War In Ukraine

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

your pro-Putin proclivities are clear as day

and you are so emotionally invested in that position

that you cannot analyze the situation accurately

Putin must be a secret genius because people you don't like say he made a bone headed decision

the depth of your thinking, is to hold the opposite view of the media you don't like

and assume anyone who does so, is the smart media you should listen to

pure reactionary bullshit

you don't analyze the message, just the messengers, and then pick sides in a lame false binary

 

if the MSM came around to your view of things, you would then change your position to oppose them

they literally get to choose your opinion for you, knowing you will take up the opposite side, to virtue signal your opposition to them

right wing identity politics is still identity politics

and siding with Russia just because the Democrats don't like them is stupid af

CORRECTION: I have a proclivity for the truth and the truth is they're all dopes who created this mess on their own. I "side" with none of them. But you already knew that and decided to accuse me of shit you've made up.

How very...Tweenkie of you.

[-TSS-]

I think it's an interesting observation that in our countries which share a border with Russia, including Finland, Russia is our eternal enemy. Therefore also in the nationalist circles, and especially in the nationalist circles, the thinking applies that the enemy of our enemy is our friend.

However, the further away you go from Russia the thinking changes. To some people Russia represents something of a counterweight to western decadence of all this lgtb-propaganda and diversity which has been foisted on us.

Especially in the USA and the UK the alt-right people are absolutely not at all supporting Ukraine. They are impartial at best, pro-Russia at worst.

[taxme]

2 hours ago, -TSS- said:

I think it's an interesting observation that in our countries which share a border with Russia, including Finland, Russia is our eternal enemy. Therefore also in the nationalist circles, and especially in the nationalist circles, the thinking applies that the enemy of our enemy is our friend.

However, the further away you go from Russia the thinking changes. To some people Russia represents something of a counterweight to western decadence of all this lgtb-propaganda and diversity which has been foisted on us.

Especially in the USA and the UK the alt-right people are absolutely not at all supporting Ukraine. They are impartial at best, pro-Russia at worst.

Indeed, Russia is anti homosexuality, anti transgender, pro straight family, pro white, and less multiculturalism and diversity. If the west were more like Russia is today, we would be a better country for it. It is the gay lifestyle, transism, anti white and straight family Marxist programs and agendas, and way way too much promotion of multiculturalism and diversity and where non-whites need not apply for a job in their own white homeland. 

Our enemy is not Russia. It is communist China, and the west appears to be pro communist China, which murders Ugyers and enslaves it's own citizen's. I will take Russia anytime over communist China. ? 

[taxme]

On 4/17/2022 at 2:03 PM, BeaverFever said:

“If you only listen to media that Putin controls, then you’ll know Putin is a genius and everything is going swell for Russia!  Putin is a genius, says Putin”

LMAO Putin  is banning news outlets and jailing journalists left and right, literally passing laws forbidding them from reporting anything that contradicts his official narratives and you’re complaining about OUR censorship of his proposal outlets. 
 

In other news, the 8th Russian general was killed in Ukraine today. If you include their most senior colonels the death toll is 14.   Total Russian casualties are in well beyond 10,000 and estimated to be nearing 20,000. Hundreds of tanks vehicles and aircraft lost. Its Black Sea flagship and one of its largest transport ships sunk.  All at the hands of a mostly rag-tag Ukrainian army of most of whom were civilians with zero military experience only 5-6 weeks ago.  
 

No matter what happens this is a major loss for Russia there’s no way they can claim victory even if they manage to snatch away Donbas and Crimea. The economic sanctions against Russia are going to last at least a decade and will only further weaken them politically and financially and prevent them from rebuilding their  depleted and incompetent military. Any bailouts Russia gets from China will be to Russia’s disadvantage and China’s gain, China is not known for selfless charity. Meanwhile Russia has caused the small poorly equipped “skeleton crew” of the pre-invasion Ukrainian military to grown exponentially into a lethal fighting force that will continue to arm and train and evolve with NATO partners, and Ukraine further integrate with EU economies even if it doesn’t officially join either club.  Sweden and Finland will do the same and may outright join NATO altogether.   The NATO countries are rearming and shoring up a common political and economic front against Russia. 

You appear too only listen to the corporate globalist western owned MSM. If the west was so free, and the media so open, then why was RT.com banned and removed from the North American airwaves, and why is the west trying to destroy so many journalists lives and jobs in the west because they dare to contradict and did not tow the western anti-Russian narrative? I would agree that Putin is a genius and he knows what the hell he is doing. What i am complaining about is why can't we be allowed to get the other side of the story that at least RT.com was able and trying to do? 

You nor I have no real idea as to how many Russian Generals and soldiers have died in this feud between Russia and the Ukraine. Generals and colonels don't normally die in wars. Those numbers you quoted are bullshit.

