August1991 Posted November 13, 2022 Report Share Posted November 13, 2022 Discuss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted November 13, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2022 (edited) 1. Both have/had huge egos. 2. Both were populists. 3 Both were one-hit wonders. 4. The Establishment opposed both. ==== 5. And neither really changed anything. Edited November 13, 2022 by August1991 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted November 13, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2022 (edited) And both Trump and Diefenbaker have this crazy following. Weird. Edited November 13, 2022 by August1991 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted November 13, 2022 Report Share Posted November 13, 2022 Not really. Like Trump he was inconsistent and a failure as a PM but. Quote He was absolutely honest financially, a passionate supporter of the average and the underprivileged and disadvantaged person, a fierce opponent of any racial or religious or socioeconomic discrimination… You can't say that about Trump. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted November 15, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2022 On 11/12/2022 at 11:47 PM, Aristides said: Not really. Like Trump he was inconsistent and a failure as a PM but. You can't say that about Trump. I strongly recommend that US analysts look at Diefenbaker, and what happened. There will be a Dalton Camp, and a Robert Stanfield. And then, maybe, a Brian Mulroney. ===== But you Americans always do things fast, quickly. But also miss nuance, the wonder of life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted November 15, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2022 (edited) On 11/12/2022 at 11:47 PM, Aristides said: You can't say that about Trump. Did Trump do anything different from Diefenbaker? Did he take any money from anybody, differently? By all accounts, Trump was as honest as Diefenbaker. ===== Of course, both were ShowMen. Edited November 15, 2022 by August1991 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted November 15, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2022 (edited) Here's my point: Like Diefenbaker, Trump won't go away. Diefenbaker haunted Stanfield. Unlike Bush Jnr, Trump will haunt any future leader. Diefenbaker has a memorial with his car in Saskatchewan. There are people, years later - on this site - who think Diefenbaker is the saviour of Canada. ==== Trump is America's Diefenbaker, and it'll take a Camp to kill the sucker. Edited November 15, 2022 by August1991 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted November 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2022 (edited) To understand Trump, for Americans, read Renegade in Power, Peter Newman. For Canadians, it's a good read about our history - French or English. Â Â Edited November 18, 2022 by August1991 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted November 19, 2022 Report Share Posted November 19, 2022 I kinda think Trump is like Richard Nixon. -Political outsider - Good at outreach toward China (North Korea) and USSR (Russia) - Negotiator (Art of the Deal) - Ended US wars - Space program - Term ended in a scandal  1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted November 19, 2022 Report Share Posted November 19, 2022 21 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: I kinda think Trump is like Richard Nixon. -Political outsider - Good at outreach toward China (North Korea) and USSR (Russia) - Negotiator (Art of the Deal) - Ended US wars - Space program - Term ended in a scandal  You left out crook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted November 19, 2022 Report Share Posted November 19, 2022 7 minutes ago, Aristides said: You left out crook. They're all crooks to me, Justin Trudeau included. Â 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted November 19, 2022 Report Share Posted November 19, 2022 On 11/12/2022 at 4:33 PM, August1991 said: And both Trump and Diefenbaker have this crazy following. Weird. Â Follow John! All those painted foot prints across Canada. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted November 20, 2022 Report Share Posted November 20, 2022 20 hours ago, OftenWrong said: I kinda think Trump is like Richard Nixon. Nixon had the decency to resign, Trump has no shame at all. None. Zero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted November 20, 2022 Report Share Posted November 20, 2022 59 minutes ago, herbie said: Nixon had the decency to resign, Trump has no shame at all. None. Zero. I always considered Nixon's resignation his one true mistake. Never apologize  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted November 20, 2022 Report Share Posted November 20, 2022 People weren't as stupid in the 1970s as they are now. Nor were they so morally bankrupt they couldn't fess up to their mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Groot Posted November 20, 2022 Report Share Posted November 20, 2022 (edited) On 11/12/2022 at 7:21 PM, August1991 said: Discuss. Diefenbaker could read and write. And was an excellent speaker. Trump doesn't like to read and certainty doesn't write. And his speeches are often incomprehensible rants against presumed enemies. Diefenbaker cared about ordinary people. Trump cares only about Trump. Diefenbaker had a passion for freedom and human rights and brought in the Bill of Rights, championed giving natives the vote, and opposed South Africa. Trump only likes freedom for Trump, and would just as soon end democracy so he could be dictator for life. Diefenbaker was an honest man. Trump has been a corrupt, conniving snake his entire life. Diefenbaker also had a vision, something Don boy lacks. Edited November 20, 2022 by I am Groot 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Groot Posted November 20, 2022 Report Share Posted November 20, 2022 On 11/14/2022 at 10:34 PM, August1991 said: Did Trump do anything different from Diefenbaker? Did he take any money from anybody, differently? By all accounts, Trump was as honest as Diefenbaker. ===== Of course, both were ShowMen. By all accounts? Does 'all' mean something different in French than it does English? Are you confused? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted November 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2022 On 11/18/2022 at 11:47 PM, OftenWrong said: I kinda think Trump is like Richard Nixon. -Political outsider - Good at outreach toward China (North Korea) and USSR (Russia) - Negotiator (Art of the Deal) - Ended US wars - Space program - Term ended in a scandal  You could say the same of Diefenbaker. ==== From the perspective of someone In Central Canada in the 1960s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted November 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2022 Look: Donald Trump is no Richard Nixon. Nixon was a player. Like the Bee-Gees, he was no quitter. ====== Donald Trump and John Diefenbaker are one-hit wonders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted December 24, 2022 Report Share Posted December 24, 2022 On 11/19/2022 at 12:09 AM, Aristides said: You left out crook. What about Biden? Â At least with Trump we knew what we were getting. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted December 27, 2022 Report Share Posted December 27, 2022 On 12/23/2022 at 7:42 PM, Zeitgeist said: What about Biden? Â At least with Trump we knew what we were getting and that's why they voted him out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted December 29, 2022 Report Share Posted December 29, 2022 (edited) On 12/27/2022 at 1:15 AM, herbie said: and that's why they voted him out... Biden isn’t in control of his faculties, let alone the country.  One month he’s telling kids to make political Tic Toc videos.  Now he’s under pressure to band the platform for federal devices. He owes so many favours and is so clearly owned and compromised.  I didn’t agree with some of Trump’s rhetoric or policies, but he did try to push back against the entrenched interests.  It couldn’t be sustained.  Biden is the establishment.  Edited December 29, 2022 by Zeitgeist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 On 11/15/2022 at 5:13 AM, August1991 said: Here's my point: Like Diefenbaker, Trump won't go away. Diefenbaker haunted Stanfield. Unlike Bush Jnr, Trump will haunt any future leader. Diefenbaker has a memorial with his car in Saskatchewan. There are people, years later - on this site - who think Diefenbaker is the saviour of Canada. ==== Trump is America's Diefenbaker, and it'll take a Camp to kill the sucker. Got it...you don't like Dief... Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted January 29, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2023 On 1/27/2023 at 8:52 PM, Nationalist said: Got it...you don't like Dief... Miss my point. Newman's book was accurate. ====== Canada is a good country: Dief made Trudeau Snr possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted January 29, 2023 Report Share Posted January 29, 2023 9 hours ago, August1991 said: Miss my point. Newman's book was accurate. ====== Canada is a good country: Dief made Trudeau Snr possible. And Trudeau is gonna make Polievre possible. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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