blackbird Posted June 18, 2022 Report Share Posted June 18, 2022 (edited) After decriminalizing hard drugs Portland becomes an open air market for drugs | The Jim Bakker Show If this is true, what is the future beginning in January 2023 going to look like in B.C. Did the federal liberals and their NDP cohorts look at this situation in Portland before decriminalizing drugs in B.C.? I am not a regular follower of the Jim Bakker Show but came across this article while searching for something for someone else. quote Important Takeaways: Portland resembles an ‘open air drug market’ after decriminalizing hard drugs: Overdose deaths skyrocket by 41% in the Democrat-led city as homeless addicts collapse on sidewalks Law enforcement agents say that the streets of Portland are full of homeless addicts openly buying and selling drugs Photos show the desperate situation in the Pacific Northwest city, where people can be seen shooting up drugs or passed out in broad daylight The dreadful scene comes 16 months after Ballot Measure 110 went into effect in February 2021 Oregon was the first state in the United States to decriminalize possession of personal-use amounts of heroin, methamphetamine, LSD, oxycodone But since the measure was passed overdose deaths in the state hit an all-time high in 2021 with 1069, a 41 percent increase from 2020 Unquote Edited June 21, 2022 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted June 18, 2022 Report Share Posted June 18, 2022 Here's a discussion of how this ballot initiative fell short. There's supposed to be treatment support, which hasn't come through. I am interested in whether this change will have any effect at all. https://www.opb.org/article/2022/05/24/oregons-measure-110-is-falling-short-according-to-some-advocates-for-addiction-recovery/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted June 19, 2022 Report Share Posted June 19, 2022 It's what happens when you do something half assed instead of an all encompassing strategy like Portugal where they jail dealers and require mandatory treatment for addicts but without any criminal charges. No doubt our SC would rule mandatory treatment is a Charter violation, so we won't see much change. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 20, 2022 Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 Criminalizing use of illicit drugs doesn't not solve the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted June 20, 2022 Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 9 minutes ago, Boges said: Criminalizing use of illicit drugs doesn't not solve the problem. I think that's true enough but decriminalizing might not help either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted June 20, 2022 Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 On 6/19/2022 at 11:17 AM, Aristides said: It's what happens when you do something half assed instead of an all encompassing strategy like Portugal where they jail dealers and require mandatory treatment for addicts but without any criminal charges. No doubt our SC would rule mandatory treatment is a Charter violation, so we won't see much change. We do jail dealers, but our justice system sentencing might be the problem. and Canadians don't like mandatory sentencing to act as a deterrent...Maybe it is Canadians that are the problem educate them firsthand about what drugs do to our country, our people, and our kids let them see just how dirty, that entire business is and how much it costs in lives and money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted June 20, 2022 Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Army Guy said: We do jail dealers, but our justice system sentencing might be the problem. and Canadians don't like mandatory sentencing to act as a deterrent...Maybe it is Canadians that are the problem educate them firsthand about what drugs do to our country, our people, and our kids let them see just how dirty, that entire business is and how much it costs in lives and money. Dealers laugh at our system. It takes police months if not years to make a case that Crown will take to court and more years before it even gets to court. Meanwhile that dealer is doing business as usual for around five years before he might have to suffer any consequences. If of course he doesn't get bumped off by another dealer before it gets to court. Edited June 20, 2022 by Aristides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted June 20, 2022 Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 35 minutes ago, Aristides said: Dealers laugh at our system. It takes police months if not years to make a case that Crown will take to court and more years before it even gets to court. Meanwhile that dealer is doing business as usual for around five years before he might have to suffer any consequences. If of course he doesn't get bumped off by another dealer before it gets to court. Everyone laughs at our system, and yet it is another topic we can't discuss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Army Guy said: Everyone laughs at our system, and yet it is another topic we can't discuss. I laugh at those who think the problem with the system is that the government doesn't crack down harder on something that shouldn't be illegal social conservatives deserve to take shit for that nonsense take Edited June 21, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 (edited) 20 hours ago, Army Guy said: We do jail dealers, but our justice system sentencing might be the problem. and Canadians don't like mandatory sentencing to act as a deterrent...Maybe it is Canadians that are the problem educate them firsthand about what drugs do to our country, our people, and our kids let them see just how dirty, that entire business is and how much it costs in lives and money. Hit the nail on the head squarely with that one. Since the legalization of Pot, I allow myself a pot in the yard every summer. Its good and its very much cheaper than the stores...although I have noticed the prices getting realistic in the stores of late. Anyway...one of my kids like to smoke as well. He prefers his vape thing...which makes me hack and choke like crazy...but did mention that he "could" make a few bucks, if he simply sold a bit of it. This shot right through me. I know what dogs drug dealers are, and I have no intention of allowing my spawn to associate with that element, if I can stop it. So...I told him he could not have anymore, but if he happened to have company over for a beer on the deck, he can help himself. "But NEVER let me catch you accepting money for a bud! EVER!" The lad ain' dopey so...as far as I know...he never has. There is a societal "cost" to this legalization. We must be rational enough to admit that. Pot heads don't start bar brawls...but they do become complacent and a tad lazy. Legalizing things like meth or opioids is...well its just bat-shit crazy. The results speak for themselves. What sort of warped mind could actually think allowing the open use of hard drugs, could actually be a benefit to society or culture. It's fucking corrosive as hell! Again...one must stand back in awe...of the sheer stupidity of the left. Edited June 21, 2022 by Nationalist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Again...one must stand back in awe...of the sheer stupidity of the left. I stand back in awe of the stupidity of the left on guns I stand back in awe of the stupidity of the right on drugs you are just using the left's idiotic anti-gun arguments against drugs and somehow don't see your own hypocrisy the same way the left uses the right's idiotic anti-drug arguments against guns and somehow can't see their own hypocrisy Edited June 21, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 20 hours ago, Army Guy said: Everyone laughs at our system, and yet it is another topic we can't discuss. Why not ? Aren't we doing that right here ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 16 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: I stand back in awe of the stupidity of the left on guns I stand back in awe of the stupidity of the right on drugs you are just using the left's idiotic anti-gun arguments against drugs and somehow don't see your own hypocrisy the same way the left uses the right's idiotic anti-drug arguments against guns and somehow can't see their own hypocrisy How so? My position on Guns is, enforce the laws on the books. Same with these hard drugs. We see what happens when a state changes the laws. Its not pretty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Nationalist said: How so? My position on Guns is, enforce the laws on the books. Same with these hard drugs. We see what happens when a state changes the laws. Its not pretty. the laws on the books suck changing the laws that suck is a good thing at least you are consistent in that you buy into the shitty anti-gun and anti-drug law arguments but that makes you twice as wrong Edited June 21, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Nationalist said: How so? My position on Guns is, enforce the laws on the books. Same with these hard drugs. We see what happens when a state changes the laws. Its not pretty. The laws on the books for illicit drugs are a prohibition. That simply doesn't work. Also note that the prohibition on handguns, we have here, have made them an illicit product in that can bring in a tidy profit for those willing to smuggle it in. Sound familiar? Edited June 21, 2022 by Boges 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 26 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: the laws on the books suck changing the laws that suck is a good thing at least you are consistent in that you buy into the shitty anti-gun and anti-drug law arguments but that makes you twice as wrong You will never be able to convince rational people that sticking Heroin in your arm, is a good thing.! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Nationalist said: You will never be able to convince rational people that sticking Heroin in your arm, is a good thing.! Lots of things aren't good. But should it land you in prison? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, Nationalist said: You will never be able to convince rational people that sticking Heroin in your arm, is a good thing.! that isn't the argument the argument is that the war on heroine makes that problem worse prohibition for the fail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Boges said: Lots of things aren't good. But should it land you in prison? Yes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Yes! Alcohol isn't good for you should you be put in prison for drinking it? Tobacco isn't good for you should you be put in prison for smoking it? Fast Food isn't good for you should you be put in prison for eating it? should the people who sell these things be put in prison for it? if yes, why? if no, why not? Edited June 21, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 34 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Yes! This mentality is why the US has the incarceration problem it has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 16 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: Alcohol isn't good for you should you be put in prison for drinking it? Tobacco isn't good for you should you be put in prison for smoking it? Fast Food isn't good for you should you be put in prison for eating it? should the people who sell these things be put in prison for it? if yes, why? if no, why not? Lol...you wanna be a crack head? Go ahead. Don't get caught though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 (edited) 16 hours ago, Boges said: This mentality is why the US has the incarceration problem it has. See post directly above. Enjoy. Edited June 22, 2022 by Nationalist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 32 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Lol...you wanna be a crack head? Go ahead. Don't get caught though. answer the questions and stop strawmanning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 18 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: answer the questions and stop strawmanning Go hug a gang banger. Gawd...why are so many people so fucking stupid? 'Jail doesn't work.' The Gascon school of stupidity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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