Yzermandius19 Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 8 minutes ago, eyeball said: And yet we're still under siege. both are doing just fine this ain't final fantasy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 50 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: both are doing just fine Yeah well we seem a little shaky on our feet these days and the ol' planets starting to show some pretty good wear and tear in places too. Quote this ain't final fantasy No it's more like dystopia rising. Pestilence, war, famine next I suspect between supply issues, inflation...and if you thought the COVID experts got a few things wrong the climate experts seem pretty worried they've badly underestimated the speed at which things are changing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, eyeball said: Yeah well we seem a little shaky on our feet these days and the ol' planets starting to show some pretty good wear and tear in places too. No it's more like dystopia rising. Pestilence, war, famine next I suspect between supply issues, inflation...and if you thought the COVID experts got a few things wrong the climate experts seem pretty worried they've badly underestimated the speed at which things are changing. the climate experts are even less accurate than the covid experts both overestimate the problem and recommend the dumbest ways to address them kill the economy and more government control is all they got which makes them pretty shitty "experts" and more like lefty scammers using appeals to authority to push those scams Edited March 22, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 41 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: the climate experts are even less accurate than the covid experts both overestimate the problem and recommend the dumbest ways to address them Let's hope this is especially true of all the experts who've said nuclear war will be the end of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, eyeball said: Let's hope this is especially true of all the experts who've said nuclear war will be the end of us. that is also the case nuclear war will not be armageddon it won't be Cormac McCarthy's The Road the doomsday "experts" are almost always full of shit they use the claim of a coming doomsday if the people don't do as they demand to sell things that would never sell otherwise telltale sign of some of the most obvious scams going Edited March 22, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 13 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: that is also the case nuclear war will not be armageddon ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 (edited) Conventional Kool-aid served up by the experts tells us how formidable and awesome the mighty Russian military is. All our lives we've been frightened into not fighting a war against Russia and instead have picked much lesser foes. Whatever Canada buys we should really think hard about what we need in light of the evidence that just about anyone could probably eat Russia's lunch in a conventional conflict and hand them the bill. So Yzermandius19 does raise a fair point I suppose, what do the military experts know about their own business? No more and probably less than COVID and climate change experts apparently. So why shouldn't we believe the experts in mutual assured destruction aren't as far out to lunch? If there's no consensus on the dangers of thermonuclear war why should we be putting up with Putin's nonsense? Chances are pretty good his nuclear forces are as shabby as his conventional forces. I imagine they cost a lot to maintain and are as likely broken down and useless. I find it passing strange that the biggest boosters of military fear in the face of Russia around this forum for the last 20 years are AWOL during a major war involving Russia. How much bandwidth has been used to put up military porn displaying the prowess of Russian military machines and missiles destroying tanks, bunkers, ships, and such? It's true there's been porn from 'our' side too but usually its just mudhuts and wedding parties and such being blown to bits. Edited March 22, 2022 by eyeball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 43 minutes ago, eyeball said: So Yzermandius19 does raise a fair point I suppose, what do the military experts know about their own business? . what I know, is not to think of it like a video game because it all comes down to men of quality, the quality of your chain of command all war is a contest of human will it's about moral, intellectual & organizational superiority with the financial means, to wit the logistics to support that in the field the purpose is to impose a political result at the strategic level tactical proficiency, supporting the operational art, which then achieves decision on the ground, or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted March 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 4 hours ago, eyeball said: Conventional Kool-aid served up by the experts tells us how formidable and awesome the mighty Russian military is. All our lives we've been frightened into not fighting a war against Russia and instead have picked much lesser foes. Whatever Canada buys we should really think hard about what we need in light of the evidence that just about anyone could probably eat Russia's lunch in a conventional conflict and hand them the bill. So Yzermandius19 does raise a fair point I suppose, what do the military experts know about their own business? No more and probably less than COVID and climate change experts apparently. So why shouldn't we believe the experts in mutual assured destruction aren't as far out to lunch? If there's no consensus on the dangers of thermonuclear war why should we be putting up with Putin's nonsense? Chances are pretty good his nuclear forces are as shabby as his conventional forces. I imagine they cost a lot to maintain and are as likely broken down and useless. I find it passing strange that the biggest boosters of military fear in the face of Russia around this forum for the last 20 years are AWOL during a major war involving Russia. How much bandwidth has been used to put up military porn displaying the prowess of Russian military machines and missiles destroying tanks, bunkers, ships, and such? It's true there's been porn from 'our' side too but usually its just mudhuts and wedding parties and such being blown to bits. Russian are not done yet, they have sent in only 200 k of its 900 K military, and they have not sent in there all of their best equipment or troops either...don't count them out yet...Putin needs this win, so count on him upping the game be it chemical or bio wpns, or sending in their latest equipment... Nukes are nukes they don't have to be good to wipe out entire nations, or most of the worlds population...well unless you like living under ground for 300 years...throw the dice see if your numbers coming up...maybe you'll be lucky and survive a couple weeks... We could just stick our heads back up our asses like we have done in the last 30 years, and maybe the next conflict we can send flowers, and cards for support , thats all we will have left.... Purchasing the latest in military hardware saves lives, Canadian lives....I know not very important now, or who cares until that is your son or daughter suiting up to defend these country, then it will get personal, get even more personal when the padre knocks on your door, and hands you a piece of paper that informs you that your son or daughter was killed in action... then it gets real...then it is to late...but hey thats the price for being a cheap bastard right.