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On 10/26/2022 at 12:28 PM, WestCanMan said:

Yes, the most obvious place to dump nuclear waste is in an urban environment genius. 

Do you not understand the difference between SHIPPING and STORAGE.

Yucca Mountain is in the boonies but the waste STILL TRAVELS there on rails that GO THROUGH CITIES.

Did you forget to put on your thinking cap before writing?

On 10/26/2022 at 12:28 PM, WestCanMan said:

A modern nuclear plant takes 1.3 sq m (850 acres) and reliably produces 1GW of energy, rain, wind or shine. 

A wind farm, eg the one in Arizona's Mojave desert, takes up 25,000 acres to create 60 unreliable MW.

So what? SOME (like Grimsby) are 98% available.

On 10/26/2022 at 12:28 PM, WestCanMan said:

Wind farms take up 30x as much real estate to create 1/17 the energy, it has to be transmitted far further, it is unreliable, and it requires massive batteries so the energy can be saved for downtimes. 

You need to put them off the coast, like Grimsby. Plenty of room and I'll bet windy, off British Columbia.

On 10/26/2022 at 12:28 PM, WestCanMan said:

I'm grounded in reality, where Trudeau/Bidenflation is killing us. 

^STILL ignoring the FACT it is WORLD WIDE.

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55 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Do you not understand the difference between SHIPPING and STORAGE.

Yucca Mountain is in the boonies but the waste STILL TRAVELS there on rails that GO THROUGH CITIES.

Did you forget to put on your thinking cap before writing?

So what? SOME (like Grimsby) are 98% available.

You need to put them off the coast, like Grimsby. Plenty of room and I'll bet windy, off British Columbia.

^STILL ignoring the FACT it is WORLD WIDE.

Yucca Mountain was never opened for nuclear waste disposal, was it? 

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56 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Do you not understand the difference between SHIPPING and STORAGE.

Yucca Mountain is in the boonies but the waste STILL TRAVELS there on rails that GO THROUGH CITIES.

Did you forget to put on your thinking cap before writing?

Are you honestly gonna cry about everything robo? Do you carry a hankie with you everywhere you go?

I'm not even the slightest bit concerned about nuclear waste transportation. 

This is so you can get to sleep tonight. Yes, you can still keep your Trudeau blankie. 

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^STILL ignoring the FACT it is WORLD WIDE.

Just like leftard covid hysteria. What a coincidence. 

 

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1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Are you honestly gonna cry about everything robo? Do you carry a hankie with you everywhere you go?

I'm not even the slightest bit concerned about nuclear waste transportation. 

This is so you can get to sleep tonight. Yes, you can still keep your Trudeau blankie. 

Good then we can put the new plant in YOUR neighborhood and YOU'LL suffer the devaluation of YOUR property.

Of course you don't even consider a train accident spilling nuke waste to be a problem, right?

Meanwhile my neighborhood is suffering from some of the highest electricity rates in the NATION because OUR nuclear plant repair job was botched and WE have to pay for the decommissioning.

Better than another Fukishima, for sure, since it is right ON THE COAST.

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Just like leftard covid hysteria. What a coincidence. 

Nothing hysterical about concern for an extra 1M deaths, right? 

Every man for himself, right? ?

You right wingers are despicable.

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8 hours ago, robosmith said:

It's up to the judge hearing the case, and they almost always give them a hearing, sometimes months later.

Too bad you're NOT A JUDGE and your opinion doesn't count for ANYTHING.

Sure that's quite true. I am not a judge.

BTW...have you seen the latest polls on the mid-terms?

11 days...

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11 hours ago, robosmith said:

Good then we can put the new plant in YOUR neighborhood and YOU'LL suffer the devaluation of YOUR property.

Of course you don't even consider a train accident spilling nuke waste to be a problem, right?

You obviously have no clue what zoning bylaws are. You should check into that. It's pretty important. Or how fast trains go in urban areas. Or the safety requirements for transporting waste. Or the effect that a nearby train track has on your property, regardless of whether or not it carries nuclear waste. They still transport oil and other things that are more dangerous. 

I'm just gonna leave you to your idiotic blather now. 

