OftenWrong Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Army Guy said: look at weed, do you think the government weed stores have stopped any illegal weed on the streets? Not really, it is not, gangs are still making money selling weed lots of money... Plus, there is no question that legalization encourages many to try the substance, which would not have done so otherwise. The same may happen if they legalize narcotics. I doubt these methods will prove beneficial in the long run. More like, rampant addiction Not sure why this is discussed in a gun thread though. —— A gun is a tool, and much like other tools can be used to kill. The real question is, why is there an increasing compulsion in society to want to kill in most spectacular and shocking fashion. —— Toy guns is one thing but look-alike replicas, well, use at your own peril it seems. On the other hand we heard about a man shot in Toronto the day after the Texas shooting, and reports were that he was brandishing a pellet gun. Witnesses reported seeing a body covered in a tarp, and a pellet gun on the ground nearby that was too small looking to be real. Media has gone silent on this police shooting. I would expect officers to at least be trained to know the difference. Edited June 2, 2022 by OftenWrong off topic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 2, 2022 Report Share Posted June 2, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, eyeball said: No I think the real difference is that you want no controls whatsoever. Things, people, nothing. false I don't want obviously counterproductive controls and/or controls that violate people's fundamental rights but you do Edited June 2, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 2, 2022 Report Share Posted June 2, 2022 14 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Plus, there is no question that legalization encourages many to try the substance, which would not have done so otherwise. The same may happen if they legalize narcotics. I doubt these methods will prove beneficial in the long run. More like, rampant addiction their body their choice you're also wrong prohibition leads to more addicts not less see alcohol prohibition for a prime example Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted June 2, 2022 Report Share Posted June 2, 2022 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: their body their choice you're also wrong prohibition leads to more addicts not less see alcohol prohibition for a prime example Never said I condone prohibition either. I call em as I see em, based on my personal experience. Substance abuse is a problem no matter which way you deal with it. As is growing violence. A society seeing these trends needs to ask itself some harder questions. Not party on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 2, 2022 Report Share Posted June 2, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Never said I condone prohibition either. I call em as I see em, based on my personal experience. Substance abuse is a problem no matter which way you deal with it. As is growing violence. A society seeing these trends needs to ask itself some harder questions. Not party on... I suggest looking for solutions that don't involve more government in people's lives which will just make those problems worse most people's knee jerk reaction is for the government to get more involved in such problems and when that doesn't solve the problem, it's only because they weren't involved enough so double down on failure and keep exacerbating the issue Edited June 2, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted June 2, 2022 Report Share Posted June 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: I suggest looking for solutions that don't involve more government in people's lives which will just make those problems worse and most people's knee jerk reaction is for the government to get more involved in such problems Government should not be involved in solving our social ills. I agree with less governance, not more. A healthy society runs with only minimal government intervention. In that regard Canada is ill. Looking to the future it becomes increasingly clear things will continue to worsen, not improve. We have no future... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted June 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2022 9 hours ago, Dougie93 said: the street gangs are not the source of the drugs the drugs in Canada are ultimately supplied by the Chinese Triads & Latin American Cartels They hit the street through the gangs. Take out the gangs and continue to take them out and the drugs will die off and become really expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 2, 2022 Report Share Posted June 2, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Nationalist said: They hit the street through the gangs. Take out the gangs and continue to take them out and the drugs will die off and become really expensive. that doesn't work new gangs will replace the old whack a mole they can't even win the war on drugs in prisons what makes you think they can win it on the streets? wishful thinking is a helluva drug Edited June 2, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted June 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2022 10 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: that doesn't work new gangs will replace the old whack a mole they can't even win the war on drugs in prisons what makes you think they can win it on the streets? wishful thinking is a helluva drug What are you suggesting? Do nothing? "Oh we just can't do anything about the crime in our streets so, we'll just accept the crime and murder because...its too hard." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 2, 2022 Report Share Posted June 2, 2022 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Nationalist said: What are you suggesting? Do nothing? "Oh we just can't do anything about the crime in our streets so, we'll just accept the crime and murder because...its too hard." doing something is overrated if that something is counterproductive or doesn't address the issue the drug laws you want increase crime and empower gangs decriminalization of drugs decreases crime and takes away the drug monopoly from organized crime Edited June 2, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted June 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: doing something is overrated if that something is counterproductive or doesn't address the issue Overrated? Interesting. And...exactly how would you say actually enforcing the law would be counterproductive? Also...why are you trying to protect armed street thugs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 2, 2022 Report Share Posted June 2, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Overrated? Interesting. And...exactly how would you say actually enforcing the law would be counterproductive? Also...why are you trying to protect armed street thugs? you are trying to protect them you want them to keep their monopoly on drugs increasing their profits I want competition to cut into their profits prohibition empowers gangs the historical record is quite clear your strategy always backfires quite spectacularly Al Capone knows Edited June 2, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted June 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2022 8 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: you are trying to protect them you want them to keep their monopoly on drugs increasing their profits I want competition to cut into their profits prohibition empowers gangs the historical record is quite clear your strategy always backfires quite spectacularly Al Capone knows Al Capone...died in jail. Or...had you just overlooked that inconvenient little truth... What are you afraid of? We're not talking about prohibition. We're talking about guns in the hands of street thugs. I understand that now Pixie-Dust wants to legalize meth and fentynol. Now there's a grand idea. You Tweekies are incredible. All you do is roll over and hide...unless you can abuse the laws to perpetuate your insane ideas. Please do Canada a favour and go knit a fucking sweater, and leave the law in the hands of people with respect, honour and a spine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 2, 2022 Report Share Posted June 2, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Al Capone...died in jail. Or...had you just