Question for Trudeau Haters....

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, TreeBeard said:

Yes, it’s certainly neck & neck currently.   And the analysis by the editorial writer at the NP seems to be relying on a demographic that didn’t vote for the Cons to win…. hmmm…. Dubious claim?  
 

But the Cons are still running in the 30%s.  Why aren’t they polling higher with a government that, if you listen to the members of this forum, is the least popular in the history of Canada?

But there won’t be an election for a couple years….  

Just more rope for Pixie-Dust to hang himself with.

[TreeBeard]

Just now, Nationalist said:

Just more rope for Pixie-Dust to hang himself with.

Aren’t the polls at roughly the same numbers as the last election, within the margin of error?  
 

He seems to be doing fine, despite a likely bump for the Cons due to the leadership fight and all the bd news about inflation and gas prices. 
 

what fantasy land do you people live in?  Were  you one of the people predicting Trudeau’s downfall the last 3 elections?

[Nationalist]

3 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Aren’t the polls at roughly the same numbers as the last election, within the margin of error?  
 

He seems to be doing fine, despite a likely bump for the Cons due to the leadership fight and all the bd news about inflation and gas prices. 
 

what fantasy land do you people live in?  Were  you one of the people predicting Trudeau’s downfall the last 3 elections?

No I was one of the people HOPING for Pixie's downfall. Still hopeful.

The CPC has one major disadvantage in Canada. There's no conservative NDP equivalent. No Klingons to saddle up with. They have to win on their own.

[TreeBeard]

Just now, Nationalist said:

No I was one of the people HOPING for Pixie's downfall. Still hopeful.

The CPC has one major disadvantage in Canada. There's no conservative NDP equivalent. No Klingons to saddle up with. They have to win on their own.

If there were no NDP, would the Cons ever win?   Seems to me that the vote is split on the “left”, and not on the “right”. 

[Nationalist]

7 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

If there were no NDP, would the Cons ever win?   Seems to me that the vote is split on the “left”, and not on the “right”. 

I think so. How many times has the NDP propped up a Liberal minority government?

[TreeBeard]

4 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I think so. How many times has the NDP propped up a Liberal minority government?

LOL

You ignore the part where the Libs would benefit from the 20% or so of NDP voters.  Or do you think those would go to the Cons?  Do you know how first past the post elections work?

Example:

Cons - 40%

Libs - 30%

NDP -  20%

other - 10%

Cons win the riding. But likely wouldn’t if the NDP weren’t there. 

[Nationalist]

16 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

LOL

You ignore the part where the Libs would benefit from the 20% or so of NDP voters.  Or do you think those would go to the Cons?  Do you know how first past the post elections work?

Example:

Cons - 40%

Libs - 30%

NDP -  20%

other - 10%

Cons win the riding. But likely wouldn’t if the NDP weren’t there. 

Except we're both guessing now.

[PIK]

37 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Aren’t the polls at roughly the same numbers as the last election, within the margin of error?  
 

He seems to be doing fine, despite a likely bump for the Cons due to the leadership fight and all the bd news about inflation and gas prices. 
 

what fantasy land do you people live in?  Were  you one of the people predicting Trudeau’s downfall the last 3 elections?

Trudeau has pissed off almost every segment of the country, I think many libs will not vote this time. He is not lijed in Que, that a con mmajority could mean the separatists become official opposition again.

[PIK]

18 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

LOL

You ignore the part where the Libs would benefit from the 20% or so of NDP voters.  Or do you think those would go to the Cons?  Do you know how first past the post elections work?

Example:

Cons - 40%

Libs - 30%

NDP -  20%

other - 10%

Cons win the riding. But likely wouldn’t if the NDP weren’t there. 

Young people want to buy houses to. Some poll numbers have shown young left wringers looking at PP. But its a poll. Lol

[TreeBeard]

4 minutes ago, PIK said:

Trudeau has pissed off almost every segment of the country, I think many libs will not vote this time. He is not lijed in Que, that a con mmajority could mean the separatists become official opposition again.

The Cons hope for winning an election is for the other side to stay home?

Wish in one hand, shit in the other…. See which fills up first. 