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 38 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Russian are not done yet, they have sent in only 200 k of its 900 K military, and they have not sent in there all of their best equipment or troops either...don't count them out yet...Putin needs this win, so count on him upping the game be it chemical or bio wpns, or sending in their latest equipment... the purpose of the war was to bring Ukraine back into the Russian Sphere of Influence to destroy the Ukrainian national identity and break the NATO alliance but this war is provoking the exact opposite result the Ukrainians will never rejoin Russia now this war has forged a Ukrainian national identity that didn't even exist before and NATO is being saved by the threat of Putin, he is giving NATO purpose again the whole point of war is to impose strategic results Putin has lost the war by his own stated objectives, since his military operation is having the opposite effects in terms of adding 900K troops ? it can't be done, because the Russians don't even have enough trucks to supply the 200k in the war now it's not how many troops you have on paper, it's how many troops you can supply in the field Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted March 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2022 Subs, jets, sleeping bags with functioning zippers: Where Canada could put $16B in additional defence spending Ask the troops for some answers, and this is a few things of what they said... Subs, jets, sleeping bags with functioning zippers: Where Canada could put $16B in additional defence spending (msn.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted March 25, 2022 Report Share Posted March 25, 2022 On 3/22/2022 at 3:20 PM, Army Guy said: Russian are not done yet, they have sent in only 200 k of its 900 K military, and they have not sent in there all of their best equipment or troops either...don't count them out yet...Putin needs this win, so count on him upping the game be it chemical or bio wpns, or sending in their latest equipment... If he uses these it won't be long until someone takes action. Too much public willingness will build and there will finally be enough political pressure to take a stand. All it will take is a few handfuls of politicians facing re-election - its only a matter of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted March 26, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2022 On 3/25/2022 at 12:39 AM, eyeball said: If he uses these it won't be long until someone takes action. Too much public willingness will build and there will finally be enough political pressure to take a stand. All it will take is a few handfuls of politicians facing re-election - its only a matter of time. It's not just politicians... in a recent poll over 47 % of Canadians think or some what think that NATO should establish a no fly zone... My question is this, why would Canadians even have the gull to answer a poll like that, either they have no idea what that course of action would bring to this country or the world...., or THEY have have long forgotten the state our military is in, a state they demanded, and now they want to send those young Canadians into battle with what rainbows and unicorns, and our best wishes.... I say sure no problem, lets all go.... sign the dotted line or sign up your sons and daughters, put some skin in the game....if not F*** off , Canadians are pretty generous if it is not their lives that will be placed in needless danger....Canadians don't deserve their military or their vets...let alone to have a say where we should send them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 26, 2022 Report Share Posted March 26, 2022 5 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Canadians don't deserve their military or their vets...let alone to have a say where we should send them... there are still millions of Canadians whom I would kill & die for in the event of an invasion such as in Ukraine the entire democratic process in Canada has broken down, the First Ministers have become corrupt dictators most Canadians are passengers on this ship of fools, helpless to do anything about it but most Canadians also treat me with utmost respect as a veteran, so I feel the love and return it in kind I would still carry a rifle for Canadians, if the Russians and/or Chinese ever attacked them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 26, 2022 Report Share Posted March 26, 2022 I was a professional soldier of the Crown a mercenary for the Queen I took the Queen's Schilling of my own free will fully aware of the context & consequences as it was my dream since I was a boy, to be just another face in the thin red line it was as promised in the recruitment ads ; not a job, an adventure I thoroughly enjoyed every moment of it, even the worst of times I look back upon with nostalgia now it was my honor & privilege to serve, like my grandfather and great grandfather before me Canadians owe me nothing now, because I was paid back, many times over the Canadian Army forged me into a the man that I became, I owe everything I have to the RCR Battleschool the regiment is my fatherland Victoria Regina Imperatrix Pro Patria 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted March 27, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Dougie93 said: there are still millions of Canadians whom I would kill & die for in the event of an invasion such as in Ukraine the entire democratic process in Canada has broken down, the First Ministers have become corrupt dictators most Canadians are passengers on this ship of fools, helpless to do anything about it but most Canadians also treat me with utmost respect as a veteran, so I feel the love and return it in kind I would still carry a rifle