'Merica officially becomes Venezuela: Maralogo raided by Biden's goon squad

[BeaverFever]

9 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Did he not tell people that "they need to go into the capitol buildings"? Multiple times? Is that not the exact definition of sedition?…

Did he not whisper into the ear of one of the first people to tear down a barricade? Is that not the exact definition of sedition?

Are there not multiple videos from 2 days of him committing the same acts of sedition?

No, If that were the definition then Trump and every other Republican would be charged with sedition. 
 

 

9 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

s there not a massive search to arrest people for taking part in the Jan 6th mostly peaceful protest?

No, theres a massive search to arrest only the people who assaulted police officers and for people who entered the Capitol building, Epps was neither.

 

9 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Did the FBI director not just get asked whether the FBI had agents and CIs in the crowd participating?

The FBI can never confirm or deny the activity of agents or CIs amd they must always refuse to answer those questions even when they’re absurd. Are you so stupid as to believe they should say “no” when there are no agents/CIs but refuse to answer when there are?   Ted Cruz understands this which is why he set up that piece of theatre.

 

Q:  “Are there FBI agents on the moon?A: No.  

Q:  Are there FBI informants on the Hime Shopping Network?
A: No.

Q:Are there FBI informants in the Gambino Crime family?

A:“Uhhh…I’m not able to answer that”

^ You might not be smart enough to figure out that code but most people are. That’s why they always refuse to answer those questions in public  regardless of whether it’s yes or no  

Besides it’s another red herring because the presence of FBI infiltrators in the in anti-government groups doesn’t “prove” that FBI orchestrated their activities  
 

Thousands of right wing crazies stormed into the Capitol building looking to prevent the prevent the democratic transfer of power and to lynch Pence Pelosi and others. It’s ridiculous to suggest they did so only because they all heard a few encouraging words from a random stranger named Epps. And  many of your Trumptard extremists bragged about their violent anti-democratic intentions in social media amd private messages before and during the insurrection

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

No, If that were the definition then Trump and every other Republican would be charged with sedition. 

This is where you are clearly 100% wrong. 

Epps was urging/coaching/teling people to do the exact things that got them charged criminally. That's sedition.

If Trump or some other GOPer said "Force you way into the capitol", that would be sedition.

Now ya know. Stop saying stupid things.

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No, theres a massive search to arrest only the people who assaulted police officers and for people who entered the Capitol building, Epps was neither.

Apparently you don't know how serious of a crime sedition is. It will get you the death penalty in a time of war. It's arguably one of the most serious crimes there is.

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The FBI can never confirm or deny the activity of agents or CIs amd they must always refuse to answer those questions even when they’re absurd. 

Then we can assume that the FBI did have CIs there, as per normal when they have a chance to interfere politically on behalf of the Dems. 

We already know Epps was an agent provocateur anyways.

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Are you so stupid as to believe they should say “no” when there are no agents/CIs but refuse to answer when there are?   Ted Cruz understands this which is why he set up that piece of theatre.

You're in no position to question anyone's intelligence, and the FBI is credibly accused of political interference again. 

This isn't an issue where the FBI is prosecuting an individual, it's the FBI who is the accused here. 

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You might not be smart enough to figure out that code but most people are.

You don't even know what sedition is, or how serious a crime. Stop acting like you're in a position to look down your nose.

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Besides it’s another red herring because the presence of FBI infiltrators in the in anti-government groups doesn’t “prove” that FBI orchestrated their activities  

It's a mitigating factor in sentencing, and it's another huge black eye for the FBI and the Dems.

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Thousands of right wing crazies stormed into the Capitol building

 That's a lie.

The number was in the low hundreds, and they didn't all "storm in". The police let a lot of them in quite peacefully.

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looking to prevent the prevent the democratic transfer of power

Another lie.

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and to lynch Pence Pelosi and others.

Another lie.

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It’s ridiculous to suggest they did so only because they all heard a few encouraging words from a random stranger named Epps.

Epps was a guy who was encouraging the criminal behaviour that actually occurred, and that is an extremely serious crime.

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And  many of your Trumptard extremists bragged about their violent anti-democratic intentions in social media amd private messages before and during the insurrection

1) You obviously need to provide a cite for that, your word is shit around here

2) If that's the case then they're guilty of serious crimes and they need to be locked up. 

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

This is where you are clearly 100% wrong. 

Epps was urging/coaching/teling people to do the exact things that got them charged criminally. That's sedition.