[Zeitgeist]

I expect constant Liberal wins because clearly the population have been fed Liberal woke-green crapola from state-funded media for years.  Hardner and Treeface and the others on here have said themselves that Canadians are stupid and will support stupid government.  I’d like to think otherwise, but our country has been babied and bombarded with fear porn and hysteria about far-right stuff.  Poilievre is Pat King in disguise, etc.  As I’ve said before, sensible people may want to emigrate out of Canada.  I’m certainly looking at it, you’ll be happy to hear.  Let the communists freeze their asses off in Canuckistan.  

[TreeBeard]

32 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I expect constant Liberal wins because clearly the population have been fed Liberal woke-green crapola from state-funded media for years.  Hardner and Treeface and the others on here have said themselves that Canadians are stupid and will support stupid government.  I’d like to think otherwise, but our country has been babied and bombarded with fear porn and hysteria about far-right stuff.  Poilievre is Pat King in disguise, etc.  As I’ve said before, sensible people may want to emigrate out of Canada.  I’m certainly looking at it, you’ll be happy to hear.  Let the communists freeze their asses off in Canuckistan.  

This sounds like a rant from someone who didn’t get their way.  
 

Where did I say Canadians are stupid?  Please provide a cite. 

[Zeitgeist]

3 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

This sounds like a rant from someone who didn’t get their way.  
 

Where did I say Canadians are stupid?  Please provide a cite. 

You keep assuming that people can’t distinguish between nuanced viewpoints.  I’m not even disagreeing.  I think your low expectations may be met.  I just won’t entertain them.  

[TreeBeard]

4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You keep assuming that people can’t distinguish between nuanced viewpoints.  I’m not even disagreeing.  I think your low expectations may be met.  I just won’t entertain them.  

I don’t have low expectations.  Where did I say Canadians are stupid?   Don’t dance around it, just link to where I said so.  

[Zeitgeist]

22 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

I don’t have low expectations.  Where did I say Canadians are stupid?   Don’t dance around it, just link to where I said so.  

No dance.  You assume that Canadians can’t discern sensible policies and will reject the barely conservative Conservatives because the Conservatives are too conservative.  It’s ridiculous but has a probability.  One only has to look at the silly connections some posters on here make between the Conservatives and some imagined form of extremism.  That’s the Liberal game.  Amp up the fear, promise people more stuff, stoke division.  I’ve checked out of worrying about it because the country may be somewhat lost.  That’s why it comes down to individuals and their acts.  If people want to do stupid things, they can. I think the direction of the country must change, but it might not happen.  That’s why I do my own thing.  

Edited August 11, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[TreeBeard]

20 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

No dance.  You assume that Canadians can’t discern sensible policies and will reject the barely conservative Conservatives because the Conservatives are too conservative.  It’s ridiculous but has a probability.  One only has to look at the silly connections some posters on here make between the Conservatives and some imagined form of extremism.  That’s the Liberal game.  Amp up the fear, promise people more stuff, stoke division.  I’ve checked out of worrying about it because the country may be somewhat lost.  That’s why it comes down to individuals and their acts.  If people want to do stupid things, they can. I think the direction of the country must change, but it might not happen.  That’s why I do my own thing.  

Nowhere did I say Canadians are stupid.  They’ve made a judgement on party policies and have, for the most part, rejected Conservative policies, accepted Liberal policies, or a combination of the two.  
 

 

[Zeitgeist]

27 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Nowhere did I say Canadians are stupid.  They’ve made a judgement on party policies and have, for the most part, rejected Conservative policies, accepted Liberal policies, or a combination of the two.  
 

 

The country shifted too far left after the Liberals out-lefted the NDP to get elected in 2015.  It’s only shifted farther left.  The totalitarian overreach is more recent but even more troubling.  

[Dougie93]

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Let the communists freeze their asses off in Canuckistan.  

some men have to remain behind the lines to support the resistance

Christ summons us to fight for the light, in the darkest of places

pilgrims on the road to Calvary

De Oppresso Liber

Edited August 11, 2022 by Dougie93

[TreeBeard]

32 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

The country shifted too far left after the Liberals out-lefted the NDP to get elected in 2015.  It’s only shifted farther left.  The totalitarian overreach is more recent but even more troubling.  

