I’ve never seen so many vagrants on the street

[RedDog]

When did this become a “thing”? One day they weren’t there and the next day they were with tents, carts and in your face.

They are sleeping in bus shelters and stations. They need a light. They need change.

what is the solution?

[Moonlight Graham]

2 hours ago, RedDog said:

When did this become a “thing”? One day they weren’t there and the next day they were with tents, carts and in your face.

They are sleeping in bus shelters and stations. They need a light. They need change.

what is the solution?

Housing costs people can afford?

[eyeball]

On 5/30/2022 at 1:20 PM, RedDog said:

When did this become a “thing”? One day they weren’t there and the next day they were with tents, carts and in your face.

Were you just thawed out of a time capsule or something?

We have a small fleet of derelict liveaboard boats tied up to our little neighbourhood dock. They got kicked out of town and moved over to our side of the bay.  There's been a fleet of crack-boats anchored up in a nearby bay for years now. 

It's getting a little retarded.  The marine aspect of homelessness presents a real dilemma for authorities. Just picking up anchor and dropping it 100 meters away is enough to escape someone breathing down your neck.  Waiting for these boats to rot out from under their inhabitants is wearing thin and I suspect there's going to be some guerrilla enforcement.

That all said we just had an Airbnb boatel drop anchor nearby and they're using the dock to pick up and drop off guests. I've only known a very small handful of hopeless dreamers who've bought a junky old boat and made something of  it so I have to give it to this guy. He'll probably make a fortune. I suppose the next big wave of complaints against Airbnb is that they're driving up the cost of old junky boats.

 

Edited June 1, 2022 by eyeball

[RedDog]

On 5/30/2022 at 4:22 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

Housing costs people can afford?

I don’t see it that way. We’re talking drug addicts/alcoholics and mentally ill.

They sleep in doorways, bus shelters and public bathrooms - which lead to closures to public need.

When given a “place” (at public expense) it’s destroyed.

Bring back vagrancy laws. Abolishing such didn’t work but they don’t acknowledge it. They work perfectly in Brevard Co., Florida.

[ExFlyer]

2 hours ago, RedDog said:

I don’t see it that way. We’re talking drug addicts/alcoholics and mentally ill.

They sleep in doorways, bus shelters and public bathrooms - which lead to closures to public need.

When given a “place” (at public expense) it’s destroyed.

Bring back vagrancy laws. Abolishing such didn’t work but they don’t acknowledge it. They work perfectly in Brevard Co., Florida.

Summertime. weather is nice, more on the street. Happens when weather is nicer.

Vagrancy laws never went away, just not politically correct to enforce it.

[DogOnPorch]

Rationalization. In my small city there's over 1000 "homeless" crapping all over the place. Dodge the turd. It wasn't ALWAYS like this as Trudeau's minions suggest.

[Dougie93]

4 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

Rationalization. In my small city there's over 1000 "homeless" crapping all over the place. Dodge the turd. It wasn't ALWAYS like this as Trudeau's minions suggest.

I live in an upper middle class subdivision

we own the million dollar homes

I sleep in a king sized bed with my wife, on Egyptian cotton sheets

central air conditioning so chilled I need a comforter in the heat of summer

I watch the sun rise & set from my deck

at the night the moon shines silvery light over my big yard filled with trees & the valley beyond

when I see a man down on his luck, sleeping in the streets

as a Christian, it haunts me

because as a soldier I slept in the bush for many years, with just a poncho & bug net

so I know what it's like

it's a young mans game, a hard routine

as an old man now,  I can feel their pain more than most

 

[Dougie93]

at the same time

the desperate homeless come to break into my neighbours cars

and I am the neighbourhood watch

so I descend upon them, fiercely

my neighbours come first

no quarter for thieves

it's never more than that, just petty theft from the cars

but my neighbours look to me for protection

on the one hand I can empathize with people whose lives have been destroyed

on the other hand, I'm not going to tolerate criminal activity in my neighbourhood

so it's a quandary

Edited August 12, 2022 by Dougie93

[myata]

Just on the radio, postgrads and PhD students protesting on the Hill. Some time ago I considered applying, the offer was around 30K. Today, quoting, 19K postgrads, 20 something PhD. Chose industry instead, about a double starting. Today, barely budged. Ontario disability allowance just went up by $50 to a gross total of 1,100. On the other, happier end, MP salary more than doubled. This happy beaver tale story is heading somewhere, don't you think / see so? Right or left, the question. Or maybe south, America?

 

Edited August 12, 2022 by myata

[ExFlyer]

4 hours ago, myata said:

Just on the radio, postgrads and PhD students protesting on the Hill. Some time ago I considered applying, the offer was around 30K. Today, quoting, 19K postgrads, 20 something PhD. Chose industry instead, about a double starting. Today, barely budged. Ontario disability allowance just went up by $50 to a gross total of 1,100. On the other, happier end, MP salary more than doubled. This happy beaver tale story is heading somewhere, don't you think / see so? Right or left, the question. Or maybe south, America?

 

BS

" Over the last 10 years, the prime minister’s annual salary has increased by $54,560, ministers are receiving $40,094 more and backbench MPs are receiving $27,280 more"

https://www.taxpayer.com/newsroom/members-of-parliament-paid-thousands-more-but-sitting-less

[myata]

UK MP salary: $130,000 (equivalent). Canadian MPs: probably (guessing) among the highest paid public (quasi) representatives anywhere in the developed world. Can you find higher? Why? Don't ask.. lalala.. always sunny!

P.S. and they wouldn't even know that something doesn't look right. How would they?