What? Our own generals and colonels in the west never go out on the battlefield. Why would Russian generals and colonels do the same? Those are reports being told by the western media. Ha-ha-ha. Only fools and idiots listen to the western media anymore. My opinion of course. 

Of course ships will be sunk, and military equipment will be destroyed, so no big deal here. It happens in every war. The Ukranian military has lost plenty of military equipment also. So, just what the hell is your point here? 

Every war and every side has it's many casualty's and losses. The only ones that can claim victory are the ones that sat back in some military or political office somewhere and ran the war from there. It's the soldiers and civilians that pay the price in any war. I think that it would be great if only the upper elite in any military, like generals and colonels, were sent off to fight each other in battle, there probably would be no war started at all. It's all fkn politics.  

Putin could careless about western sanctions. But you should worry about them because it will be you that will do the suffering also. Nobody wins sanctioning someone else. The morons who push for sanctions are the elite globalists and their stupid puppet on a string politicians, and they never worry about sanctions. If they did they would not implement them in the first place. ?

[-TSS-]

48 minutes ago, taxme said:

Indeed, Russia is anti homosexuality, anti transgender, pro straight family, pro white, and less multiculturalism and diversity. If the west were more like Russia is today, we would be a better country for it. It is the gay lifestyle, transism, anti white and straight family Marxist programs and agendas, and way way too much promotion of multiculturalism and diversity and where non-whites need not apply for a job in their own white homeland. 

Our enemy is not Russia. It is communist China, and the west appears to be pro communist China, which murders Ugyers and enslaves it's own citizen's. I will take Russia anytime over communist China. ? 

Like I said, as Russia is not your neighbour you have a different view of that country. There's Alaska in between you being neighbours with Russia.

We who have Russia as our neighbour don't trust Russia at all about anything.

Edited April 18, 2022 by -TSS-

[taxme]

23 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

there is no reason to believe Russia is winning

you let the MSM control your opinion

your opinion is merely the opposite of theirs, regardless of the situation, no other thinking required

if you hear the MSM say drinking water is good for you, are you going to stop drinking water?

if the media claims you need to breathe oxygen to survive, are you going to start holding your breath to spite them?

being a reactionary means you concede the initiative to your adversary

if they want you to hold a stupid position to undermine your cause

all they have to do is take up the opposite position of that

and you'll fall for the bait out of pure instinct

to virtue signal how much you oppose them

this is why being a reactionary is stupid

There is no reason to believe that Russia is losing either. 

You are the one that appears to allow the western MSM to control your opinions and thoughts. Not me. 

Of course I am not going to stop drinking or breathing just because the media tells me to do it in order to survive. Those are just common sense things that no one will stop doing if they want to survive and stay alive. What a couple of stupid leftist liberal questions to ask me, lefty boy. 

I believe that you are the one that keeps falling for the lies and hoax baits that the western MSM feeds you every day. You appear to be doing all of that yourself. 

Being a reactionary is not being stupid. We all react too many things that are said and done. You are also being reactionary yourself because you will believe everything the western MSM tells you. 

As I have said already to others here? You know as much about this feud between Russia and Ukraine as I do. So, stop trying to be such a reactionary like person to something you pretty much know nothing about. ?

 

[taxme]

11 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

Like I said, as Russia is not your neighbour you have a different view of that country. There's Alaska in between you being neighbours with Russia.

We who have Russia as our neighbour don't trust Russia at all about anything.

I do not believe that Finland has anything to worry about when it comes to Russia. If you believe you have cause for concern about Russia then what are those concerns that you have about Russia? The only concern that I see here for Putin is that if Finland decides to join NATO then I can see Putin getting a little upset over that happening. 

The only reason that Putin went into the Ukraine was to protect the Russian speaking citizen's of Donetsk and Luhansk in eastern Ukraine that were under some kind of assault by fascist Zelensky. Putin does not want to attack Finland at all from my observations here. Just saying. 

[-TSS-]

8 minutes ago, taxme said:

I do not believe that Finland has anything to worry about when it comes to Russia. If you believe you have cause for concern about Russia then what are those concerns that you have about Russia? The only concern that I see here for Putin is that if Finland decides to join NATO then I can see Putin getting a little upset over that happening. 

The only reason that Putin went into the Ukraine was to protect the Russian speaking citizen's of Donetsk and Luhansk in eastern Ukraine that were under some kind of assault by fascist Zelensky. Putin does not want to attack Finland at all from my observations here. Just saying. 

I don't think so either. But it is quite astonishing how many people here in Finland seriously believe that Russia is going to attack very soon.

I'm more concerned about the coming very high increases in prices of food, energy and petrol. Or gas as you call petrol over there in your country.

