Queenmandy85 Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 55 minutes ago, Nationalist said: But DO NOT let me catch you claiming to be any sort of a patriot. I did not realize you were the sole arbitrator of the definition of patriotism. You certainly have a warped idea of what a nationalist is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 19 minutes ago, dialamah said: Perhaps voting their conscience means not voting for Poliviere. Ever think of that? Of course. But... Quote If, as all the experts predict, Mr. Poillievre and the Socialist Credit rump wins the leadership of the CPC, we need to get used to the prospect of a Liberal government until 2029. Without a viable Conservative party, the grits will continue to be the Natural Governing Party. So in this case, voting for Charest would be a vote to have a Liberal as leader of the Conservative party, just so power can be gained for the party. Not because Charest would be a good Conservative leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 14 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: I did not realize you were the sole arbitrator of the definition of patriotism. You certainly have a warped idea of what a nationalist is. Perhaps... But you Sir, have a very warped idea of how one should use the one power we, the little people, have. The ballot. This is how we get idiots in power. Its how the CPC managed to saddle themselves with Howdy Doody and then the remarkable man with no principles. Both of whom embarrassed the CPC and damaged its political trust. Without a strong willed Conservative leader, this nation is destined to BE Liberal...regardless of the name or party affiliation any PM has. At that point...the Liberals always have leadership power. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: I think we all need to calm down about America’s influence and control. Empires come and go and I’m grateful that Canada is part of the American and formerly British empire. English Canada preserved French Canada, and now the US is preserving Canadian North America. Fine by me. the fear & loathing of America is deeply ingrained in the Canadian culture thus why when the elites get in trouble here, they invoke the Reb Menace as a rubric to crack down but I actually see the threat going forward being the opposite of invasion America no longer views Canada as a trusted nor useful partner Canada is now viewed as an economic competitor dumping subsidized goods in the American market Canada is now viewed as a back door fifth column for China Canada is viewed as a breeding ground for terrorism and Canada is viewed as being an anti-freedom authoritarian regime of late so I think the threat to Canada, is that America is going to start freezing Canada out hardening & thickening the border trade barriers & protectionism security protocols to bar entry to Canadians Edited August 2, 2022 by Dougie93 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queenmandy85 Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 Governments in Canada are a reflection of the electorate made up of red tories and blue grits. That is the will of the electorate. Some people call it democracy. Part of the task of governing is to find solutions to problems. The best solutions are found in the centre. If a government veers toward the extreme, such as the NDP or the PPC, they fail. Every Conservative Prime Minister has been a red tory. Mr. Poillievre is a socialist crediter like Bob Thompson and Preston Manning. Both are men of integrity, but their policies are too extreme for Canadian voters. Who is going to spend their life savings and give up their income for 18 months to run for Mr. Poillievre's social credit only to be defeated. If you don't like having Mr. Trudeau being Prime Minister, you need to support an alternative who can defeat him and Jean Charest is the only candidate who can do that. If Mr. Poillievre becomes leader, either : 1. a lot of Conservatives will sit out the election or, 2. Conservatives will hold their nose and vote liberal, or 3. the CPC will split into two parties Mr. Poillievre talks about freedom, yet he is going to bring in censorship and attack our bank accounts. He has promised to shut down the CBC, there by denying Canadians access to programming unavailable anywhere else. He has also promised to replace our money with pseudo- currency which will make our savings worthless. The reason the Canadian government has been successful in responding to the two biggest crises we've had in the last decade is because in both situations, NAFTA and Covid, the government and the opposition and the Provincial goverments joined together in common purpose. Do you believe Mr. Poillievre's ultra partisanship will allow that to happen in future? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queenmandy85 Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: So in this case, voting for Charest would be a vote to have a Liberal as leader of the Conservative party, just so power can be gained for the party. Not because Charest would be a good Conservative leader. He did such a successful job as leader of the Conservative party, the Quebec Liberal party begged him to lead them to defeat the separatists. He was still a conservative but he stepped up and protected national unity. Jean Charest has always been a Conservative and always will be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 4 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said: They tried to invade us twice, and we kicked them out both times. that wasn't you, the bourgeois Canadians of today who can't even stand the sight of gun that was we, the British North Americans of yore a Scots German Empire to find a Northwest Passage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queenmandy85 Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 I have an announcement. Based on the analysis of Eric Grenier on the CBC, I predict Pierre Poillievre will win the leadership of the Conservative party of Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefarious Banana Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 33 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: He did such a successful job as leader of the Conservative party, the Quebec Liberal party begged him to lead them to defeat the separatists. He was still a conservative but he stepped up and protected national unity. Jean Charest has always been a Conservative and always will be. Is Jean Charest viewed as a Conservative by his own party? Do the CPC voting members reflect his popularity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefarious Banana Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: I have an announcement. Based on the analysis of Eric Grenier on the CBC, I predict Pierre Poillievre will win the leadership of the Conservative party of Canada. Wow! How were you able to pick out the Quarter horse in the field of Shetland ponies? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 45 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: He did such a successful job as leader of the Conservative party, the Quebec Liberal party begged him to lead them to defeat the separatists. He was still a conservative but he stepped up and protected national unity. Jean Charest has always been a Conservative and always will be. Ya...right... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 You all know that Canada is ruled by the center and Mulroney and Harper were the only successful Conservatives in modern times. Now as a known NOT Conservative looking in who has voted for them (Mulroney & BC's Gordon Campbell) in the past I see this great rah rah that they're not "right enough" for most of you. I'm sorry for those of you that don't agree with August and realize as Canadians you have it better than any humans in any time in history, and with Queenmandy that Charest has the only chance, be it not likely. Take the advice from the other end of the spectrum that's so woke they kissed off any chance of success with the wrong leadership choice, there's over 20% of the voters would could rush to vote Liberal if they thought Poilievre stood a chance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted August 2, 2022 Report Share Posted August 2, 2022 (edited) sadly, I suspect Poilievre is just another Stephen Harper who says all the right things in opposition, runs from the right but as soon as he is in office, adopts the Liberals platform for the most part and otherwise fails to do anything particularly conservative at all just a do nothing pause, until the Liberals come back to drive Canada even further to the lunatic Communist left nothing will actually change in Canada until the Laurentian Elite pseudo aristocracy are utterly discredited by a a devastating economic reckoning only then will the treasonous elites be hurled from office into the Queen's dungeons, at Milhaven Maximum Security Penitentiary Edited August 2, 2022 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted August 3, 2022 Report Share Posted August 3, 2022 3 hours ago, Dougie93 said: the fear & loathing of America is deeply ingrained in the Canadian culture thus why when the elites get in trouble here, they invoke the Reb Menace as a rubric to crack down but I actually see the threat going forward being the opposite of invasion America no longer views Canada as a trusted nor useful partner Canada is now viewed as an economic competitor dumping subsidized goods in the American market Canada is now viewed as a back door fifth column for China Canada is viewed as a breeding ground for terrorism and Canada is viewed as being an anti-freedom authoritarian regime of late so I think the threat to Canada, is that America is going to start freezing Canada out hardening & thickening the border trade barriers & protectionism security protocols to bar entry to Canadians Depends on which team runs the show in America. The blue team and Canada are usually on the same page. The US has never liked Canada’s cozying up to Castro really. I do wonder if Trudeau Jr. is Castro’s son. It makes more sense of the authoritarian bent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted August 3, 2022 Report Share Posted August 3, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Depends on which team runs the show in America. The blue team and Canada are usually on the same page. The US has never liked Canada’s cozying up to Castro really. I do wonder if Trudeau Jr. is Castro’s son. It makes more sense of the authoritarian bent. the Party of Lincoln is the party of the working & middle classes, cast aside by the elites the Democrat Party traitors to the republic shall hang themselves by their own ropes sic semper tyrannis Edited August 3, 2022 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted August 3, 2022 Report Share Posted August 3, 2022 (edited) I’ve come to realize that the Dems and Liberals don’t like workers generally. The bleeding heart rhetoric is what