'Merica officially becomes Venezuela: Maralogo raided by Biden's goon squad

[Infidel Dog]

35 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

What hell are you talking about here?  More of your nonsense. 
 

Due to the war, the government massively regulated and controlled prices for all sorts of sectors of the economy and private industry.  Factories were told by the government what they could and could not make. 
 

All sorts of everyday consumer goods like coffee, butter and meat were rationed, in addition to things like gasoline.  Families had government-issued ration books indicating how much they could buy. 
 

“Deregulated like a Republican” LMAO

I over simplified to make the point. But you should know what I'm talking about. We've had this conversation before.

Forbes offers one explanation:

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“After World War II, when ten million demobilized servicemen returned to an economy that had to be converted from a garrison state to civilian needs, economists steeled themselves for a renewed depression.  A sweeping Republican victory in the Congressional election of 1946, however, brought an end to the wartime government-planning regime [overregulation].  Dropping from 42 percent of GDP to 14 percent, government spending plummeted by a total of 61 percent between 1945 and 1947.  One hundred fifty thousand government regulators were laid off, along with perhaps a million other civilian employees of government.  The War Production Board, the War Labor Board, and the Office of Price Administration were dismantled [deregulation].”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013/11/30/the-great-depression-was-ended-by-the-end-of-world-war-ii-not-the-start-of-it/?sh=20a8b6e057d3

There's a lot more to it.

[DogOnPorch]

1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:

The point you originally made that I took issue with was this one:

No he didn't. Eisenhower, Bradley, Patton, they knew how to fight and win a war.

FDR was forced into the war by Pearl Harbor. The War forced America to deregulate like a Republican. FDR had to stand back and let Americans to what Americans can do when you get Government off their back. Then the generals did the rest. As Beave pointed out FDR was dead by VE day. Truman authorized the dropping of the Bomb that ended the war with Japan.

D-Day was a year late, frankly. By the late Spring of 1944, the Russians had destroyed Army Group Center in Operation Bagration and were deep inside Poland's former borders. It was a tough race for the Western Allies and the fuel hiccups didn't help. The Ardennes Offensive was ironic in that it sealed Berlin's fate to fall to the Soviets.

[Nationalist]

14 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

You just believe his illegal and unprovoked invasion of Ukraine is justified because of baseless made up bullshiit that comes from Putin himself. 
 

Thanks for not disagreeing that you believe in the baseless BIG LIE tho. That’s progress. ?

Unprovoked? Do you even know how to read?

[Nationalist]

14 hours ago, Rebound said:

I agree with you. 
 

You admit that Trump created sky-high deficits.  
 

And you admit that deficits will “destroy America.”

Therefore, you agree that Trump destroyed America and re-electing Trump would further destroy America. 

Nice try Sally.

[Nationalist]

13 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

You're not great with numbers are you?

I'm fine with numbers. I see inflation rising...and Biden on a spending spree. I see Biden still increasing the US deficit and debt, even though the great pandemic is over.

I also see numbers that show more people dying of Rona related issues that did under Trump.

And here's an interesting number. ZERO...the amount of measurable integrity shills generally have.

[Rebound]

7 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

The point you originally made that I took issue with was this one:

No he didn't. Eisenhower, Bradley, Patton, they knew how to fight and win a war.

FDR was forced into the war by Pearl Harbor. The War forced America to deregulate like a Republican. FDR had to stand back and let Americans to what Americans can do when you get Government off their back. Then the generals did the rest. As Beave pointed out FDR was dead by VE day. Truman authorized the dropping of the Bomb that ended the war with Japan.

You literally don’t know what you’re talking about at all. The WW II wartime economy was the most heavily regulated in the nation’s history. The Federal government controlled production, price, and distribution of virtually everything. People needed ration coupons to purchase gasoline and most food products.  This was all managed by FDR at the Federal level.  
 

Free market. Geez.  

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

I'm fine with numbers. I see inflation rising...and Biden on a spending spree. I see Biden still increasing the US deficit and debt, even though the great pandemic is over.

I also see numbers that show more people dying of Rona related issues that did under Trump.

And here's an interesting number. ZERO...the amount of measurable integrity shills generally have.

You see magic voodoo numbers that you can’t quote. Who told you that? Was it Q? You’re full of crap, dude. You’re certain you’re right but you never have a fact to back up anything you say. 
 

And you’re compliant is that Biden hasn’t balanced the Federal budget in his first year? All he did was slash it by 2/3. The last President to balance a budget was Clinton, and your buddy Bush undid that as soon as he was elected. 

Edited September 16, 2022 by Rebound

[BeaverFever]

8 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

I over simplified to make the point. But you should know what I'm talking about. We've had this conversation before.

Forbes offers one explanation:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013/11/30/the-great-depression-was-ended-by-the-end-of-world-war-ii-not-the-start-of-it/?sh=20a8b6e057d3

There's a lot more to it.