If Trump or some other GOPer said "Force you way into the capitol", that would be sedition.

Now ya know. Stop saying stupid things.

Apparently you don't know how serious of a crime sedition is. It will get you the death penalty in a time of war. It's arguably one of the most serious crimes there is.

Then we can assume that the FBI did have CIs there, as per normal when they have a chance to interfere politically on behalf of the Dems. 

We already know Epps was an agent provocateur anyways.

You're in no position to question anyone's intelligence, and the FBI is credibly accused of political interference again. 

This isn't an issue where the FBI is prosecuting an individual, it's the FBI who is the accused here. 

You don't even know what sedition is, or how serious a crime. Stop acting like you're in a position to look down your nose.

It's a mitigating factor in sentencing, and it's another huge black eye for the FBI and the Dems.

 That's a lie.

The number was in the low hundreds, and they didn't all "storm in". The police let a lot of them in quite peacefully.

Another lie.

Another lie.

Epps was a guy who was encouraging the criminal behaviour that actually occurred, and that is an extremely serious crime.

1) You obviously need to provide a cite for that, your word is shit around here

2) If that's the case then they're guilty of serious crimes and they need to be locked up. 

Lol are these your expert legal opinions as a high school dropout?   Who needs law school when completely uneducated people can just Google shit and repeat internet rumours?

Everyone stay tuned for another thrilling episode of “WestCanMan, Konstitooshunal Skolar and Leegul Exspurt” now airing on Fox News!

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Lol are these your expert legal opinions as a high school dropout?  

You're one of the dumbest and most credulous people on the internet, and if you're not a dropout then you failed out. You still think that Russian collusion is real ffs. 

"Thowzinds of cwazees stowmed intew the capatow to hang peowosee. They wur vewy skawy, with howns on thaow hewmits!" lol. 

[BeaverFever]

19 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You're one of the dumbest and most credulous people on the internet, and if you're not a dropout then you failed out. You still think that Russian collusion is real ffs. 

"Thowzinds of cwazees stowmed intew the capatow to hang peowosee. They wur vewy skawy, with howns on thaow hewmits!" lol. 

Your post is childish and idiotic, like you.  You are clearly one of Putin’s useful idiots. Now back to the topic at hand before the mods step in…

[WestCanMan]

14 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Your post is childish and idiotic, like you.  You are clearly one of Putin’s useful idiots. Now back to the topic at hand before the mods step in…

Blah blah blah. Your shtick is getting old here Beave. Buh-bye now. 

[Colin Norris]

Here's some facts brother. 

It was raided because he stole docos.  It had nothing to do with biden whatsoever and the DOJ confirmed that. 

Your problem is you still worship the treasonous fascist and want nothing done about it. He should be in jail and will be. 

I suppose you think the j6 enquiry is a witch hunt also. 

Keep believing that because those rednecks who are in jail now don't think it's a witch hunt. 

5 people died as a result of that for no reason. But I suppose you think it is only collateral damage for supporting a fascist takeover. 

Yet you call yourselves patriots. Don't make me vomit. 

 

[BeaverFever]

It’s a pretty said day when old school religious right conservatives are the good guys:

 

Pence warns of ‘unprincipled populists,’ ‘Putin apologists’

 

WASHINGTON (AP) — Former Vice President Mike Pence on Wednesday warned against the growing populist tide in the Republican Party as he admonished “Putin apologists” unwilling to stand up to the Russian leader over his assault on Ukraine.

Speaking at the conservative Heritage Foundation in Washington less than a month before November’s midterm elections, Pence addressed the growing gulf between traditional conservatives and a new generation of populist candidates inspired, in part, by former President Donald Trump.

“Our movement cannot forsake the foundational commitment that we have to security, to limited government, to liberty and to life. But nor can we allow our movement to be led astray by the siren song of unprincipled populism that’s unmoored from our oldest traditions and most cherished values,” he told the think tank audience.

…“As Russia continues its unconscionable war of aggression to Ukraine, I believe that conservatives must make it clear that Putin must stop and Putin will pay,” he added. “There can be no room in the conservative movement for apologists to Putin. There is only room in this movement for champions of freedom.”