they spew to absolve themselves of the visceral loathing they have for the people they pretend to support generally. As in, they wouldn’t hang out with them by choice. Too polished and over sensitive for the unwashed masses. Edited August 3, 2022 by Zeitgeist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted August 3, 2022 Report Share Posted August 3, 2022 People said Harper couldn't win, he did. People said Trudeau couldn't, he did. Trudeau is to toxic now. I think he will be stepping down , could be the reason he is traveling so much on our dime. Or going to call a snap election in Sept. Lol But I think PP will beat him. I think Charest can beat him. With the vilifying of PP in the press shows the left is scared. Has PP said some stupid stuff, yup, and said some very smart stuff. Trudeau just says whatever he feels like at that moment , which is irresponsible at times, like the freezing of handgun sales. Remember, Trudeau under a different name, never would have become leader of anything and people are now tired of him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted August 3, 2022 Report Share Posted August 3, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: I’ve come to realize that the Dems and Liberals don’t like workers generally. a satanic alliance between the slave holding Democrat plantation aristocracy the tyrannical bastard Trudeau, Marxist Leninist sire of Fidel Castro and Red Francis, Whore of Babylon Edited August 3, 2022 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted August 3, 2022 Report Share Posted August 3, 2022 55 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: I’ve come to realize that the Dems and Liberals don’t like workers generally. Yeah they only pay lip service and throw them the odd bone. The GOP and Conservatives right out screw workers in the arse and convince them it feels good. Elect a billionaire he'll have worker interests at heart. Reducing the deficit is more important than dental or child care. That's why I no longer vote for either right-wing party. At least the Dems and Libs don't sacrifice lambs to Satan to include their socially backwards beliefs into practice. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted August 3, 2022 Report Share Posted August 3, 2022 10 hours ago, herbie said: Yeah they only pay lip service and throw them the odd bone. The GOP and Conservatives right out screw workers in the arse and convince them it feels good. Elect a billionaire he'll have worker interests at heart. Reducing the deficit is more important than dental or child care. That's why I no longer vote for either right-wing party. At least the Dems and Libs don't sacrifice lambs to Satan to include their socially backwards beliefs into practice. Is that what this is about for you? Dental and child-care? Taxation not quite high enough for you yet? Printing money seems reasonable to you? Would you like a bigger shovel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted August 3, 2022 Report Share Posted August 3, 2022 12 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: I’ve come to realize that the Dems and Liberals don’t like workers generally. Lots of examples of this: corporate donations, Bill Clinton cancelling welfare, Hillary Clinton slipping up and denouncing universal healthcare... True conservatives reward work and innovation, not corporate and political dynasties. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted August 3, 2022 Report Share Posted August 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: Taxation not quite high enough for you yet? Corporate or personal? https://www.google.com/search?q=Canadian+corporate+tax+rates+over+time&client=ms-android-motorola-rev2&prmd=insv&sxsrf=ALiCzsZccrrB4mAHWdbOA61cDRQIhL-Tyw:1659530657231&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwibq8W62ar5AhXJIEQIHboZAVUQ_AUoAXoECAIQAQ&biw=360&bih=654&dpr=2#imgrc=DLhEE0CJC-wCzM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted August 3, 2022 Report Share Posted August 3, 2022 11 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Corporate or personal? https://www.google.com/search?q=Canadian+corporate+tax+rates+over+time&client=ms-android-motorola-rev2&prmd=insv&sxsrf=ALiCzsZccrrB4mAHWdbOA61cDRQIhL-Tyw:1659530657231&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwibq8W62ar5AhXJIEQIHboZAVUQ_AUoAXoECAIQAQ&biw=360&bih=654&dpr=2#imgrc=DLhEE0CJC-wCzM Both Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queenmandy85 Posted August 3, 2022 Report Share Posted August 3, 2022 16 hours ago, Dougie93 said: the fear & loathing of America is deeply ingrained in the Canadian culture Not fear and loathing. It is mild self-righteousness. Like most Canadians, I like Americans. I just prefer to be a Canadian. We are quite different from each other. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted August 3, 2022 Report Share Posted August 3, 2022 21 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: Not fear and loathing. It is mild self-righteousness. Like most Canadians, I like Americans. I just prefer to be a Canadian. We are quite different from each other. What are those differences though and are they worth preserving? I used to think our more communitarian and less revolutionary ways were virtues, but I wonder if we’re just more compliant and less entrepreneurial in Canada. Not to say we don’t have trailblazers, but… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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