Yeah what you’ve quoted states that the heavily regulated wartime economy was deregulated AFTER the war was won. It’s literally the opposite of what you were trying to claim. You’ve been educated on this by me before. 
 

And by the way, that “deregulated” postwar economy mentioned in your quote above was still way more regulated l than anything you would recognize today and modern Republican extremists would consider it to be no different than flat out communism. 

[BeaverFever]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Unprovoked? Do you even know how to read?

Yes. Unfortunately you don’t know how to recognize reality. 

[ironstone]

On 9/7/2022 at 11:39 PM, Rebound said:

And yet Trump’s own Attorney General explained why that is standard operating procedure. 
 

Suggestion: Next time the government issues you a subpoena, comply with the subpoena. 

Hillary Clinton did not comply. BleachBit + hammers+a knowing "wink" to the DOJ.

[Infidel Dog]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Yeah what you’ve quoted states that the heavily regulated wartime economy was deregulated AFTER the war was won. It’s literally the opposite of what you were trying to claim. You’ve been educated on this by me before. 

You should read the whole thing. You'll understand a bit better. Starting with the first paragraph.

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A common fallacy is that the Great Depression was ended by the explosive spending of World War II.  But World War II actually institutionalized the sharp decline in the standard of living caused by the Depression.  The Depression was actually ended, and prosperity restored, by the sharp reductions in spending, taxes and regulation at the end of World War II, exactly contrary to the analysis of Keynesian so-called economists.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013/11/30/the-great-depression-was-ended-by-the-end-of-world-war-ii-not-the-start-of-it/?sh=20a8b6e057d3

The Forbes guy sees the deregulation as a kind of inevitable consequence of the war but FDR had nothing to do with it.

You should check it out too Rebound. Then maybe you can "literally" have a tiny clue what you're talking about.

The problem right now is you two have been so deeply indoctrinated into the false mythos that FDR was some kind of super hero you'll not allow yourselves to even consider all the evidence that the thing I call Prog has been lying to you to deify the screw-up that the Progressive FDR actually was.

Edited September 16, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[Rebound]

46 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Hillary Clinton did not comply. BleachBit + hammers+a knowing "wink" to the DOJ.

False. The IT guy did all that. 
 

But I get it: Trump commits a crime, so you instantly reply with HILLARY!!! HUNTER BIDEN!!!

Trump had four years to prosecute Hillary. And he got impeached for trying to create a way to attack Joe Biden. Trump was most powerful man in the world and he failed at it. 

Edited September 16, 2022 by Rebound

[Rebound]

10 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

You should read the whole thing. You'll understand a bit better. Starting with the first paragraph.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013/11/30/the-great-depression-was-ended-by-the-end-of-world-war-ii-not-the-start-of-it/?sh=20a8b6e057d3

The Forbes guy sees the deregulation as a kind of inevitable consequence of the war but FDR had nothing to do with it.

You should check it out too Rebound. Then maybe you can "literally" have a tiny clue what you're talking about.

The problem right now is you two have been so deeply indoctrinated into the false mythos that FDR was some kind of super hero you'll not allow yourselves to even consider all the evidence that the thing I call Prog has been lying to you to deify the screw-up that the Progressive FDR actually was.

Screw up?

America won WWII in four years. 
George Bush could even conquer Iraq or Afghanistan in twice that tIme, and they are piddling little third world countries. 

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, Rebound said:

You see magic voodoo numbers that you can’t quote. Who told you that? Was it Q? You’re full of crap, dude. You’re certain you’re right but you never have a fact to back up anything you say. 
 

And you’re compliant is that Biden hasn’t balanced the Federal budget in his first year? All he did was slash it by 2/3. The last President to balance a budget was Clinton, and your buddy Bush undid that as soon as he was elected. 

What I see...is a desperate Libbie trying to justify Biden's spending spree and dragging the USA closer to a full-on depression. And for what? Green horse shite and cowing to the destructive Libbies.

Enjoy the mid-terms.

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Yes. Unfortunately you don’t know how to recognize reality. 

LOL...Beave...reality is a month and a half away.

Enjoy it.

[Infidel Dog]

19 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Screw up?

America won WWII in four years. 
George Bush could even conquer Iraq or Afghanistan in twice that tIme, and they are piddling little third world countries. 

FDR won nothing. He had good generals and American manufacturing might. Luck of the draw. There's even a theory that FDR's actions and inactions prolonged the war in Europe and created the necessity of the war in the South Pacific with Japan.

The Americans won the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan at lightning speed. They lost the peace. That last part was dumb and admittedly the responsibility of the neocon, George Bush.

He should have done what Trump did with ISIS. Kick their asses then get out of there as best he could.

Edited September 16, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:

FDR won nothing. He had good generals and American manufacturing might. Luck of the draw. There's even a theory that FDR's actions and inactions prolonged the war in Europe and created the necessity of the war in the South Pacific with Japan.