for Canadians, if the Russians and/or Chinese ever attacked them Sorry my friend, my numbers are not that high, aside the regiment, and those that do support the military, the rest well they have figured it out already...I watched to many brothers in arms die because they could not get the help they needed, while Canadians knew what was going on but could not even bother to help.... They are not helpless, no Canadian is, they just chose not to help....for that i have no time for them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 27, 2022 Report Share Posted March 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, Army Guy said: for that i have no time for them I got time for everybody, brother Christian soldiers happy warriors love thine enemies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 27, 2022 Report Share Posted March 27, 2022 I'm not bitter about my service in the army young man in my prime, Generation X Latchey Kid from a broken home growing up on the streets of Toronto couldn't sit still for school, couldn't work in an office looking for a crucible to test my mettle looking for a male dominance hierarchy to ascend looking for men of honor & courage to follow into battle looking for adventure, wild harp strung out behind me the Canadian Army delivered, I got everything I ever wanted, it was a great time, non stop fun and lots of beautiful girls, in particular my girlfriend in Petawawa, Shanda, she made it my home away from home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 27, 2022 Report Share Posted March 27, 2022 I also found that the indoctrination & training was best in the world at the time better than the Americans, better than the British we were the best small army in the world, best trained soldiers in the world didn't matter what weapons you gave us because we were the weapon systems each one of us was an elite weapon system in any situation, we could dominate, simply by professional conduct, battle procedure, skill at arms & esprit de corps it was a complete education, moral, ethical, intellectual & spiritual few men ever get the chance to be at the very tip of the spear with the finest soldiers in the world to the left & right of them other than playing in the NHL, it's the ultimate Canadian adventure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted March 27, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2022 Just when things were looking like they were going to change direction , in comes the NDP, the fun police and poof...it sems they only want to fund parts of the military, like the ones that help with floods, and ice storms, or forest fires, and of course Search and Rescue... NATO’s military spending target ‘arbitrary,’ but some boosts warranted: Singh (msn.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 27, 2022 Report Share Posted March 27, 2022 Just now, Army Guy said: Just when things were looking like they were going to change direction , in comes the NDP, the fun police and poof...it sems they only want to fund parts of the military, like the ones that help with floods, and ice storms, or forest fires, and of course Search and Rescue... NATO’s military spending target ‘arbitrary,’ but some boosts warranted: Singh (msn.com) Canada is protected inside the perimeter of Fortress America so there is no strategic imperative for the military beyond domestic operations aid to the civil power & humanitarian assistance is the primary role there is no requirement for Canada to be a vanguard for NATO like in Afghanistan I mean, how did that work out for you ? for Canadians who want to fight ? they can just go to Ukraine and fight, right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 27, 2022 Report Share Posted March 27, 2022 in terms of having to contribute to NATO for Cold War Two ? Canada has enough to provide the bear minimum a mechanized battle group to be a tripwire force in Latvia a squadron of FFH-330 Halifax class frigates plus an SSK-876 a squadron of upgraded CF-18's with a pair of tankers that's really all Canada needs to fly the flag at Brussels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 27, 2022 Report Share Posted March 27, 2022 in terms of specific weapons upgrades ? based on the junk the Russians are deploying, Canada doesn't have to do that much the RCN is using state of the art American equipment the CF-18's outclass the Russian air force just by superior avionics and weapons the Leopard 2 is better than the Russian tanks, maybe just add an active protection system LAV 6 is better than a Russian BTR the M777 howitzer is best in class Canada is buying new trucks for logistics what else does Canada really need ? a new air defence system for the army Javelin & NLAW anti armor weapons, and Switchblade drones that's about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted March 27, 2022 Report Share Posted March 27, 2022 50 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Just when things were looking like they were going to change direction , in comes the NDP, the fun police and poof...it sems they only want to fund parts of the military, like the ones that help with floods, and ice storms, or forest fires, and of course Search and Rescue... NATO’s military spending target ‘arbitrary,’ but some boosts warranted: Singh (msn.com) Yup. What's the point of investing in conventional weapons for us to fight with in Europe? We won't use them because a conventional war will be over in a matter of hours and we'll all be dead in a month from radiation. The only direction an invasion will ever come from is the south not the north. For that all we need are a handful of cobalt bombs. We'd be better off to invest in war materials manufacturing for shipping to Ukraine and use our military for peacekeeping and civil disaster relief. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 27, 2022 Report Share Posted March 27, 2022 (edited) the Canadian foreign policy requires meeting the following oblgations a small conventional force contribution to NATO maintaining Canada's air & maritime defence forces to NORAD Canadian Special Operations Forces for counter terrorism & military assistance Canada has sufficient forces to fulfill those obligations now, under current budgetary & force structure Canada also wastes most of the defence budget on boondoggles so in the event of war, Canada actually has money available in the budget to be shifted around as necessary it's all relative in the end Canada is very heavily armed compared to say New Zealand don't think of Canada as being a frozen Australia Canada is basically a giant New Zealand Edited March 27, 2022 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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