Banning Canadian Culture

[August1991]

Amazing. I searched on Google. This report seems to be true.

Hallowe'en is fun for kids. Girls can dress as pirates, and boys can pretend to be strawberries.

And in Newfoundland, there are mummers - but that's later in the year.

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In Poland, I was once in a cemetery on the day after Hallowe'en, the evening of 1 November (All Saints Day) - many candles: some more than others.

 

 

 

Edited October 16, 2022 by August1991

[herbie]

1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

They don't want costumes, decorations, handing out candy etc

Yes the JoHos and uber-Bible bangers put ban motions every few years to the School Boards in all 3 areas I've ever lived. They were always 'round tabled' for later (once it's too late) discussion.
Along with the usual 'ban sex ed' and the most preposterous - ban safe sex discussion (during the peak of AIDS) appeals.

[Moonlight Graham]

44 minutes ago, herbie said:

Yes the JoHos and uber-Bible bangers put ban motions every few years to the School Boards in all 3 areas I've ever lived. They were always 'round tabled' for later (once it's too late) discussion.
Along with the usual 'ban sex ed' and the most preposterous - ban safe sex discussion (during the peak of AIDS) appeals.

Well this is just as stupid as those.  The difference is this became boardwide policy.

So we can add SJWs to the list of people who want to ban fun things. I have no doubt they are just as nuts as hardcore Christians.

[Dougie93]

16 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Yes, I found one: 

He has a different "reasoning", he does not use words as "inclusive" but the delivery is the same: 

"No Halloween". 

Both the fast progressives and the religious programming (orthodoxian religious) are therefore equal in what they want?

Same endgame, different way of thinking it. 

= )

the origins of All Hallows Eve, the night before All Saints Day, being Roman Catholic in origin

Protestants of course declaiming Roman Catholicism itself as being Satanic : Whore of Babylon

[Dougie93]

9 hours ago, August1991 said:

Amazing. I searched on Google. This report seems to be true.

Hallowe'en is fun for kids. Girls can dress as pirates, and boys can pretend to be strawberries.

And in Newfoundland, there are mummers - but that's later in the year.

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In Poland, I was once in a cemetery on the day after Hallowe'en, the evening of 1 November (All Saints Day) - many candles: some more than others.

I certainly enjoyed All Hallows Eve as a boy

the streets of Toronto teeming with kids, we spilled out into the neighbourhoods and took control of the streets

for one night a year, we could run amok and get up to all sorts of mischief

we'd meet in the parks, mingling together, all ages, no adults in charge nor even around

my costume was always a Ring Wraith from Tolkien

the Witch King of Angmar, Lord of the Nazgul

I even had a real sword, a ceremonial long sword from my father's collection of trophies

when any of the older kids tried to bully me, I brandished it without hesitation

Edited October 16, 2022 by Dougie93

[Zeitgeist]

19 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

the origins of All Hallows Eve, the night before All Saints Day, being Roman Catholic in origin

Protestants of course declaiming Roman Catholicism itself as being Satanic : Whore of Babylon

How far do you want to go back?  Many Catholic/Protestant feast days have pagan antecedents: Roman, Greek, Egyptian, Babylonian, Phonecian…. These events often relate to seasonal changes: Thanksgiving-harvest, Halloween/AllSaints/All Souls-fallow related to late fall, Christmas-winter solstice, Easter-spring equinox, etc.

These ancient origins only illustrate the value of these celebrations because it shows that on a fundamental human level, we need to gather and feast and celebrate these key transitions.  We need lights, family, and feast in the darkest time of year, for example (Christmas).

These are important cultural events.

We know that Halloween is a time of change and death.  Our saint days recognize this.  It’s a heavy time.  We can almost feel the presence of the dead as the world of the dead seems closest at this time of year.  Bringing joy to it through costumes and treats makes it a positive time, as it should be.  