…

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-2022-midterm-elections-europe-744e33c8ac5f789329a5f8ec178c1ef5

Edited October 21, 2022 by BeaverFever

[WestCanMan]

On 10/21/2022 at 7:39 AM, BeaverFever said:

It’s a pretty said day when old school religious right conservatives are the good guys:

 

Pence warns of ‘unprincipled populists,’ ‘Putin apologists’

 

WASHINGTON (AP) — Former Vice President Mike Pence on Wednesday warned against the growing populist tide in the Republican Party as he admonished “Putin apologists” unwilling to stand up to the Russian leader over his assault on Ukraine.

Pence is weak. 

[Rebound]

14 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Pence is weak. 

To be honest, a weak man would have knuckled under to Trump’s demands. Pence instead followed his principles and the law. 
 

By the way, Trump lost the 2020 election. In fact, Joe Biden kicked his ass, won the White House, the House, AND the Senate.  Trump is a Big Loser and the Republican leaders know if. 

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Pence is weak. 

No, Your empty failure of a rebuttal is what’s weak. 

[BeaverFever]

In addition to Iran, North Korea, China, Syria and Saudi Arabia, the Putin Puppets can now add Islamist jihadis to their list of allies:

Putin's warlord Ramzan Kadyrov declares Ukraine war 'the Big Jihad' and urges Muslims to rise up and fight 'demons' as Russia's security council calls for the country to be 'de-Satanized'

 

Chechen warlord Ramzan Kadyrov has declared the war in Ukraine to be 'the Big Jihad' while urging Russian Muslims to rise up and fight 'demons' and the forces of 'Satanic democracy'.

Kadyrov, one of Putin's most hardline supporters, ranted against gay people, the transgender, and Western liberals online - saying they have overrun Ukraine, want to destroy Russia, and it is the duty of patriots to take up arms against them.

….

Kadyrov raged: 'I swear with the Almighty's name, this is the Big Jihad which we must all take part in.

'And we will not stop. We will be killing them wherever they are. No matter who is helping them, America or Europe. There is nothing to worry about.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11355721/Ramzan-Kadyrov-declares-Ukraine-Big-Jihad-urges-fight-against-Satanists.html
 

Can you  say “allah-u-akhbar”, Putin Puppets?

[Hodad]

10 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Pence is weak. 

Maybe, but he certainly found his backbone when it was most important. Mike Pence and Dan Quayle are two very unlikely saviors of the Republic, but here we are...

 

[Hodad]

Ray Epps is just a gullible old conservative who became a convenient scapegoat as the far-right disinformation apparatus turned their sights on him. It's hard to feel sorry for anyone who supported Trump enough to travel cross-country to Trump's "Stop the Steal" rally, but even stupid people can learn--and Epps learned a very hard lesson in what the modern GOP and conservative media is all about. He is just thrown away from the movement as grist for their mill. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/13/us/politics/jan-6-conspiracy-theory-ray-epps.html

 

Edited October 26, 2022 by Hodad

[Infidel Dog]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

Ray Epps is just a gullible old conservative who became a convenient scapegoat as the far-right disinformation apparatus turned their sights on him. It's hard to feel sorry for anyone who supported Trump enough to travel cross-country to Trump's "Stop the Steal" rally, but even stupid people can learn--and Epps learned a very hard lesson in what the modern GOP and conservative media is all about. He is just thrown away from the movement as grist for their mill. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/13/us/politics/jan-6-conspiracy-theory-ray-epps.html

 

Here's the problem with that theory. He was such an activist about everybody entering the Capitol building. Why didn't he enter himself?

And why was there never any charges against him when so many protestors were imprisoned as political prisoners for so much less? 

The best example would be the grandmother who was sentenced to 6 months for some bogus charge they pulled out Garland's sleazy, commie butt called  "Parading."

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:

Here's the problem with that theory. He was such an activist about everybody entering the Capitol building. Why didn't he enter himself?

And why was there never any charges against him when so many protestors were imprisoned as political prisoners for so much less? 

The best example would be the grandmother who was sentenced to 6 months for some bogus charge they pulled out Garland's sleazy, commie butt called  "Parading."

Epps is on video the night before the riot saying they need to go into the capitol peacefully. (Perhaps he thought better of it on Jan 6 once the violence started.) At any rate, Epps didn't go into the building (and most who didn't haven't been charged). Epps claimed that he tried to stop Samsel from attacking police and barricade- and Samsel confirmed Epps' story. I mean, he's an idiot to be on that bandwagon in the first place, but he didn't cross any bright lines on Jan 6, so I'm not sure why folks think he should have been arrested. -- He's also not a mysterious figure. He has a life and history both before and after Jan 6 and there is frankly no reason to think the FBI brought in older, wedding-venue owner from Arizona to incite a riot on Jan 6. He's just a dude who got hopped up on MAGA. No special influence or position. It takes a lot of conspiracy magic thinking to imagine that this would even seem like a feasible plan to the FBI. -- And honestly, if just some random dude saying a few words can inspire the violence of Jan 6 those rioters have bigger problems than the election. 