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21 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You obviously have no clue what zoning bylaws are. You should check into that. It's pretty important. Or how fast trains go in urban areas. Or the safety requirements for transporting waste. Or the effect that a nearby train track has on your property, regardless of whether or not it carries nuclear waste. They still transport oil and other things that are more dangerous. 

I'm just gonna leave you to your idiotic blather now. 

The public isn’t going to accept new nuclear power construction in the U.S. or Canada. They just plain won’t. People won’t trust the government with vaccines so how on earth will they trust the government with nuclear safety? They won’t. 

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7 hours ago, Rebound said:

The public isn’t going to accept new nuclear power construction in the U.S. or Canada. They just plain won’t. People won’t trust the government with vaccines so

They lied to us dozens of times about the vaccines and they've never told us the truth about anything covid-related, hence the mistrust.

Quick recap: 1) covid didn't come from eating a bat, 2) it wasn't disinformation to say that it came from a lab, 3) there actually was 'gain-of-function' done on the virus, 3a) Fauci directly lied when he said there was not, 4) it's highly questionable that the WHO said "there's probably no airborne transmission" when 4a) it's a coronavirus and that's what coronaviruses do and 4b) there was gain-of-function research done on it so they know what it could do, 5) the vaccines aren't as safe as advertised, 6) the vaccines don't prevent one from being infected, 7) they don't prevent transmission, 8.0) they don't prevent hospitalization, 9.0) they don't prevent ICU visits, 10) they don't prevent death 11) there was never a "pandemic of the unvaccinated". 

At some point in time they told us all those things. Once they started lying, I stopped believing them. 

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how on earth will they trust the government with nuclear safety? They won’t. 

Big Pharma bucks are behind the covid "science" that we had spoon-fed to us, all vaxer-pushers are protected by the Prep Act (Trump did that - the vax pimps can't be sued unless you can prove willful damage), and leftist politicians and the MSM have a vested interest in covid "science" now because every single one of them went all-in with the vax. Any admission that runs contrary to "EVERYONE 5+ MUST GET VAXED OR WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!" does serious harm to their "credibility".

As far as I know, Big Nuke isn't a major lobbyist, but either way, everyone is interested in safe, clean, cheap energy if it's not going to cost them an arm and a leg (or a tumour), and if it doesn't completely upend the economy. I also don't think that workers will haul nuclear waste around if they know it's not safe. Sure some might, but it just takes one whistleblower to expose something that diabolical. 

I'm even 100% happy with green energy, we just need to phase it in using traditional capitalist supply (even if it's heavily funded by gov't subsidies) and demand, not by forced restrictions & economic disaster.

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And this stat tells the tale that so many Biden energy policy defenders can’t cover up.  The number of oil rigs in operation in the US pre Covid(and during Trump’s term), vs right now.  2 years into a disaster of a Biden term.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/US-Rig-Count-Still-305-Below-Pre-Pandemic-Levels.amp.html

The number of total active drilling rigs in the United States rose by 2 this week, according to new data from Baker Hughes published on Friday.

The total rig count increased to 770 this week—220 rigs higher than the rig count this time in 2021, and 305 rigs lower than the rig count at the beginning of 2019, prior to the pandemic.

 

The numbers don’t lie.  305 less rigs operating now than under Trump.  And it’s not the choice of the oil companies to do this and make less money, obviously.

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1 hour ago, sharkman said:

And this stat tells the tale that so many Biden energy policy defenders can’t cover up.  The number of oil rigs in operation in the US pre Covid(and during Trump’s term), vs right now.  2 years into a disaster of a Biden term.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/US-Rig-Count-Still-305-Below-Pre-Pandemic-Levels.amp.html

The number of total active drilling rigs in the United States rose by 2 this week, according to new data from Baker Hughes published on Friday.

The total rig count increased to 770 this week—220 rigs higher than the rig count this time in 2021, and 305 rigs lower than the rig count at the beginning of 2019, prior to the pandemic.

 

The numbers don’t lie.  305 less rigs operating now than under Trump.  And it’s not the choice of the oil companies to do this and make less money, obviously.