Edited October 16, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[I am Groot]

On 10/14/2022 at 9:06 PM, Zeitgeist said:

The Director of the Waterloo District School Board has banned the Halloween parades that young children and parents have loved for decades.  So much for one of the few Canadian traditions communities enjoy.  How did we come to this point?  It’s time for parents to push back against this attempt to erase Canadian culture.

https://kitchener.citynews.ca/amp/local-news/no-halloween-celebrations-at-wrdsb-schools-4510063

The problem is that people don't pay very much attention during municipal elections to begin with. And school board elections are kind of throw-ins which get even less attention. You have to really go out of your way to find out anything at all about the candidates. To compound the problem the NDP use school boards as kind of junior training grounds for inexperienced NDP politicians, and provide them help to get elected. So school boards tend to be disproportionately populated by left wing types.

We need some kind of organization or media to give us information on the candidates in our wards so people know who to vote for. And who not to.

[I am Groot]

On 10/14/2022 at 9:14 PM, Army Guy said:

Christmas is not inclusive, is that next, nor is any religious holiday thanksgiving, easter, it does not mean it is not part of our culture. lots of events do not fit the all-inclusive program, including Remembrance Day, or any of the LGBTQ holidays or events. maybe it is time to go scrub every and become neutral. a nation without culture. it is another example of how this generation is very different than everyone Elses. 

The Liberals started working at erasing English Canada's identity back in the late 1960s because they saw our culture/values as too closely entwined with the UK. They set out to eliminate UK influences, traditions and institutions as much as possible. They changed and renamed a lot of things, such as our national day of celebration, our flag, our constitution, our anthem, and other institutions like Canada's royal mail or the Royal Canadian air force and Royal Canadian navy. They eliminated the respect we once had for the military and emphasized other traditions rather than the ones handed down from the British. They also retargeted our immigration system away from the British Isles towards the third world to kind of erase the sharp distinction between the English and French. All this was done to make us more palatable to Quebecers.

Ironically, this is what our present prime minister calls cultural genocide. But apparently that's only bad if it's against natives.

Edited October 16, 2022 by I am Groot

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, I am Groot said:

The problem is that people don't pay very much attention during municipal elections to begin with. And school board elections are kind of throw-ins which get even less attention. You have to really go out of your way to find out anything at all about the candidates. To compound the problem the NDP use school boards as kind of junior training grounds for inexperienced NDP politicians, and provide them help to get elected. So school boards tend to be disproportionately populated by left wing types.

We need some kind of organization or media to give us information on the candidates in our wards so people know who to vote for. And who not to.

I agree and I’m shocked that most trustees in Waterloo went along with this anti-Canadian scheme.  It would make me look at who is being empowered to make these decisions affecting kids very closely.  Director jeewan wants to “de-centre” Halloween. Really?  Why?  He has said some very odd things.  I’d be pretty upset if my kids were stuck in that school board.

[I am Groot]

On 10/15/2022 at 7:48 AM, Michael Hardner said:

To add: sometimes people assume that newcomers wouldn't like our traditions... As though generations of children and families had it wrong.

 

It's a paternalistic mindset.

There's a lot of that going around. For example, the big 'defund police' thing was done to allegedly protect minorities (really black) citizens in the US inner cities. Only... nobody asked them what they wanted. What they damn sure did NOT want was less police. The people behind that campaign were mostly liberal white university educated people living in nice neighborhoods along with a smattering of their black activist colleagues. Naturally, Canada's progressive adopted this wholesale despite the wildly different circumstances here. And no, none of them bothered to ask actual people about their preferences either. 

If Canada's massive wave of foreigners are to in any way integrate into the Canadian mainstream there has to BE some kind of mainstream. Eliminating our traditions in case they might offend newcomers is counter-productive and stupid. And I guarantee you this district school board consulted zero ethnic groups before deciding to eliminate Halloween for their students.

[I am Groot]

On 10/15/2022 at 9:41 AM, Zeitgeist said:

People are too overwhelmed and brainwashed to push back.  Canadian culture is being actively erased.  It’s not valued or protected, just like our rights.