In your opinion….  do you think most Canadians would agree that it has shifted “too far left”?

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

The country shifted too far left after the Liberals out-lefted the NDP to get elected in 2015.  It’s only shifted farther left.  The totalitarian overreach is more recent but even more troubling.  

"The children will not leave unless I do. I shall not leave unless their father does, and the king will not leave the country in any circumstances, whatever." ~ Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon

Vimy Myth

you are the one who invoked it

bydand

Edited August 11, 2022 by Dougie93

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

In your opinion….  do you think most Canadians would agree that it has shifted “too far left”?

I think that the majority do now, yes.  They’re behind a self-affirming sock curtain of fear-mongering, however.  Fear of being male or female. Fear of being Canadian.  Fear of Americans. Fear of freedom.   Fear of Covid.  Fear of “climate change.”  Fear of racism, misogyny, colonialism, and “the patriarchy.”  Fear of being canceled.  Fear of conservatives.  Fear of police.  Fear of independent thought.  Fear of being human.  

[Dougie93]

17 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I think that the majority do now, yes.  They’re behind a self-affirming sock curtain of fear-mongering, however.  Fear of being male or female. Fear of being Canadian.  Fear of Americans. Fear of freedom.   Fear of Covid.  Fear of “climate change.”  Fear of racism, misogyny, colonialism, and “the patriarchy.”  Fear of being canceled.  Fear of conservatives.  Fear of police.  Fear of independent thought.  Fear of being human.  

I would agree with the Veterans 4 Freedom estimate of the demographic terrain

1% of Canadians are the treasonous elite

4% cowards, sycophants & cronies, the technocrats

20% brainwashed Communist lunatics

yet 65% of the population, are just trying to keep their heads down, avoid trouble, live their lives

then 10% are the patriots

 it is the role of the patriots to rally round the colours

to fight & win a hearts & minds campaign

to win over the 65% to the cause

that cause being the defence of the light of civilization itself

against the forces of darkness

again, Jesus of Nazareth summons us to the crucible of Calvary

no fears on earth

not a metaphor

mission

Edited August 11, 2022 by Dougie93

[TreeBeard]

18 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I think that the majority do now, yes.  They’re behind a self-affirming sock curtain of fear-mongering, however.  Fear of being male or female. Fear of being Canadian.  Fear of Americans. Fear of freedom.   Fear of Covid.  Fear of “climate change.”  Fear of racism, misogyny, colonialism, and “the patriarchy.”  Fear of being canceled.  Fear of conservatives.  Fear of police.  Fear of independent thought.  Fear of being human.  

Sounds like mere excuses for losing elections.  “Canadians would vote for the Cons, but they’re scared”. 
 

When in reality, if you ask someone why they don’t vote for the Cons, it’s likely because they don’t like their policies. But, the losers interpret this as being “scared”. 

Edited August 11, 2022 by TreeBeard

[Dougie93]

3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

 That’s why I do my own thing.  

so do I

yet one never leaves the regiment, but feet first in a pine box

once a stand to has been invoked

we go over the top when the whistle blows

for the brothers to the left & right of us

as they say in the French Foreign Legion

the regiment is our fatherland

join us

we need every swinging dick in the field right now

Edited August 12, 2022 by Dougie93

[Zeitgeist]

31 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Sounds like mere excuses for losing elections.  “Canadians would vote for the Cons, but they’re scared”. 
 

When in reality, if you ask someone why they don’t vote for the Cons, it’s likely because they don’t like their policies. But, the losers interpret this as being “scared”. 

You seem to think my life depends on what the electorate decides.  I think politics and policies are important, but I don’t expect government to solve most problems.  People have to do that for themselves.  You’re clearly in support of more government and programs.  You want people to be taken care of and don’t think people can make good decisions for themselves.  Some kind of authority has to do it.  Abdicate as much personal responsibility as you want.  Feels like adult daycare to me.  Not interested.  I think as Canadians are wisening to the cost of this overreach, not just financial but in terms of the free flow of ideas and individual rights, they are questioning whether they want so many aspects of their lives in this government’s hands.  What does Trudeau even stand for?   Feminism?  Fighting for democracy around the world?  Yeah okay.  

Edited August 12, 2022 by Zeitgeist