Dude, you have to know that this is completely unrelated to Biden, right? Like, that's an absurd premise. Like, just a stern  word from Biden about sustainability cowed oil companies into ceasing profitable activity. He must be the most powerful POTUS of all time  Yet it seems like that's what you're trying to imply.

Fact is that demand dropped during the pandemic, so prices dropped, so the least efficient sites were shuttered. They take time to ramp back up and oil producers who are enjoying record profits have a weak incentive to increase supply and push down prices. Why rush do more work and incur more risk for relatively less reward?  - It'll happen eventually though.

Check the 5-year historical view at the same site you referenced: https://oilprice.com/rig-count

Production dropped pretty steeply in the early months of the pandemic under Trump and completely fell off a cliff as companies sent people home and we entered "lockdown."

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Hodad said:

Dude, you have to know that this is completely unrelated to Biden, right? Like, that's an absurd premise. Like, just a stern  word from Biden about sustainability cowed oil companies into ceasing profitable activity. He must be the most powerful POTUS of all time  Yet it seems like that's what you're trying to imply.

Fact is that demand dropped during the pandemic, so prices dropped, so the least efficient sites were shuttered. They take time to ramp back up and oil producers who are enjoying record profits have a weak incentive to increase supply and push down prices. Why rush do more work and incur more risk for relatively less reward?  - It'll happen eventually though.

Check the 5-year historical view at the same site you referenced: https://oilprice.com/rig-count

Production dropped pretty steeply in the early months of the pandemic under Trump and completely fell off a cliff as companies sent people home and we entered "lockdown."

 

 

 

What delusions.  These days talking to the left is like talking to a tree.  It’s about supply.  Domestic supply.  When Biden got in the script was flipped.  Believe whatever makes you happy…

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1 hour ago, sharkman said:

What delusions.  These days talking to the left is like talking to a tree.  It’s about supply.  Domestic supply.  When Biden got in the script was flipped.  Believe whatever makes you happy…

Yes, domestic supply. The exact same metric you mentioned: US rigs in operation. 

A. Biden had zero influence on whether oil companies are running their rigs or not. Demand and pricing are global, and so was the pandemic.

B. Look at the historical data. 

 

You're just sort of saying random things and then blaming Biden. You're like the old "Thanks, Obama!" meme come to life.

 

 

 

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12 hours ago, Hodad said:

Yes, domestic supply. The exact same metric you mentioned: US rigs in operation. 

A. Biden had zero influence on whether oil companies are running their rigs or not. Demand and pricing are global, and so was the pandemic.

B. Look at the historical data. 

 

You're just sort of saying random things and then blaming Biden. You're like the old "Thanks, Obama!" meme come to life.

 

 

 

Here’s another ‘random’ thing.  Yesterday Biden said:  no more drilling.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidblackmon/2022/11/07/biden-promises-no-more-drilling-just-days-after-demanding-more-drilling/amp/
 

Just a day after not exactly apologizing to West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin for promising a San Diego audience to replace coal fired power plants with wind farms, President Joe Biden turned to promising a New York audience to shut down drilling for oil instead.
 

I know I shouldn’t blame Biden, after all he only said it, in public, and it was about oil and drilling, but I’m wondering who to blame.

Wait, let me grab the left wing playbook on this…turning pages….Oh, here it is!  Blame Putin!

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Just now, sharkman said:

Here’s another ‘random’ thing.  Yesterday Biden said:  no more drilling.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidblackmon/2022/11/07/biden-promises-no-more-drilling-just-days-after-demanding-more-drilling/amp/
 

Just a day after not exactly apologizing to West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin for promising a San Diego audience to replace coal fired power plants with wind farms, President Joe Biden turned to promising a New York audience to shut down drilling for oil instead.
 

 

 

Going to shut down all those coal power plants, too...

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4 minutes ago, sharkman said:

I know but it’s not Biden’s fault, apparently we blame Putin for this one too.

The Carboniferous is broken down into two classic sub-eras...the Pennsylvanian and Mississippian. This was apparently due to all the prehistoric windmills that covered the landscape.

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"President Biden has taken a number of steps to curb domestic fossil fuel production since taking office but has still turned to foreign dictators for oil as prices have ticked up.