The Americans won the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan at lightning speed. They lost the peace. That last part was dumb and admittedly the responsibility of the neocon, George Bush.

He should have done what Trump did with ISIS. Kick their asses then get out of there as best he could.

What American manufacturing might? 
The nation was in its 11th year of Depression. There were no airplane or battleship factories. They didn’t build themselves.  

[ironstone]

2 hours ago, Rebound said:

False. The IT guy did all that. 
 

But I get it: Trump commits a crime, so you instantly reply with HILLARY!!! HUNTER BIDEN!!!

Trump had four years to prosecute Hillary. And he got impeached for trying to create a way to attack Joe Biden. Trump was most powerful man in the world and he failed at it. 

I don't know the answer to this question but did the IT guy ever face any repercussions for giving a giant FU to the DOJ?

And whatever happened to "the buck stops here!"?

[ironstone]

2 hours ago, Rebound said:

Screw up?

America won WWII in four years. 
George Bush could even conquer Iraq or Afghanistan in twice that tIme, and they are piddling little third world countries. 

America made a huge contribution to winning WW2 but most people forget we were allied with the brutal Russian dictatorship and this article states that it was the Russians that inflicted fully 75% of the total casualties against the Germans.

GERMANY WAS DEFEATED ON THE EASTERN FRONT, NOT NORMANDY « Eric Margolis

 

[Rebound]

10 minutes ago, ironstone said:

I don't know the answer to this question but did the IT guy ever face any repercussions for giving a giant FU to the DOJ?

And whatever happened to "the buck stops here!"?

I do not know what happened to the IT guy. What I understand is that after having an aide separate the work and personal emails, she told the ISP to delete all of her personal emails, and she gave the work emails to the Dept of State, as required, when she left office.  When the email server thing became investigated, her ISP was served a subpoena, and the IT guy realized he hadn’t deleted the files back when he was told to, so he deleted the files right away. That was a violation of the law, and he should have faced consequences for doing that, but I don’t know if he did.  

[Rebound]

5 minutes ago, ironstone said:

America made a huge contribution to winning WW2 but most people forget we were allied with the brutal Russian dictatorship and this article states that it was the Russians that inflicted fully 75% of the total casualties against the Germans.

GERMANY WAS DEFEATED ON THE EASTERN FRONT, NOT NORMANDY « Eric Margolis

 

That’s a pretty big FU to the 400,000 Americans who died in WW II, especially all those who died fighting Japan, who Russia fought for a whole three weeks, and that was after we dropped the a-bomb. 
 

I don’t think this has anything to do with the fact that Donald Trump is a criminal and needs to be prosecuted for his crimes. 

Edited September 16, 2022 by Rebound

[DogOnPorch]

7 minutes ago, ironstone said:

America made a huge contribution to winning WW2 but most people forget we were allied with the brutal Russian dictatorship and this article states that it was the Russians that inflicted fully 75% of the total casualties against the Germans.

GERMANY WAS DEFEATED ON THE EASTERN FRONT, NOT NORMANDY « Eric Margolis

 

 

The biggest thing the Western Allies did was the remarkable Bomber Campaign. That actually produced real war-winning results early on compared to waging a ground war along the edges of the Reich. The Germans pretty much gave-up on having air superiority on the Eastern Front once the Campaign got to full speed.

Edited September 16, 2022 by DogOnPorch

[DogOnPorch]

3 minutes ago, Rebound said:

That’s a pretty big FU to the 400,000 Americans who died in WW II, especially all those who died fighting Japan, who Russia fought for a whole three weeks, and that was after we dropped the a-bomb.

 

The Soviets clashed with Japan more than just 3 weeks in 1945. Khalkhin Gol for example.

The Soviets' most effective contribution in this theater, however, was pinning down the Japanese Army in Manchuria for the duration of the war. Had this elite force been free to add its weight to the war in China, China and likely Burma & India would have fallen to the Axis.

[ironstone]

1 minute ago, Rebound said:

That’s a pretty big FU to the 400,000 Americans who died in WW II, especially all those who died fighting Japan, who Russia fought for a whole three weeks, and that was after we dropped the a-bomb. 

I did clearly state that the US did make a huge contribution to winning the war. Without the effort of the US most or all of Europe may have been steamrolled by Stalin. Who knows how far Japan could have gone without the US military as an opponent. If you interpret that comment as me giving a big FU to Americans that gave their lives in the war effort then you got it wrong. 

Many countries made huge sacrifices during WW2.

If you read anything I post on here I am certainly not anti-American and I am in fact a fan of the US. I just hate to see the country in decline thanks to poor leadership and foolish policies.

[Rebound]

14 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

The biggest thing the Western Allies did was the remarkable Bomber Campaign. That actually produced real war-winning results early on compared to waging a ground war along the edges of the Reich. The Germans pretty much gave-up on having air superiority on the Eastern Front once the Campaign got to full speed.

You know what else we did in WW II? We executed spies who stole classified information.