I'm not familiar with the grandmother to which you refer, but despite the name "parading" is not a rare or bogus charge. It's a misdemeanor with light sentencing. I'm not aware of anyone getting 6 months, but chances are if that happened it was a plea down from a more serious charge.

[WestCanMan]

14 hours ago, Rebound said:

To be honest, a weak man would have knuckled under to Trump’s demands. Pence instead followed his principles and the law. 
 

By the way, Trump lost the 2020 election. In fact, Joe Biden kicked his ass, won the White House, the House, AND the Senate.  Trump is a Big Loser and the Republican leaders know if. 

It's so hilarious to see Dems who hated Pence for 4 years suddenly call him "a man of principle" lol. So pathetic. 

[WestCanMan]

14 hours ago, Rebound said:

By the way, Trump lost the 2020 election.

I never held out any hope that the election results would be overturned. 

However, to believe that the Dems never cheated is incredibly stupid considering how much cheating they did on the 2016 election, and it's the height of hypocrisy for leftards to suddenly act like undemocratic to question election results after spending 4 years of calling Trump an illegitimate president.

Hillary is already saying that the GOP are going to cheat on the midterms and on the next presidential election.... Where's the outrage form the idiotic left? Didn't it become treason to question election results back in Nov of 2016?

[WestCanMan]

46 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Epps claimed that he tried to stop Samsel from attacking police and barricade- and Samsel confirmed Epps' story.

1) So you think that Epps spent the night before the riot and the day of the riot instructing people that "THEY HAVE TO GET INSIDE THE CAPITOL and he suddenly started whispering the opposite at the last second?

2) The FBI like to offer people reduced sentences for the testimony that they want to hear to further their political agenda. If Samsel wants to be free he has no choice but say what the FBI want him to say. 

Don't forget that the FBI's official position was that Flynn lied although two agents present at the time said that he didn't.

Edited October 26, 2022 by WestCanMan

[Nationalist]

Interesting page of "stuff".

Epps should...and hopefully will...be hauled in front of a Congressional Investigation and will have to speak...under oath. ON THAT SAME DAY...and perhaps just before Mr. Epps opens his mouth...WITNESSES and video evidence needs to be presented to this Congressional Investigation. THAT'S rational thought. Let the people directly involved, say their piece and let the American people decide who's lying. If they dare lie under oath.

[email protected], ya sort o' stepped in it on this page. I assume this is why you ran away from your funny discussion with WestCanMan. You and your fellow brigaders consistently exhibit the same childish thought process.

'It not true! Its not true! Its not true!'

Unfortunately, in the vast majority of cases, it is true. How do you people do it? I can't imagine finding myself arguing daily for garbage that you must already know is false? Do you enjoy being wrong? Don't you silly fops not realize there are actual gr'ups here who know better?

You could argue things like your position on the UkeWar...or even abortion. But to deny that which has already be proven false as hell...I don' know...I just find the effort...comical.

 

[Hodad]

33 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

1) So you think that Epps spent the night before the riot and the day of the riot instructing people that "THEY HAVE TO GET INSIDE THE CAPITOL and he suddenly started whispering the opposite at the last second?

2) The FBI like to offer people reduced sentences for the testimony that they want to hear to further their political agenda. If Samsel wants to be free he has no choice but say what the FBI want him to say. 

Don't forget that the FBI's official position was that Flynn lied although two agents present at the time said that he didn't.

You're just spewing conspiracy nonsense. There's not really anything to say about it, because anything said becomes part of the conspiracy. Exactly as you did in point 2. -- One of the rioters validates Epps claim and you spin it right into the conspiracy. -- Thanks Alex Jones. Sigh.

Edited October 26, 2022 by Hodad

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

You're just spewing conspiracy nonsense. There's not really anything to say about it, because anything said becomes part of the conspiracy. Exactly as you did in point 2. -- One of the rioters validates Epps claim and you spin it right into the conspiracy. -- Thanks Alex Jones. Sigh.

