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Just now, Aristides said:

I knew he was Austrian. Georgia didn't make Stalin king nor Ukraine make Khrushchev king. Russians did. 

If we wind up with a foreign born PM one day, will that be justification for Canada invading that country?

 

No...the Soviet Union's Politburo made the leaders.

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20 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Of which Ukraine and Georgia  were only a part. Besides, gaining power in the Soviet Union was more a process of determining the new mob boss. Nothing has really changed in that country.

 

Well, "the Russians" picked a Georgian then two Ukrainians as their leaders.

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4 minutes ago, Aristides said:

A Georgian and two Ukrainians managed to become the mob boss. Georgia and Ukraine had little say in the matter. 

 

Both Georgia and Ukraine had large blocks in the Politburo.

Gorbachev would be another inconvenient Ukrainian in this discussion. Chernenko was Siberian and Andropov from the Caucasus.

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3 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Saved us all by most scenarios.

Wait don’t you mean you think Churchill is a warmonger who should have sought peace at any cost?  Because you’ve made several comments like :

That you and your friends want to fight to the last dead Ukrainian and Russian  just makes you warmongers and part of the problem rather than part of any solution.”  

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1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Both Georgia and Ukraine had large blocks in the Politburo.

Gorbachev would be another inconvenient Ukrainian in this discussion. Chernenko was Siberian and Andropov from the Caucasus.

Yes but we are talking about the Russian equivalent of the Mafia. These people aren't chosen.

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5 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

I suppose the big difference was that countries like Czechoslovakia were the creation of the Allies post Great War. Keen to punish both Germany and Austria in particular. A big load of asking for trouble, in my opinion. Especially seeing that Serbia kicked off the whole affair...an Allied nation.

 

IMO the big difference is, these mad fckers wanna rush to nuclear war over a NATO reject.

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5 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Well for one we signed on to abide by the rule of law, international law, which states clearly that what Russia did was illegal, you cannot just invade another country without just cause. So, it is everyone's business when one or several nations decide it only applies when they want it to. Russia is a full member of the UN and should be setting an example, instead of flagrantly breaking it when it is convenient for them, and they are getting called out on it. 

And if that ends in the total destruction of the planet now or later so, be it. The law is for everyone not just a selected few.

You have heard of "Shock and Awe" right?

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4 hours ago, Aristides said:

Why would you believe real people who use their own names and can be held accountable for what they report.

I believe...that this war is getting out of hand on purpose. I believe the MSM has lied so much that they are now unbelievable. I believe Ukraine is a NATO reject that is not worth risking nuclear war over.

And I'm beginning to wonder just who sabatoged those 2 pipelines. 

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4 hours ago, Moonbox said:

He's not.  If you knew anything about history, you'd know that the pretexts that Hitler cooked up for the annexation of western Czechoslovakia were almost identical to Putin's for Ukraine.  

"Ethnic Germans Russians are being oppressed in the Sudetenland Donbas!  We must intervene!"

Magnificent work confirming everyone's impression of your ignorance.  While raving about Neo-Nazis and parroting Kremlin talking points, you appear to know nothing about the actual Nazis whose footsteps Putin is following.    

Who's everyone? You and Donna LeMon?

Germany was not armed with the potential to kill all human life on Earth.

You're insane if you think a Russia/US war would be a good idea.

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59 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Who's everyone? 

Anyone not subscribing to alternate reality. 

59 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Germany was not armed with the potential to kill all human life on Earth.

No, they were just the first nation in the world to begin pursuing that capability, and were the reason the Americans started the Manhattan project in the first place. ?

59 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

You're insane if you think a Russia/US war would be a good idea.

You're insane for suggesting anyone here does, especially considering nobody here has said as much.  Not only that, but Russia has no capability to undertake such a conflict and the Americans aren't interested besides.  That's just Putin-lickspittle nonsense.  

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6 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Wait don’t you mean you think Churchill is a warmonger who should have sought peace at any cost?  Because you’ve made several comments like :

That you and your friends want to fight to the last dead Ukrainian and Russian  just makes you warmongers and part of the problem rather than part of any solution.”  

 

You are indeed a war monger playing with nuclear fire. It's amusing that you think you'll survive a large thermonuclear explosion. If I didn't have to die in the process it'd be fun to see you try.

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2 hours ago, Aristides said:

In all the conflicts since WW2, the only one to ever threaten the use of nukes is Putin. The US has never done it, nor did the Soviet Union when it was losing in Afghanistan.

The US certainly did...Korea comes to mind.

 

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About 100 thousand Japanese died when LeMay firebombed Tokyo with conventional weapons. It was the worst air attack during WW2. No radiation or huge shock-waves involved and the people still couldn't escape.

 

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8 hours ago, Aristides said:

Sure, MSM reported on it. They also reported that UN inspectors found no evidence of Saddam having weapons of mass destruction. They report, that's their job.

Ya they do such a good job that they are now a public joke.

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7 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Anyone not subscribing to alternate reality. 

No, they were just the first nation in the world to begin pursuing that capability, and were the reason the Americans started the Manhattan project in the first place. ?

You're insane for suggesting anyone here does, especially considering nobody here has said as much.  Not only that, but Russia has no capability to undertake such a conflict and the Americans aren't interested besides.  That's just Putin-lickspittle nonsense.  

Alternate reality? You mean the one in which man does not tempt a nuclear war?

Nobody has said the US should engage fully? Do you lie as a matter of course?

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5 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

You are indeed a war monger playing with nuclear fire. It's amusing that you think you'll survive a large thermonuclear explosion. If I didn't have to die in the process it'd be fun to see you try.

So you didn’t really respond to the point why do you admire Churchill for standing up to Hitler but also claim everyone needs to unconditionally surrender to Putin in order to achieve peace at any cost?

 

Putin started this war. He is threatening to use nuclear weapons if he doesn’t get what he wants. Yet you believe he bears no responsibility for any of it?  You’re a Hilarious and pathetic shill.
 

Oh and PS:  you demanding unconditional surrender to a military aggressor under threat of further aggression is warmongering, you friggin genius 

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15 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

I suppose the big difference was that countries like Czechoslovakia were the creation of the Allies post Great War. Keen to punish both Germany and Austria in particular. A big load of asking for trouble, in my opinion. Especially seeing that Serbia kicked off the whole affair...an Allied nation.

And Ukraine's independence has been a craw up Putin's backside since the USSR fell. 

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9 hours ago, Nationalist said:

IMO the big difference is, these mad fckers wanna rush to nuclear war over a NATO reject.

 

It would be Russia who would be resorting to Nuclear War. 

NATO would be just supporting a democracy to create a buffer state. 

And you're a gullible fool to believe that Putin would stop at Ukraine if NATO were to just let them fall. 

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Currently the 2 countries, US and Russia appear to be playing chicken.

Yesterday I read this questionable story how Putin was moving a nuke to the Ukrainian border for a threatened test.

Then I read another questionable suggestion from some cable "expert," possibly a Biden regime rep saying if Putin used a small nuke to attack Ukraine, Nato would respond by joining the conflict.

But let's imagine those stories are true.

Not sure why the Americans would need nukes. MOABs have a 50 kilometer blast radius. Drop a few of those in Crimea and see what happens. Say, take out that Russian bridge, the airports and the Russian fleet at Dock. Do it with MOABS. Not because you need that much ordinance but in reaction to a small nuke without using a nuke on what both Ukraine and Russia call their territory in reaction to the Russian baby nuke.

But then what happens?

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