rate at which people are dying from covid in Canada didn't change at all after 85% of us vaxed.

That may be your definition of a vaccine but it's not mine. What do you call the polio vaccine now? A supervax?

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Tell me how one would go about determining that seatbelts save lives if you're just "counting toe tags." No drop in deaths. Deaths actually went up in in spite of the "beltcebo" big government forced on people.

Is there such a thing as an asymptomatic car crash?

Do you have to be tested to know if you're in a car crash?

Have we all been in car crashes in the past year? Because we were definitely all exposed to covid in 2021 and 2022. The jab didn't slow down the overall number of deaths or the number of deaths within the ranks of the multi-vaxed. 

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Is there a smarter way to get to the answer of seat belt efficacy than counting toe tags?

Stop acting like the seatbelt analogy is perfect. Yours is lacking, mine was perfect. 

What about the polio vaccine analogy, Hodad? Vaxtards used to love saying "Guess why polio is gone here.... Because of the polio vaccine!"

Vaccine, Hodad. Vaccine. Lern to use the word properly ffs. You're not 3.

 

Complete the following sentence with an acceptable answer: "After the government spent billions on a massive vaccine rollout, and forced people to take it even though they didn't need it, deaths due to the pathogen went down __________. It was considered a success." 

1) by 0.00%

2) noticeably.

 

Seriously Hodad, try to get at least this one thing right. Is it 1) or 2)? 

Edited November 24, 2022 by WestCanMan

[eyeball]

6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I have proof.

How long did you flog the 9/11 Truth before finally giving up?

[Hodad]

18 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Lol.

Here's math: 85.7% of all recent cvid deaths in Canada were among the 85% of Canadians who were vaxed. 

15% of the covid deaths come from the 15% of Canadians who are unvaxed. 

The rate at which people are dying from covid in Canada didn't change at all after 85% of us vaxed.

That may be your definition of a vaccine but it's not mine. What do you call the polio vaccine now? A supervax?

Is there such a thing as an asymptomatic car crash?

Do you have to be tested to know if you're in a car crash?

Have we all been in car crashes in the past year? Because we were definitely all exposed to covid in 2021 and 2022. The jab didn't slow down the overall number of deaths or the number of deaths within the ranks of the multi-vaxed. 

Stop acting like the seatbelt analogy is perfect. Yours is lacking, mine was perfect. 

What about the polio vaccine analogy, Hodad? Vaxtards used to love saying "Guess why polio is gone here.... Because of the polio vaccine!"

Vaccine, Hodad. Vaccine. Lern to use the word properly ffs. You're not 3.

 

Complete the following sentence with an acceptable answer: "After the government spent billions on a massive vaccine rollout, and forced people to take it even though they didn't need it, deaths due to the pathogen went down __________. It was considered a success." 

1) by 0.00%

2) noticeably.

 

Seriously Hodad, try to get at least this one thing right. Is it 1) or 2)? 

Coward. You will throw insults, but can't be honest enough to say how you would calculate the efficacy of seatbelts, because you KNOW your argument is broken.

You just stick with your counting toe tags--but I don't know what'll happen when you run out of fingers and toes. 

Edited November 24, 2022 by Hodad

[WestCanMan]

9 hours ago, Hodad said:

Coward. You will throw insults, but can't be honest enough to say how you would calculate the efficacy of seatbelts, because you KNOW your argument is broken.

You just stick with your counting toe tags--but I don't know what'll happen when you run out of fingers and toes. 

Wow, now you're off your rocker.

The only reason we even spent a bajillion dollars on the Pflacebo is because of all the toe tags. 

Instead of comparing the covid death toll year over year, or looking at the pflacebo-ish percentage of covid deaths from the "vaccinated", you want me to focus on how car accident stats are tabulated, or on the 0.004% of Canadians who are over 80 without a jab, or you want me to pretend that it's a miracle that only 4.5% of our covid deaths from the past two years are among the 4x-vaxed, when there were only an average of 2.5M of them for one summer.... Thanks for the math help but I'll stick to the actual death stats for our entire country in the past month. 