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, taxme said:

Indeed, Russia is anti homosexuality, anti transgender, pro straight family, pro white, and less multiculturalism and diversity. If the west were more like Russia is today, we would be a better country for it. It is the gay lifestyle, transism, anti white and straight family Marxist programs and agendas, and way way too much promotion of multiculturalism and diversity and where non-whites need not apply for a job in their own white homeland. 

Our enemy is not Russia. It is communist China, and the west appears to be pro communist China, which murders Ugyers and enslaves it's own citizen's. I will take Russia anytime over communist China. ? 

But…,China is supporting Russia ….

 

BTW LikePutin, Hitler was also anti- homosexuality,anti transgender, pro straight family, pro white, and less multiculturalism and diversity. Glad to see a Trumptard finally admit they’re  a racist who prefers right wing fascist dictatorship just to ‘Pwn’ the libs.

Like we’ve been saying all along. 

Edited April 18, 2022 by BeaverFever

[taxme]

7 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

I don't think so either. But it is quite astonishing how many people here in Finland seriously believe that Russia is going to attack very soon.

I'm more concerned about the coming very high increases in prices of food, energy and petrol. Or gas as you call petrol over there in your country.

If America had of minded it's own business in the Ukraine there probably would be no problems at all. But apparently they had to butt their noses into the feud because of the BiDumb crime family, as they are now called and known for today,and they may have a lot of concerns if Russia wins it's feud with Ukraine. The BiDumb crime family could be exposed to lot of hanky-panky that they have been involved with in Ukraine or so the rumor goes. Hey, we never know, eh? ?  

[BeaverFever]

So in according to your zero-knowledge, in 2004 when Russia poisoned Ukraines pro-Europe presidential candidate and in 2010 when it rigged Ukrainian elections to impose a brutal pro-Russian president who opened fire on his own unarmed citizens and his critics and journalists were jailed on false charges, murdered or beat up, that was what?  
 

Saying American should have minded its own business in Ukraine and let your buddy Putin do whatever he wants is just like when Republicans said Americans  should mind its own business in WW and let their buddy Hitler do whatever he wants. 

[taxme]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

But…,China is supporting Russia ….

 

BTW LikePutin, Hitler was also anti- homosexuality,anti transgender, pro straight family, pro white, and less multiculturalism and diversity. Glad to see a Trumptard finally admit they’re  a racist who prefers right wing fascist dictatorship just to ‘Pwn’ the libs.

Like we’ve been saying all along. 

Communist China is butt kissing Russia and America. While the two fight among one another, communist China tries to slide up the middle. Never trust a commie. They will lie straight into your face and think nothing of it. ?

So, you are all in favor of all of those same things that Putin and Hitler despised, eh libtard? 

Where or how am I being a right wing racist here, libtard? Talk about dictators, your Marxist hero Turdeau is not exactly a Marxist lover of rights and freedoms. Like I have been saying along. ?

Edited April 18, 2022 by taxme

[taxme]

41 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

So in according to your zero-knowledge, in 2004 when Russia poisoned Ukraines pro-Europe presidential candidate and in 2010 when it rigged Ukrainian elections to impose a brutal pro-Russian president who opened fire on his own unarmed citizens and his critics and journalists were jailed on false charges, murdered or beat up, that was what?  
 

Saying American should have minded its own business in Ukraine and let your buddy Putin do whatever he wants is just like when Republicans said Americans  should mind its own business in WW and let their buddy Hitler do whatever he wants. 

I know that you are all in for Zelensky and BiDumb crooks. We have no idea as to what Zelensky or BiDumb have been involved in but they both have been involved in and with criminality in Ukraine. But we will never really know because the lying MSM will never expose any criminality on their part. They both have become the darlings of the lying and pro fascist MSM. ?

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

I know that you are all in for Zelensky and BiDumb crooks. We have no idea as to what Zelensky or BiDumb have been involved in but they both have been involved in and with criminality in Ukraine. But we will never really know because the lying MSM will never expose any criminality on their part. They both have become the darlings of the lying and pro fascist MSM. ?

You clearly don’t even know what the word fascist means. You just think it means anything you don’t like. 
 

Go ahead spout off whatever crazy shit you like and then scream MSM CONSPIRACY to justify any crazy shit you want to say.

Funny how more than half the conservative right wing media is in on the MSM conspiracy just this one time though isn’t it?  Just this one time they’re also condemning Putin and conspiring with Biden even though they still support Trump and believe the BIG LIE election bullshit but also they’re conspiring with Biden. That’s fucking crazy talk. 