The Biden administration has aggressively pushed its climate agenda, which includes a transition from fossil fuels to green energy, over its first 20 months in office. For example, it has taken aim at oil and natural gas pipelines, restrained leasing on federal lands and waters, moved forward with stringent climate disclosure rules for the private sector and introduced burdensome environmental regulations.

"Americans are taking it in the shorts because the Biden administration has basically declared war on American affordable, abundant energy," Dan Kish, a senior fellow at free-market think tank Institute for Energy Research, told Fox News Digital in an interview."

Joe Biden has hampered domestic energy industry while pleading for more foreign oil | Fox News

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4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

"President Biden has taken a number of steps to curb domestic fossil fuel production since taking office but has still turned to foreign dictators for oil as prices have ticked up.

The Biden administration has aggressively pushed its climate agenda, which includes a transition from fossil fuels to green energy, over its first 20 months in office. For example, it has taken aim at oil and natural gas pipelines, restrained leasing on federal lands and waters, moved forward with stringent climate disclosure rules for the private sector and introduced burdensome environmental regulations.

"Americans are taking it in the shorts because the Biden administration has basically declared war on American affordable, abundant energy," Dan Kish, a senior fellow at free-market think tank Institute for Energy Research, told Fox News Digital in an interview."

Joe Biden has hampered domestic energy industry while pleading for more foreign oil | Fox News

Congrats on finding a fossil fuel industry funded "think" tank to spout the industry line and pretending it's some kind of objective evidence. :applause:

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"Joe Biden’s presidential administration and certain elements in Congress have a plan for American energy: make it harder to produce and more expensive to purchase. Since Biden took office, his administration and allies in Congress have taken over 125 actions deliberately designed to make it harder to produce energy here in America.  A list of those actions appears below. A PDF of the full list is available to download here."

125 Ways the Biden Administration and Congress Have Made it Harder to Produce Oil & Gas - IER (instituteforenergyresearch.org)

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1 hour ago, blackbird said:

"Joe Biden’s presidential administration and certain elements in Congress have a plan for American energy: make it harder to produce and more expensive to purchase. Since Biden took office, his administration and allies in Congress have taken over 125 actions deliberately designed to make it harder to produce energy here in America.  A list of those actions appears below. A PDF of the full list is available to download here."

125 Ways the Biden Administration and Congress Have Made it Harder to Produce Oil & Gas - IER (instituteforenergyresearch.org)

What? US oil production is at near record levels. It hit it's peak in 2019 and in 2020 demand fell off a cliff and production followed. Oil production has climbed every year under Biden- again, to near record levels. https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/crude-oil-production

You just don't seem to understand that oil is a global commodity and not a magic on/of spigot.

 

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9 hours ago, Hodad said:

What? US oil production is at near record levels. It hit it's peak in 2019 and in 2020 demand fell off a cliff and production followed. Oil production has climbed every year under Biden- again, to near record levels. https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/crude-oil-production

You just don't seem to understand that oil is a global commodity and not a magic on/of spigot.

 

Then why is the price of gas through the roof in America and Canada.  In B.C. we pay the highest gas price in north America at about $1.90 or $2.00 per litre?  It varies up and down around the two dollar range.  That equates to a a very high price per U.S. gallon too.  B.C. gets it's gas from Washington State just across the border.  

Remember the cost of something is primarily determined by supply and demand.  Biden has taken many actions that limit the growth of production of oil and gas.  That reduces the potential supply.  When you reduce the supply you increase the demand which in turn drives the price up.  The price in north America for gas is determined by the amount being produced and if the demand outpaces the supply the price goes up.  That is exactly what has been happening.

The Biden administration openly admits they are on a course to fight climate change and build a "green economy".   There is the reason.   To claim oil production is near record levels is not reasonable.  Obviously it is not meeting the demand or the price would not have increased to high so fast.  No,  it is Biden's war on climate change and his attempts to reduce gas production that is the problem.  You can't have it both ways.  The Democrats like the Liberals/NDP in Canda live in an alternate reality.  They think they can fight climate change by all their regulations against the energy industry but they are harming the population by driving up the price of energy for home heating and the cost of gas/oil for transportation and everything else.  

The population is not dumb.  Many people know what is going on.

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