 

I understand how your "math" "works" Hodad, you want to pretend that case mortality rate is the ultimate statistic. Like this:

There were 20,000 Canadians hospitalized each year for 3 years with bojio, and 10,000 of them died each year, so they started giving out a vaccine called shuggerpill, and the next year 24,000 were infected but only 8,000 died. The case mortality rate was down from 50% to 25%, which was seen as hopeful by many.

In another country in the northern hemisphere with a similar population, where they also had 20,000 cases and 10,000 deaths for the past 3 years, they tried a different vaccine called "actualvax", and only 20 people caught bojio that year but sadly 12 of them still died, which was far too high a percentage, according to some.

"That's a whopping 60% case mortality rate. IT'S USELESS! WE NEED TO KEEP USING SHUGGERPILL TO GET THE CFR DOWN TO 25%!!!!", cried perfesser Hobab.  "DON'T YOU KNOW WHAT A VACCINE IS?"

EastVanKwan coolly replied: "But isn't 12 deaths better than 8,000 deaths? The 12 people you're focusing on were all 80+ with underlying health issues - they're statistical outliers. They could have died from taking an extra viagra."

Perfesser Hobab fired back angrily "YOU JUST DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT VACCINES! YOUR MATH IS AWFUL! THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO DIE IS IRRELEVANT AND MISLEADING! IT'S THE CFR THAT MATTERS MOST! WE NEED TO KEEP USING SHUGGERPILL, THERE IS NO BETTER WAY TO FIGHT BOJIO. WE DON'T NEED TO LOOK FOR A DIFFERENT SOLUTION!!!!! SHUGGERPILL WORKS LIKE A SEATBELT FOR YOUR WHITE BLOOD CELLS - DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT A SEATBELT IS????"

EastVanKwan: "Just out of curiosity, did you vote for Biden or Trudeau? I just wanna know what country you're from." 

[WestCanMan]

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

How long did you flog the 9/11 Truth before finally giving up?

I have never made the 9/11 info into a crusade. As you may have guessed, I'm not really all that excited to believe in a 9/11 conspiracy. I'm Canadian, and the US is our main ally on this planet by far.

There's a lot of info out there which causes me some cognitive dissonance and I choose not to ignore it. That's how we differ. I can deal with uncomfortable facts while you prefer to watch CTV and then hide under a blankie of ignorance. 

[eyeball]

25 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I have never made the 9/11 info into a crusade. As you may have guessed, I'm not really all that excited to believe in a 9/11 conspiracy. I'm Canadian, and the US is our main ally on this planet by far.

There's a lot of info out there which causes me some cognitive dissonance and I choose not to ignore it. That's how we differ. I can deal with uncomfortable facts while you prefer to watch CTV and then hide under a blankie of ignorance. 

Just dissonance you suffer? Impairment is more like it.

I watch a little Fox as well...mostly for comic relief and exposing yourself to a little stupidity from time to time is kinda like eating a little dirt to keep an immune system from getting too lazy.

[WestCanMan]

54 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Just dissonance you suffer? Impairment is more like it.

I watch a little Fox as well...mostly for comic relief and exposing yourself to a little stupidity from time to time is kinda like eating a little dirt to keep an immune system from getting too lazy.

Yes, I deal with cognitive dissonance, you should be able to do the same. The fact that you can't is nothing to brag about. 

FYI Fox News doesn't talk about building 7 afaik. I don't know if they did back in 2001 because I wasn't watching them back then, and I don't know why they would now because it was 20 years ago. They also have a conservative bias and Dubya is a GOPer. 

Don't sweat it though, CNN isn't talking about building 7 either.

If you actually watched Fox News a bit then you'd be aware that they're the only actual news source in the States worth watching. 

In any event, this has nothing to do with the fact that you're calling something a "vaccine" which isn't a "vaccine". 

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Wow, now you're off your rocker.

The only reason we even spent a bajillion dollars on the Pflacebo is because of all the toe tags. 

Instead of comparing the covid death toll year over year, or looking at the pflacebo-ish percentage of covid deaths from the "vaccinated", you want me to focus on how car accident stats are tabulated, or on the 0.004% of Canadians who are over 80 without a jab, or you want me to pretend that it's a miracle that only 4.5% of our covid deaths from the past two years are among the 4x-vaxed, when there were only an average of 2.5M of them for one summer.... Thanks for the math help but I'll stick to the actual death stats for our entire country in the past month. 