Meanwhile the mystery of what Putin’s done with his Minister of Defence deepens, the man hasn’t been seen for weeks since Russias military failures became undeniable. And footage of him supposedly attending recent events and meetings on Russian news media turned out to be fake, with old footage of him being spliced in to current footage. It’s alleged he and his buddies plundered a $10Bn Ukraine invasion fund that Putin had been stockpiling in recent years and that’s partially to blame for Russian equipment woes. But even if that part is not true clearly they are responsible for the very poorly planned  invasion.  If he’s alive he’s probably in a siberian gulag somewhere. But given that his daughter just tweeted a loving tribute to him that reads more like a eulogy than anything else, his family doesn’t know what Putin’s done with him either. 

[athos]

 

Peacemakers support Ukraine

 

[Yzermandius19]

12 hours ago, Nationalist said:

CORRECTION: I have a proclivity for the truth and the truth is they're all dopes who created this mess on their own. I "side" with none of them. But you already knew that and decided to accuse me of shit you've made up.

How very...Tweenkie of you.

nonsense

obvious Putin Stan is obvious

those interested in the truth

don't constantly act like clear Russian propaganda is somehow just objective analysis

[Yzermandius19]

4 hours ago, taxme said:

There is no reason to believe that Russia is losing either. 

You are the one that appears to allow the western MSM to control your opinions and thoughts. Not me. 

Of course I am not going to stop drinking or breathing just because the media tells me to do it in order to survive. Those are just common sense things that no one will stop doing if they want to survive and stay alive. What a couple of stupid leftist liberal questions to ask me, lefty boy. 

I believe that you are the one that keeps falling for the lies and hoax baits that the western MSM feeds you every day. You appear to be doing all of that yourself. 

Being a reactionary is not being stupid. We all react too many things that are said and done. You are also being reactionary yourself because you will believe everything the western MSM tells you. 

As I have said already to others here? You know as much about this feud between Russia and Ukraine as I do. So, stop trying to be such a reactionary like person to something you pretty much know nothing about. ?

 

there is plenty of reason to believe Russia is losing

their military performance is flat out abysmal

you are the reactionary

to the media

you believe the opposite of everything they say

which leads you to believe nonsense like Putin's move here is genius

[athos]

27 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

nonsense

obvious Putin Stan is obvious

those interested in the truth

don't constantly act like clear Russian propaganda is somehow just objective analysis

Brainwashing from left to right.

[Yzermandius19]

11 minutes ago, athos said:

Brainwashing from left to right.

Putin Idiots are even more brainwashed than either

plenty of those who side with Ukraine were against the totalitarian covid nonsense

trying to make this some fake identity politics paradigm is stupid

siding with Putin is not the anti-totalitarian position, just the opposite

Edited April 19, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[athos]

As for demilitarization, Ukraine is devastated to the point that it depends on NATO military aid. So heavy equipment, air defense, aviation, military industry, but also large weapons depots are almost non-existent.

 

[Yzermandius19]

37 minutes ago, athos said:

As for demilitarization, Ukraine is devastated to the point that it depends on NATO military aid. So heavy equipment, air defense, aviation, military industry, but also large weapons depots are almost non-existent.

 

and Putin has ensured that the West will arm Ukraine in perpetuity

nice own goal Russia

 

that's some mighty fine demilitarization you are doing there

making Ukraine far more militarily potent than they were in 2014

lulz

Edited April 19, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Nationalist]

7 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

nonsense

obvious Putin Stan is obvious

those interested in the truth

don't constantly act like clear Russian propaganda is somehow just objective analysis

Well you go on with your mission to promote a 1-sided single dimensional outlook. That'll garner you kudos from the other planks. And after all, that is your goal...right?

[Yzermandius19]

7 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Well you go on with your mission to promote a 1-sided single dimensional outlook. That'll garner you kudos from the other planks. And after all, that is your goal...right?

you have the one dimensional outlook

you are promoting it to garner you kudos from the other planks

projection is a helluva drug

you are engaging in identity politics from the right

fronting like that is somehow deeper than engaging in identity politics from the left

when it's just as shallow

Edited April 19, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Nationalist]

11 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

you have the one dimensional outlook

you are promoting it to garner you kudos from the other planks

projection is a helluva drug

you are engaging in identity politics from the right

fronting like that is somehow deeper than engaging in identity politics from the left

when it's just as shallow

Yes well...you go ahead and convince yourself of that. As for myself...I'll continue to gather ALL the information and take an educated position. 

[Yzermandius19]

7 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Yes well...you go ahead and convince yourself of that. As for myself...I'll continue to gather ALL the information and take an educated position. 

except you don't do that

as you are only aware of one side of the equation

and any time anyone tries to fill you in on the gaps in your knowledge

you accuse them of supporting all the lefty NPC causes

to dismiss them without thinking so your right wing identity politics bubble doesn't burst

Edited April 19, 2022 by Yzermandius19