overlooked that inconvenient little truth... What are you afraid of? We're not talking about prohibition. We're talking about guns in the hands of street thugs. I understand that now Pixie-Dust wants to legalize meth and fentynol. Now there's a grand idea. You Tweekies are incredible. All you do is roll over and hide...unless you can abuse the laws to perpetuate your insane ideas. Please do Canada a favour and go knit a fucking sweater, and leave the law in the hands of people with respect, honour and a spine. you are making the problem worse as is Trudeau Trudeau with his gun restrictions you with your drug restrictions and Canada ends up with the worst of both worlds if you want to reduce crime take the law enforcement resources and manpower used to police drugs and guns and put them into policing actual crime that matters derp Edited June 2, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted June 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2022 9 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: you are making the problem worse as is Trudeau Trudeau with his gun restrictions you with your drug restrictions and Canada ends up with the worst of both worlds if you want to reduce crime take the law enforcement resources and manpower used to police drugs and guns and put them into policing actual crime that matters derp So...in your opinion...illegal guns and fentynol are NOT a problem? Interesting. So what IS a problem then? Truckers? Anti-vaxxers? Perhaps parking violations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 2, 2022 Report Share Posted June 2, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Nationalist said: So...in your opinion...illegal guns and fentynol are NOT a problem? Interesting. So what IS a problem then? Truckers? Anti-vaxxers? Perhaps parking violations? drugs and guns aren't a problem addiction and violent crime are a problem you want to take resources and manpower that could be used to address the latter to police the possession and distribution of inanimate objects and substances that's hella stupid Edited June 2, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Salyers Posted June 2, 2022 Report Share Posted June 2, 2022 On 5/31/2022 at 6:56 AM, Nationalist said: https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canadas-trudeau-announces-legislation-prevent-buying-selling-handguns-2022-05-30/ Pixie-Dust has officially flown the coup. Now he wants to ban handguns and TOYS that look like handguns. I wonder if he thinks this will actually reduce their use by the criminals who use them? Is he really this stupid? Even the CBC agrees this proposal wouldn't help as most handgun violence is done by people with illegal guns. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/fact-check-gun-violence-1.6166328 Just one more swing and a miss by the little girl in our PM's office. Yes hes that stupid just like joe biden except he seems to get away with it more. Im a American 64 years old and a active targe and general shooter . And I was a hunter at one time. How do you guys feel about him doing his ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted June 2, 2022 Report Share Posted June 2, 2022 3 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: doing something is overrated if that something is counterproductive or doesn't address the issue the drug laws you want increase crime and empower gangs decriminalization of drugs decreases crime and takes away the drug monopoly from organized crime Not really, look at a weed, it may have cut in with organized crime's bottom end, but they are still making twice the amount that the government makes. Perhaps if they undercut the price the gangs were charging they might have captured more clients. But it is more convenient to buy off the street than to find a government store in your area, which have major problems with keeping up supply, and quality. The government is just another gang in different colors, who wanted more revenue, but really sucks at the business level. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted June 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2022 4 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: drugs and guns aren't a problem addiction and violent crime are a problem you want to take resources and manpower that could be used to address the latter to police the possession and distribution of inanimate objects and substances that's hella stupid Addiction and violent crim are a result of drugs and illegal guns dopey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted June 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2022 4 hours ago, Robert Salyers said: Yes hes that stupid just like joe biden except he seems to get away with it more. Im a American 64 years old and a active targe and general shooter . And I was a hunter at one time. How do you guys feel about him doing his ? Feel? I feel embarrassed. The man is a moron. A virtue-signalling little twerp. Hence my nickname...Pixie-Dust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted June 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: Not really, look at a weed, it may have cut in with organized crime's bottom end, but they are still making twice the amount that the government makes. Perhaps if they undercut the price the gangs were charging they might have captured more clients. But it is more convenient to buy off the street than to find a government store in your area, which have major problems with keeping up supply, and quality. The government is just another gang in different colors, who wanted more revenue, but really sucks at the business level. Meh...I've been growing my own ever since we've been allowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 2, 2022 Report Share Posted June 2, 2022 18 hours ago, Nationalist said: They hit the street through the gangs. Take out the gangs and continue to take them out and the drugs will die off and become really expensive. unrealistic the government doesn't have the manpower nor resources there aren't enough cops there aren't enough prosecutors there aren't enough courts there aren't enough jail cells the justice system is completely log jammed as it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 2, 2022 Report Share Posted June 2, 2022 the problem at the strategic level is Canadians themselves Canadians are enthralled by government Canadians view the government as being like the Wizard of Oz as if the government simply has to pull some magic levers to make things happen this results in the governments in Canada trying to be all things to all people but the net result is that the government doesn't do anything well the resources are spread so thin, that every government agency is starved of resources Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 2, 2022 Report Share Posted June 2, 2022 20 hours ago, Nationalist said: the drugs will die off and become really expensive. you don't seem to have thought this part through logically the people buying the drugs are junkies they are addicted to the drugs so if you make the drugs more expensive the junkies will simply have to commit more crimes to get the money to feed their addiction making the drugs more expensive also makes them that much more valuable to the gangsters so the gangsters will escalate the levels of violence in order to control their territory your simplistic "War on Drugs" solution is simply going to increase the levels of violent crime as a result Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 3, 2022 Report Share Posted June 3, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, Army Guy said: Not really, look at a weed, it may have cut in with organized crime's bottom end, but they are still making twice the amount that the government makes. Perhaps if they undercut the price the gangs were charging they might have captured more clients. But it is more convenient to buy off the street than to find a government store in your area, which have major problems with keeping up supply, and quality. The government is just another gang in different colors, who wanted more revenue, but really sucks at the business level. they've still lost market share it's better than when it was illegal that's why the government should be less restrictive of private business if they allow more competition that will cut into organized crimes share even more, not less Edited June 3, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.