 

I understand how your "math" "works" Hodad, you want to pretend that case mortality rate is the ultimate statistic. Like this:

There were 20,000 Canadians hospitalized each year for 3 years with bojio, and 10,000 of them died each year, so they started giving out a vaccine called shuggerpill, and the next year 24,000 were infected but only 8,000 died. The case mortality rate was down from 50% to 25%, which was seen as hopeful by many.

In another country in the northern hemisphere with a similar population, where they also had 20,000 cases and 10,000 deaths for the past 3 years, they tried a different vaccine called "actualvax", and only 20 people caught bojio that year but sadly 12 of them still died, which was far too high a percentage, according to some.

"That's a whopping 60% case mortality rate. IT'S USELESS! WE NEED TO KEEP USING SHUGGERPILL TO GET THE CFR DOWN TO 25%!!!!", cried perfesser Hobab.  "DON'T YOU KNOW WHAT A VACCINE IS?"

EastVanKwan coolly replied: "But isn't 12 deaths better than 8,000 deaths? The 12 people you're focusing on were all 80+ with underlying health issues - they're statistical outliers. They could have died from taking an extra viagra."

Perfesser Hobab fired back angrily "YOU JUST DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT VACCINES! YOUR MATH IS AWFUL! THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO DIE IS IRRELEVANT AND MISLEADING! IT'S THE CFR THAT MATTERS MOST! WE NEED TO KEEP USING SHUGGERPILL, THERE IS NO BETTER WAY TO FIGHT BOJIO. WE DON'T NEED TO LOOK FOR A DIFFERENT SOLUTION!!!!! SHUGGERPILL WORKS LIKE A SEATBELT FOR YOUR WHITE BLOOD CELLS - DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT A SEATBELT IS????"

EastVanKwan: "Just out of curiosity, did you vote for Biden or Trudeau? I just wanna know what country you're from." 

Oh, great. Another crazy-street-corner-prophet rant with no connection to reality. Are the straw men your only friends? Is that why you cant leave them at home and have an honest discussion?

We are not comparing one vaccine to another more effective vaccine, and if we were no one would choose the less effective vaccine. We are choosing between a vaccine that, for a given individual, significantly reduces the likelihood of contracting COVID, reduces the likelihood of spreading COVID, and dramatically reduces the likelihood of dying from COVID should you contract it.

And we are contrasting that against being unvaccinated--which apparently increases the likelihood of dying from COVID while nursing a misplaced sense of smug superiority.

And speaking of two countries comparing outcomes, the US data is as crystal clear as the Canadian data that the vaccinated are significantly less likely to contact COVID and dramatically less likely to die if you do.

There is no way that a rational person can look at the outcomes-per-incident data and come to the conclusion that the vaccines are not effective. There is no evidence to support that claim. Zero. 

Instead, you have to make up wild-ass nonsense scenarios to deflect from actual data, turning yourself into a pretzel to even h speculatively sustain such a counterevidential narrative. It's stupid. It's delusional. It's infectious, lethal ignorance that is literally killing people. Dawkins and the survival advantage in the memeplex playing out right before our eyes.

[WestCanMan]

46 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Oh, great. Another crazy-street-corner-prophet rant with no connection to reality. Are the straw men your only friends? Is that why you cant leave them at home and have an honest discussion?

I don't need to defeat straw-man arguments, I'm biotch-slapping your word soup just fine, thanks.

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We are not comparing one vaccine to another more effective vaccine, and if we were no one would choose the less effective vaccine.

No, we would choose the actual vaccine. Not the dangerous injection that wasn't a vax at all. 

Remember, when this was pimped to Canadians, it was as a "vaccine", which means the layman's version of what a vaccine is, not the watered-down version that was just created to include injections which don't stop people from dying or getting sick. It was also described as something that would prevent us from getting infected or spreading the disease.

You tell me Hodad, does the jab prevent people from getting infected or spreading the disease? 

Of course the answer to that is a resounding no, so tell me then, how well does your "vaccine" slow the spread on a scale from 1-10? (10 being bulletproof and 1 being a screen door on a submarine)

It's a 1 out of 10 Hodad. (Do I need to tell you that if you put a screen door on a submarine, the water would still come in?)