 

FACT: Epps yelled the exact same thing for two days - "YOU HAVE TO ENTER THE CAPITOL BUILDINGS" - and then at the barricade outside the capitol he whispered something to a young guy, and 5 seconds later that young guy went and did the exact thing that Epps yelled about for two days.

You think Epps suddenly had a change of heart, and he told that guy not to go in. 

Everyone else thinks he egged him on.

Hmmmm. One of our theories sounds pretty crazy, right?

The guy may have said that Epps told him not to go in, but you know that the FBI offers people reduced sentences to get the story that fits their narrative, right? That's not a conspiracy theory at all. They did it with Stone, Manafort and Flynn. 

So there's a 99.9% chance that Epps was urging him on, and a 0.1% chance that you're right.

So think about this then: Why would Epps yell one thing to a crowd for two days straight, and then whisper the opposite, right at the crucial time? If he knew that going into the building was wrong, why didn't he yell it, like he was doing earlier? Was he an FBI agent provocateur trying to get the mob to do the wrong thing, but he just cared about that one kid?

What's your completely sound logic for Epps's sudden and extremely quiet change of heart? Why just tell that one guy? 

I can't wait to hear your next idiotic conspiracy theory. 

Edited October 26, 2022 by WestCanMan

[Hodad]

6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

 

FACT: Epps yelled the exact same thing for two days - "YOU HAVE TO ENTER THE CAPITOL BUILDINGS" - and then at the barricade outside the capitol he whispered something to a young guy, and 5 seconds later that young guy went and did the exact thing that Epps yelled about for two days.

You think Epps suddenly had a change of heart, and he told that guy not to go in. 

Everyone else thinks he egged him on.

Hmmmm. One of our theories sounds pretty crazy, right?

The guy may have said that Epps told him not to go in, but you know that the FBI offers people reduced sentences to get the story that fits their narrative, right? That's not a conspiracy theory at all. They did it with Stone, Manafort and Flynn. 

So there's a 99.9% chance that Epps was urging him on, and a 0.1% chance that you're right.

So think about this then: Why would Epps yell one thing to a crowd for two days straight, and then whisper the opposite, right at the crucial time? If he knew that going into the building was wrong, why didn't he yell it, like he was doing earlier? Was he an FBI agent provocateur trying to get the mob to do the wrong thing, but he just cared about that one kid?

What's your completely sound logic for Epps's sudden and extremely quiet change of heart? Why just tell that one guy? 

I can't wait to hear your next idiotic conspiracy theory. 

Yes, Alex, and no children were killed at Sandy Hook. They were all crisis actors, right?

I'm not aware of Epps urging people in on Jan 6, but he is certainly on video stressing "peacefully." And it's not any kind of stretch for someone to bail out on a peaceful protest when it turns violent. There were a LOT of people there who didn't join the riot.

Your "reasoning" is that the FBI did it, and anything that contradicts that conclusion--including sworn testimony from any of the parties involved--is that the FBI made them say what they said. 

With thinking like that, you're literally beyond reach. Everything contrary to the conspiracy is part of the conspiracy! There's no way to drive a train back onto the tracks and I don't have a crane handy.

[Infidel Dog]

7 hours ago, Hodad said:

Epps is on video the night before the riot saying they need to go into the capitol peacefully. (Perhaps he thought better of it on Jan 6 once the violence started.) At any rate, Epps didn't go into the building (and most who didn't haven't been charged). Epps claimed that he tried to stop Samsel from attacking police and barricade- and Samsel confirmed Epps' story.

Oh yeah, Epps didn't want the cops to get hurt. He was with them. They were paying the check. But there's video of him helping carry a barricade to bust things up. 

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At least two others who participated in lifting the sign have been charged with felony assault with a dangerous weapon for this act (18 U.S.C. § 111(a)(1), and (b)): Marshall Neefe and Sean Michael McHugh

 

 

Edited October 26, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[Infidel Dog]

5 hours ago, Hodad said:

 At any rate, Epps didn't go into the building (and most who didn't haven't been charged).

People have been charged for all kinds of Mickey Mouse borderline misdemeanor BS they beef up into felonies. Eps was as ripe for one of those as anybody:

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The New York Times reported in January there was no evidence Epps entered the Capitol on Jan. 6. "We're holding ground — we're not trying to get people hurt," Epps was filmed telling the rioter while standing on restricted Capitol grounds. The report also said Epps committed an offense by entering a restricted part of Capitol grounds but added that the crime "has largely gone unpunished."

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/ray-epps-called-fbi-tip-line-two-days-after-capitol-riot-report