It's not valued by the Liberal party, and likely by a great deal of like-minded people on the Left. Certainly it's not valued by the mainstream media or academia. Even a suggestion of expressing pride in Canada's traditions, culture and value draws suspicion from that lot. Suggesting that we might actually do well to protect our culture, values and institutions  immediately has them suspecting some kind of 'white supremacy' shit. Which, by the way, I'm really tired of hearing about. There's even less evidence of 'white supremacy' in Canada than there is of 'systemic racism'.

[Michael Hardner]

43 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

1. There's a lot of that going around. For example, the big 'defund police' thing was done to allegedly protect minorities (really black) citizens in the US inner cities. Only... nobody asked them what they wanted.

2.Eliminating our traditions in case they might offend newcomers is counter-productive and stupid. And I guarantee you this district school board consulted zero ethnic groups before deciding to eliminate Halloween for their students.

1. Agreed.  It was a slogan.  It meant everything from "no $ for police" to "let's allocate some funding to mental health support". Mob mentality keeps things to slogans, pictures and inscrutable nuggets to fight over.

2. Agreed.  Kids of all backgrounds love pageantry and costumes.  No doubt this person was telling "the ethnics" what they wanted.

[Dougie93]

Canada has been reduced to being the ultimate fun police

anything that is fun & fancy free

Canada feels the need to ban it

then crush any who defy that order under the jackboots of Prussian martial law

no bouncy castles, no Halloween

revellers will be subject to arrest without further notice

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

It's not valued by the Liberal party, and likely by a great deal of like-minded people on the Left. Certainly it's not valued by the mainstream media or academia. Even a suggestion of expressing pride in Canada's traditions, culture and value draws suspicion from that lot. Suggesting that we might actually do well to protect our culture, values and institutions  immediately has them suspecting some kind of 'white supremacy' shit. Which, by the way, I'm really tired of hearing about. There's even less evidence of 'white supremacy' in Canada than there is of 'systemic racism'.

And it certainly undermines the droning arguments that we hear from the Liberals and CRTC about the importance of throwing billions at the CBC to “protect Canadian culture” when the same Marxist ideologues write policies with the other hand that actively erase Canadian culture.  The founders of Canada and public education (MacDonald and Ryerson respectively) are now “colonial oppressors”.  We see how historical context is routinely ignored and one piece of a person’s career (usually a piece considered progressive at the time) is used to cancel past figures.  It’s the Maoist/Bolshevik rewriting of history.  Strip away history and tradition. Replace it with lies about the glorious new dear leaders.

At least the Bolsheviks thought they were improving the world.  The Liberal-NDPs are pandering to the loudest left wing activists to save their own seats.  Bringing in masses of desperate immigrants and making government spending and policies the saviour of these new Canadians ensures further electoral entrenchment.  There’s no asking Canadians about what kind of society we want.  I enjoy experiencing different cultures, and I’d like to preserve what little Canadian culture is left.  

Edited October 16, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

 I enjoy experiencing different cultures, and I’d like to preserve what little Canadian culture is left.  

I expect that the police will actually be directed to prevent children from enjoying Halloween at some point

Halloween will literally be banned by law

the Eye of Sauron is upon us

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

I expect that the police will actually be directed to prevent children from enjoying Halloween at some point

Halloween will literally be banned by law

the Eye of Sauron is upon us

Well they had a go at banning all family gatherings and holidays during the pandemic.  It almost worked too.  I think we’d still be in masks and reporting on our neighbours like in Stalin’s Russia if it wasn’t for a few brave leaders like DeSantis and the Freedom Convoy protesters.  The attempt to remove human freedom is real and may get worse down the road as more of our government is turned over to A.I. data tracking and automated response.  The international policy writers at the UN and in Davos can’t wait to apply social engineering to fighting “the climate emergency”.   We must all watch how “crisis” is used as an excuse to remove human rights and control behaviour.  We saw it used during the pandemic in an unprecedented way that can only be compared to places like North Korea or Nazi-occupied Europe.  The scarier part was listening to government sycophants speak glowingly about how governments were “keeping us safe” as kids had mental breakdowns learning from home and elderly people died in solitude.  I saw the difference between how Ontario and Florida managed the pandemic.  Never in my life had I wished I was American to such a degree.  I used to be quite proud of Canada, even until about halfway through the pandemic.  A lot changed for me in early 2022.  