How well does your vaccine prevent death? 

Well, it didn't slow covid deaths down here at all, not even by 1%, when we vaccinated 85% of the country, and covid deaths among the vaxed are in direct proportion to their percent of the population. 

Can you name another "vaccine" that didn't make even the tiniest dent in the carnage rate of the pathogen that it was supposed to protect against? 

And just remember, when you tell the people of Canada that you have a vaccine, that doesn't include something that makes you more likely to get infected but equally likely to have a similar bad outcome. Ford can't sell someone a car and then just say "The engine doesn't really do anything, the car kinda just sits there. Here, read the new updated definition of car". 

We were told about being safe. Not spreading covid to our loved ones. Herd immunity. We weren't told that "literally everything else will remain the exact same, we'll just have more infections resulting in the same number of deaths."

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We are choosing between a vaccine that, for a given individual, significantly reduces the likelihood of contracting COVID, reduces the likelihood of spreading COVID, and dramatically reduces the likelihood of dying from COVID should you contract it.

No, it does not. That is where your argument falls flat on its face. 

Covid deaths didn't drop at all after we vaccinated 85% of our population. That 'vaxed' part of the population has its exact fair share of covid deaths. 

Even if it's true that they get infected more often to come up with the exact same death rate as the unvaxed, that's not a selling feature. 

If a virologist/epidemiologist looked at our death toll from the start of the covid outbreak they wouldn't be able to guess when the vax rollout started, or when we got to 85% vaxed, or when we added the first booster, second booster, etc. They'd have no clue. 

You tell me where the big rollout occurred just by looking at the weekly death toll, Einstein...

Where is the vax rollout just jumping out at you on that chart? 

Are we supposed to believe that covid just started getting worse on Dec 14th 2020, peaking at 80% worse in August of 2021, and it was the vax that kept the death toll at an even pace? ?

We just had the worst covid summer of all, by far, and we had 85% "vaxed" every day of it. Covid always took July off, even in 2020 when it was a novel virus. This summer it just plowed through like a freight train.

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And we are contrasting that against being unvaccinated--which apparently increases the likelihood of dying from COVID while nursing a misplaced sense of smug superiority.

15% of us are unvaxed, and a whopping 15% of covid deaths are among the unvaxed. I see a pattern there, even if you don't.  

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And speaking of two countries comparing outcomes, the US data is as crystal clear as the Canadian data that the vaccinated are significantly less likely to contact COVID and dramatically less likely to die if you do.

Peddle that crap in the US. I don't really give a rip what you think of Operation Warp Speed's bouncing baby down there. 

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There is no way that a rational person can look at the outcomes-per-incident data and come to the conclusion that the vaccines are not effective. There is no evidence to support that claim. Zero. 

You have to focus on the "over 80 with no vax" category to come to that conclusion, and they're less than 0.004% of the population. Maybe as low as 0.0001%. I don't even know. All I know is that it's less than 1% of the group that accounts for 4% of the population. For all we know, the majority of those 0.001 percenters didn't vax because they already have heart disease, diabetes and cancer. No one tells us the relative health factors of that .0001% of the population that dominates the graphs that you cling to. 

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Instead, you have to make up wild-ass nonsense scenarios to deflect from actual data, turning yourself into a pretzel to even h speculatively sustain such a counterevidential narrative. It's stupid. It's delusional. It's infectious, lethal ignorance that is literally killing people. Dawkins and the survival advantage in the memeplex playing out right before our eyes.

Pretzel?

85.7% of the covid deaths here come from the multi-vaxed. Covid deaths didn't drop by even 1% when we vaxed 85% of our population. 

How pretzel-ish is that? 

I'm not the one who has to use graphs that zero in on 0.001% of the population, and completely ignore both of the elephants in the room (1] 85.7% of the covid deaths here come from the multi-vaxed & 2] covid deaths didn't drop by even 1% when we vaxed 85% of our population). 

If you were my spouse I'd go to jail for giving you that kind of beat-down, but something tells me you're not out of snotty insults, lies, gaslighting, misinformation and bad analogies yet. 

Edited November 24, 2022 by WestCanMan

[myata]

Propaganda and massive support based on fear and hatred go hand in hand. Goebbels discovered the trick and every dictator used it since, one way or the other. With Covid-scare pumped out of all rational proportions we stepped on a slick dangerous path. For the common good, sure. Like it was any different, ever.