Edited August 12, 2022 by myata

[ExFlyer]

46 minutes ago, myata said:

UK MP salary: $130,000 (equivalent). Canadian MPs: probably (guessing) among the highest paid public (quasi) representatives anywhere in the developed world. Can you find higher? Why? Don't ask.. lalala.. always sunny!

P.S. and they wouldn't even know that something doesn't look right. How would they?

Easy to find. https://lop.parl.ca/sites/ParlInfo/default/en_CA/People/Salaries

 

Easy to criticize until you know what the job entails and what have to do on the job.

[myata]

30 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

until you know what the job entails

Much more than anywhere in developed world, it "entails" just in case? For rubberstamping great leader's preachings, mouth firmly zipped? Yeah right plausible. Either that or just: nobody's looking (and cares). Pick one.

[I am Groot]

On 5/30/2022 at 4:20 PM, RedDog said:

When did this become a “thing”? One day they weren’t there and the next day they were with tents, carts and in your face.

They are sleeping in bus shelters and stations. They need a light. They need change.

what is the solution?

Rehab, prison, mental institutions.

 

[I am Groot]

On 8/11/2022 at 4:01 PM, DogOnPorch said:

Rationalization. In my small city there's over 1000 "homeless" crapping all over the place. Dodge the turd. It wasn't ALWAYS like this as Trudeau's minions suggest.

There used to be laws against it. Still are. But they're no longer enforced. 

That's why.

[ExFlyer]

11 hours ago, myata said:

Much more than anywhere in developed world, it "entails" just in case? For rubberstamping great leader's preachings, mouth firmly zipped? Yeah right plausible. Either that or just: nobody's looking (and cares). Pick one.

 Much more travel and distances and diverse communities and regions in Canada for sure.

"Rubberstamping" ,as you call it, is the same as in any other party orientated democratic country in the world. Yours is a red herring remark.

Feeble attempt at, well,..... not even sure what you are trying to convey.

[myata]

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Feeble attempt at

Or strong and persistent attempt at not looking and not seeing the obvious. Hinges of course on the assertion that a happy mindless ride can go on indefinitely. Let's see. Maybe there will be an evolutionary exception like that million year crab... can't bet though loooong shot.

[myata]

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

in any other

Don't even dream of "any other" everybody knows which happy democracy to ship their dirty stuff to because nobody cares to know or even notice. Whats' with that "inquiry" wait which one? MP salary almost ten times (10!) of a PhD student do find one other civilized and developed country. Something is going south... too busy to care and notice.

Edited August 13, 2022 by myata

[ExFlyer]

22 minutes ago, myata said:

Don't even dream of "any other" everybody knows which happy democracy to ship their dirty stuff to because nobody cares to know or even notice. Whats' with that "inquiry" wait which one? MP salary almost ten times (10!) of a PhD student do find one other civilized and developed country. Something is going south... too busy to care and notice.

A doctor of philosophy?? Woop dee doo. And a student at that. What does that get you besides a counter job at McDonalds LOL

[ExFlyer]

27 minutes ago, myata said:

Or strong and persistent attempt at not looking and not seeing the obvious. Hinges of course on the assertion that a happy mindless ride can go on indefinitely. Let's see. Maybe there will be an evolutionary exception like that million year crab... can't bet though loooong shot.

WTF???

What planet are you on today?? LOL

[RedDog]

13 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Rehab, prison, mental institutions.

 

I suggest we’re down to the last two.

[DogOnPorch]

8 minutes ago, RedDog said:

I suggest we’re down to the last two.

 

I'd suggest you're correct as the situation in my city is in the danger zone. What is it going to take? A typhus outbreak?

[blackbird]

On 5/30/2022 at 1:20 PM, RedDog said:

When did this become a “thing”? One day they weren’t there and the next day they were with tents, carts and in your face.

They are sleeping in bus shelters and stations. They need a light. They need change.

what is the solution?

The large number of vagrants on the street is the result of Socialist government policies.  Socialist bureaucracy created this mess first by closing mental institutions because nobody with mental illness can be put in an institution without their consent.   Secondly Socialist policies resulted in a shortage of millions of homes and apartments and massive government regulations and red tape to build anything.      Thirdly  liberal judges do not generally put people in prison for many crimes in Canada and it is a revolving door.  There are countless people on the street who committed crimes repeated but were never put behind bars.  So they continue their crime and live on the street, many taking drugs.

Socialist politicians say all they need is mental health treatment.  Crime is not crime any more; it is all just mental problems.  That is the NDP bedrock policy.

[RedDog]

At my elderly mother’s winter place in Cocoa Beach, the empty bottles and cans are openly in drums on the property. It’s deposit money for the social club bbq’s, etc. I was astonished by this. At my building in Edmonton they’re indoors and locked - $300./month to the social club.

I observed vagrants in orange and locked in chain gangs picking up litter on the causeway. They get a bed, a roof and three meals a day.

Nobody steals bottles and cans on private property on the space coast.

 

[myata]

Social support system is close to dysfunctional: can you live on $1,100 in Ontario, housing included?

Healthcare in a permanent crisis; also social housing, mental health facilities etc so on.

Correctional system is not the right place to deal with many mental / social issues.

If you don't have a good well paying stable job in this country you can be in trouble on a dime. There's no space left for decent living on a low to medium income only survival.

Now, who has it, a well paying stable job to take the first mortgage in a mega million housing market? Make your choice a) MP b) some PS c) some high tech.

Now we see some early signals. Imagine at some point a budget crunch with PS budgets cut, massive layoffs. This would leave pretty much only MPs in the happy zone. Sure we will see more and more of it.