[Dougie93]

24 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

  Never in my life had I wished I was American to such a degree.  I used to be quite proud of Canada, even until about halfway through the pandemic.  A lot changed for me in early 2022.  

America is simply an idea

Canada is a bulwark against that idea

and now we are torn between

fealty unto state,  or fealty unto Christ

as Canada has become a godless atheist materialist institution totally lacking of spirituality

it is not that you are driven towards America per se

that is simply God you see, standing like an infinite mountain at our backs

the universe itself comes to you, in a human form that you would recognize, like a stranger in the night

you are becoming a Protestant therein

no man nor office between you and your Saviour

[Zeitgeist]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

America is simply an idea

Canada is a bulwark against that idea

and now we are torn between

fealty unto state,  or fealty unto Christ

as Canada has become a godless atheist materialist institution totally lacking of spirituality

it is not that you are driven towards America per se

that is simply God you see, standing like an infinite mountain at our backs

the universe itself comes to you, in a human form that you would recognize, like a stranger in the night

you are becoming a Protestant therein

no man nor office between you and your Saviour

Food for thought, as I can see how organized religion gets tainted by politicization and non-religious/non-spiritual agendas.  

Edited October 16, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Food for thought, as I can see how organized religion gets tainted by politicization and non-religious/spiritual agendas.  

in His ministry together either way

pilgrims on the road to Calvary

sacred individuals,  divine unto ourselves

choosing to walk the path tho all around us wander the wilderness

Israel means : to struggle with God

Jesus of Nazareth : even just the idea of Him comports with objective reality

feel good, do good, good things happen, miraculous things, the greatest civilization that ever was

 

[Jack9000]

got like 110 kids last year at the door i wouldn't mind if they cancelled halloween here lol.? 

[herbie]

13 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

So we can add SJWs to the list of people who want to ban fun things. I have no doubt they are just as nuts as hardcore Christians.

No you can't. The board is elected... the voters who'd elect such candidates are anything but SJWs. They're neanderthal arseholes. Like you who pretend it's the 'them' doing anything you don't agree with.

[TreeBeard]

4 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

I expect that the police will actually be directed to prevent children from enjoying Halloween at some point

Halloween will literally be banned by law

 

One school board cancels a Halloween parade and you think Halloween will be banned and people arrested?  
 

You sound crazy.  

[Moonlight Graham]

Next they should ban school dances because some kids feel bad because they can't dance or get a date, and some poor parents can't afford a shirt and tie.

This is the dumb kind of thinking this is.  If some kids can't afford Halloween then have a fundraiser to get some cheap costumes for the kids.  IMO an annual Halloween costume is just part of the annual cost of having kids.  I wore the same costume for multiple years and it hardly cost anything, I made it from stuff around the house, and I wasn't even poor.

If you're a religious nutbar and your religion is offended by Halloween then keep your kids home or just get over it and stop being a crazy person.

Edited October 16, 2022 by Moonlight Graham

[August1991]

On 10/16/2022 at 12:56 PM, Zeitgeist said:

Food for thought, as I can see how organized religion gets tainted by politicization and non-religious/non-spiritual agendas.  

Zeitgeist,

I flipped through this thread, wondering about a post to choose for response.

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I'm old. Leftists are like Jesuits and the Salvation Army - they proselytize.

Most Jews are Leftist because they're different.

 

[August1991]

My greater fear is different:

-Many women, living alone, view the State as their protector.

-And these women view democracy as the State.

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Women and men have a different view of life.