[myata]

On 11/23/2022 at 10:48 AM, Hodad said:

Okay. You've made the claim. Lay out the evidence you have for why the PHAC data is of poor quality. It appears to me that you're conflating a lot of different things, including your own biases, but I'm open to seeing if you actually have what you claim.  (Not to mention the data from many other countries.) 

The concerns were expressed on multiple issues, occasions and threads. The problem is that they are never addressed. The only impression is that communication is one way, by design and intent. And obviously, this paradigm is not compatible with notions of openness, transparency, accountability and in the final account, public trust.

On 11/23/2022 at 10:48 AM, Hodad said:

We have vaccine deniers, climate change deniers, and all sorts of other manner of pseudo-cults built around conspiracy thinking. I assume these people have always existed.

And again you are using labels and general claims while we need open transparent information, discussion and verification every time, in every case and for every new proposed miracle solution. No there are no generic cover-alls "just believe in science" that can be taken for granted. Trust comes with openness and accountability, it is not a one-way street nor obligation for the uneducated masses. What's wrong and why is it so hard to get it?

Edited November 25, 2022 by myata

[WestCanMan]

This is what I call the "Proof that we need to fore everyone to vax" graph:

[eyeball]

Why does it only take a small handful of typewriting monkeys to get just about the whole right-wing flinging shit?

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Why does it only take a small handful of typewriting monkeys to get just about the whole right-wing flinging shit?

That's a great discussion to have with the rest of your pseudo-intellectual friends who still believe that the vax prevents infection and has no side-effects.

[WestCanMan]

@eyeball

Can you see how this graph illustrates the power and efficacy of the glorious vax?

Does it make sense how the topic in Sept 2021 changed from: 

"OMG EVERYONE IS DYING, LOOK AT THE DAILY DEATH TOLL! WE NEED SOMETHING TO PULL OUR FAT OUTTA THE FIRE!"

to

"No need to talk about covid deaths anymore, deaths are way down. Now we need to focus on promoting the glory of the vax, justify forcing young people to vax, convince people to vax their children, and get the word out about all the racists and misogynists who refused to vax."? 

Where is that spot on the graph, exactly?

Can you show me the spot on the dollygraph where the bad man's words hurted you?

Edited November 25, 2022 by WestCanMan

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

That's a great discussion to have with the rest of your pseudo-intellectual friends who still believe that the vax prevents infection and has no side-effects.

Of course there are side effects, people have even died.  Clearly nowhere near enough however to deter experts from a near unanimous conclusion that the risks are far far less than the benefits at preventing infections and saving lives.

I'll take my pseudo friends over your Flpseudo friends any day of the week and twice on Sunday.    

[eyeball]

57 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

@eyeball

Can you see how this graph illustrates the power and efficacy of the glorious vax?

No. This is the graph that illustrates your bullshit.

How did the review committee feel about it?

[WestCanMan]

24 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No. This is the graph that illustrates your bullshit.

How did the review committee feel about it?

That graph comes from infobase Canada actually, so it's the gov't's bullshit I guess.

I merely showcased the media narrative from the pre-vax days, and the media narrative from the post-vax era, on the chart so you could see how their narratives matched up with the number of covid deaths of the day.

1) I'm pretty sure we all agree that in the period from summer of 2020 to summer of 2021 the media was clamouring about the ghastly number of covid deaths, and that 2) after the summer of 2021 the topic changed to the efficacy of the vax and how important it was to take it. 

Now you know how many deaths were occurring to accompany their coverage of the day's events:

[WestCanMan]

34 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Of course there are side effects, people have even died.  Clearly nowhere near enough however to deter experts from a near unanimous conclusion that the risks are far far less than the benefits at preventing infections and saving lives.

That's a pretty bizarre take on it, because the covid jabs haven't saved a lot of lives, as evidenced by the graph below, which shows all of the covid deaths that occurred in Canada after the initial wave of the ancestral variant (when it was a novel virus):

Does that graph show how the Pflacebos came in and saved the day?

No, it shows nothing changing at all when the vaxes were given/forced to 25-30M people.

 

Seeing as deaths from covid didn't go down after mass jabbinations occurred, and young, healthy people wouldn't need a vaccine anyways, why should they take on any risk at all? 

They went from a 0.00000% risk to a very real risk of severe side-effects, including death, for nothing in exchange.

[eyeball]

6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

That's a pretty bizarre take on it, because the covid jabs haven't saved a lot of lives, as evidenced by the graph below, which shows all of the covid deaths that occurred in Canada after the initial wave of the ancestral variant (when it was a novel virus):

So what exactly is it that's preventing you from making your evidence available to experts that might be in a position to do something with it?  Surely you're not afraid they'll laugh you out the front door.  You seem utterly unfazed by humiliation and ridicule. 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

So what exactly is it that's preventing you from making your evidence available to experts that might be in a position to do something with it? 

I don't have big pharma bucks, so no one's listening.

Do you think that Global, CTV and CBC can't add? Do you think the people who run those stations are immune to money? 

Do you think it's possible that everyone in all those stations is completely unaware that covid deaths haven't gone down at all? 

Do you think that they don't know that 85.7% of the covid deaths between Aug 21 and Sept 25 were among the multi-vaxed? Even you understand that math, right? 

Do you think that I'm smarter than all 3 of those news outlets together? And Statista? 

FYI most peons aren't smart enough or interested enough to do the math. And like you, they got their info from CBC and cast their die, now they're like the frogs in the cold water - they ain't leaving no matter how hot it gets. 

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Surely you're not afraid they'll laugh you out the front door. 

They won't laugh at all. They'll just ignore. It is like talking to a brick wall.

I sent that "John Elflein" guy, or whatever his name is, at Statista (the one who made the ridiculous calculation about the percentage of our covid deaths that came from the "fully protected" Canadians) an email explaining how bogus and misleading his math was, never heard back.

The only difference is that those stats haven't been updated in 2 months now. I'm not sure what the holdup is, hopefully they aren't going to switch to some new format for recording the deaths by vax status now. It's not Statista that's holding it up, infobase just isn't updating it on their end.

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You seem utterly unfazed by humiliation and ridicule. 

If you feel like I'm the one getting humiliated here then I feel sorry for you eyeball. 

There's nothing difficult about understanding all of the things that I figured out for myself, then presented to you, then explained to you, I just couldn't understand it for you.

The simple math SHOWS that covid deaths didn't go down at all after vaxing 85% of the population, and that 85.7% of covid deaths between Aug 21 and Sept 25 were among the multi-vaxed. 

 

1) Do you feel like the vaccine is working as well as promised eyeball?

2) Knowing that healthy young people & children don't need the vaccine at all, and how many different side-effects there are, and how dangerous, do you honestly feel like there's a benefit to forcing young people to vax?

If you answer those two questions honestly, knowing what you know, it will be a big moment for you. 

[eyeball]

21 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Do you think that they don't know that 85.7% of the covid deaths between Aug 21 and Sept 25 were among the multi-vaxed? Even you understand that math, right?

Sure I understand the math I just don't believe the hooey you've added to the mix and why you've added it.

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Do you think that I'm smarter than all 3 of those news outlets together? And Statista?

No, I think you're dumber than a dump-truck.

[eyeball]

57 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

1) Do you feel like the vaccine is working as well as promised eyeball?

2) Knowing that healthy young people & children don't need the vaccine at all, and how many different side-effects there are, and how dangerous, do you honestly feel like there's a benefit to forcing young people to vax?

1. I was never technically promised anything.  Unlike you I have the ability to temper my expectations of what irrationally exuberant politicians and governments proclaim because I can take a deep breath and pause to consider what they've said critically against what more knowledgeable experts are saying. 

No, the vaccine did not work as well as we might have liked but it is working a whole lot sooner than some experts were warning. Given the further research that is going into mRNA vaccines and in light of 'promising' developments like a much broader spectrum flu vaccine perhaps they'll soon have an even more effective COVID vaccine.  In the meantime I'd hate to think how much more disease and death we'd likely be faced with had no vaccine at all been found.

2. I have no reason to disbelieve the VAST majority of experts who recommend the benefits of vaccinating children to help protect society are far FAR greater than the risks posed by the vaccine.

Edited November 26, 2022 by eyeball