Dougie93 Posted March 21, 2022 Report Posted March 21, 2022 the Russians can't even do the basics they don't even operate in combined arms they don't even have a cohesive plan a Brigade Group of Canadians rolling around in LAV 6.0, dismounting at the Zulu harbor, then closing dismounted would be handing the Russians their asses right now, no Leopard 2's even required 1 Quote
eyeball Posted March 21, 2022 Report Posted March 21, 2022 We need to be attacked. That's what galvanizes. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Dougie93 Posted March 21, 2022 Report Posted March 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Well we have one of the largest coast lines, one of the largest land masses, And yet we have one of the smallest army components. even after Justin creative budgeting to get us to 1.4 % GDP, which includes the RCMP budget, along with emergency preparedness, plus a ton more...i think we can squeeze a little more into defense...for a G-8 nation... I agree 100 %, but thats what happens when me have politicians picking out our equipment for us...Used F-18's, Tapv, bastardized LAV 6.0 and a lot more...The entire purchasing department in both PWSG and DND needs to be bulldozed and rebuilt, before any new buys or funding... Russia doesn't have the forces to attack Canada inside Fortress America the best the Russians could do would be an interpolar thermonuclear strike against North America which would be suicidal for them, so not a path to victory against the Crown of Canada 1 Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 21, 2022 Report Posted March 21, 2022 on the TAPV in particular if you think of it as a fighting vehicle, then it is ineadquate but if you see how the Russians can't defend their resupply convoys and then see the TAPV as a escort vehicle for resupply elements then the TAPV can be quite usefull the TAPV is not worse than what the Russians are using at the same level of operations the TAPV is better than the Russian BRDM-2 Quote
Army Guy Posted March 21, 2022 Author Report Posted March 21, 2022 25 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: the Navy cannot be rebuilt quickly, it does take many years to build warships but in terms of the army & air force, those could be rapidly built up as necessary Korea, Germany, Japan, US, could build our ships for a 1/2 of the price, with all of the equipment we wanted...and much faster...Britian has already turned out it's first Type 21 frigate, with another just behind it... Sure anything is possible, we need to shut the politicians out of picking equipment , fix the procurement policies, find the will and balls to press the trigger, and make a bunch of one time purchase from over seas contractors....and wait years for it all to come in... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Dougie93 Posted March 21, 2022 Report Posted March 21, 2022 the TAPV also serves a purpose for the Militia units it's an affordable supportable vehicle which they can use for basic armor maneuver training and it can be deployed in Canada for domestic aid to the civil power don't think of the TAPV as being a main fighting vehicle, it is designed for rear area & convoy security Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 21, 2022 Report Posted March 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Korea, Germany, Japan, US, could build our ships for a 1/2 of the price, with all of the equipment we wanted...and much faster...Britian has already turned out it's first Type 21 frigate, with another just behind it... Sure anything is possible, we need to shut the politicians out of picking equipment , fix the procurement policies, find the will and balls to press the trigger, and make a bunch of one time purchase from over seas contractors....and wait years for it all to come in... all that would change upon Canada declaring war this is always as it has been with Canada there are two Canadian military's there is the Canadian peacetime boondoggle military then there is the Canadian military that fought the World Wars under duress Quote
Army Guy Posted March 21, 2022 Author Report Posted March 21, 2022 31 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: even the RCAF fleet of aging CF-18s outclasses anything the Russians have it's all about avionics & missiles CF-18 with AN/APG-79V4 AESA radar & AIM-120D AMRAAM the Russians have no answer for that what they have is hundreds of state of the air art aircraft, like SU-35, SU-34,SU-30, mig 35... all much better than a 40 year old fighter with an upgraded radar, which is still old, compared to new F-16, F15EX, F-35, F-22... Not to mention our F-18 are no match for any Russian air defense system., S-300,S-400, and S-500, not to mention the dozens of other systems they have...you can't fly a 40 year old plane in a modern airspace and not expect to take unacceptable losses... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Dougie93 Posted March 21, 2022 Report Posted March 21, 2022 the Ukrainians are showing the way all war is logistics & human will in the end whatever kit you have available, you leverage that to your advantage in classic Canadian fashion the Germans were far better equipped in both World Wars yet the Canadians defeated them head to head, twice Slava Ukriani, Geroyim Slava Quote
Army Guy Posted March 21, 2022 Author Report Posted March 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: the TAPV also serves a purpose for the Militia units it's an affordable supportable vehicle which they can use for basic armor maneuver training and it can be deployed in Canada for domestic aid to the civil power don't think of the TAPV as being a main fighting vehicle, it is designed for rear area & convoy security It is also issued to regular force Infantry units to make up for the lack of LAV's... did they mention it only holds 5 guys...and the rest go to the field in a school bus... I call it a boondoggle of a buy...the thing was originally purchased to replace the Coyotes to do recce, the thing is massive...prone to tipping ,rolling end over end, it is junk... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Dougie93 Posted March 21, 2022 Report Posted March 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, Army Guy said: what they have is hundreds of state of the air art aircraft, like SU-35, SU-34,SU-30, mig 35... all much better than a 40 year old fighter with an upgraded radar, which is still old, compared to new F-16, F15EX, F-35, F-22... Not to mention our F-18 are no match for any Russian air defense system., S-300,S-400, and S-500, not to mention the dozens of other systems they have...you can't fly a 40 year old plane in a modern airspace and not expect to take unacceptable losses... the Russian air force has a been a no show in this war you're making them out to be ten feet tall, when they are showing themselves to be about four foot one right now Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 21, 2022 Report Posted March 21, 2022 all the Russian kit is junk don't buy the hype look at these pitiful Russians in action right now they can't fight their way out of a wet paper bag they don't even have air superiority their supposedly vaunted air defense systems can't stop the Ukrainian drones buck up we are going to kick the Russians asses, we already are they have already lost the war, it's just a question of how many Russian body bags now, before they concede Quote
Army Guy Posted March 21, 2022 Author Report Posted March 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: all that would change upon Canada declaring war this is always as it has been with Canada there are two Canadian military's there is the Canadian peacetime boondoggle military then there is the Canadian military that fought the World Wars under duress No it would get worse for a few reasons, our nation has very limited in the way of a military industry... so leopard tanks and new IFV they would be building them for themselves, we would be stuck with a lightly armored LAV... The last wars we fought , cost Canadians needless lives as they had cut the regular elements to the bone, not much experience to be found, let alone equipment, those Royals that went into battle , went in green and many died needlessly, second war we came out a little better, still lots of Royals around that had battle experience, but warfare had changed... and we had nothing of any real value for kit... Ant future conflict is going to be come as you are, there won't be years to make vehicles, and airplanes and ships, and right now we don't have squat...and squat is what we will fight in... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted March 21, 2022 Author Report Posted March 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: the Russian air force has a been a no show in this war you're making them out to be ten feet tall, when they are showing themselves to be about four foot one right now never under estimate your opponent, you know that... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Dougie93 Posted March 21, 2022 Report Posted March 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Army Guy said: never under estimate your opponent, you know that... indeed, and the Russians have underestimate us resulting in them getting their asses handed to them now at the tactical, operational & strategic level the purpose of war is to impose a political result and by the Russians own stated objectives, they have already lost the war don't wallow in the bottom of your trench talking the morale down, you know that Quote
Army Guy Posted March 21, 2022 Author Report Posted March 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: all the Russian kit is junk don't buy the hype look at these pitiful Russians in action right now they can't fight their way out of a wet paper bag they don't even have air superiority their supposedly vaunted air defense systems can't stop the Ukrainian drones buck up we are going to kick the Russians asses, we already are they have already lost the war, it's just a question of how many Russian body bags now, before they concede Russian military has only committed 200 k out of a 900 k military... and you know as well as i do Russian don't care about causality counts, they care about completing the mission...Putin will throw them all away to achieve is objectives... Russian equipment has never been up to NATO standard, but what they lack in quality they make up by numbers...same as troops So far a bulk of the troops have been reserve or border units...not sure if they have committed their main regular front line troops yet... anyways it is not over yet, nobody is pulling out any Champaign yet Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted March 21, 2022 Author Report Posted March 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: indeed, and the Russians have underestimate us resulting in them getting their asses handed to them now at the tactical, operational & strategic level the purpose of war is to impose a political result and by the Russians own stated objectives, they have already lost the war don't wallow in the bottom of your trench talking the morale down, you know that Not wallowing just yet, just waiting for the fat lady to sing... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Dougie93 Posted March 21, 2022 Report Posted March 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Not wallowing just yet, just waiting for the fat lady to sing... just keep going, put one foot in front of the other, don't quit same as it ever was happy warriors ducimus Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 21, 2022 Report Posted March 21, 2022 how impressive was the Canadian Army ? no matter how bad things got no matter what equipment we had, or didn't have the morale never faltered, we never quit we just kept going, and we found a way to have good time doing it we did more with less, we took the initiative, we embraced the operational art as our arm of decision that is what left an impression and whenever I was on my chinstrap John McCrae came to me Take up our quarrel with the foe: To you from failing hands we throw The torch; be yours to hold it high. If ye break faith with us who die We shall not sleep, though poppies grow In Flanders fields. if my great grandfather kept going from Second Ypres to Mons there was no way I could feel sorry for myself Cuidich 'n Righ Quote
Army Guy Posted March 21, 2022 Author Report Posted March 21, 2022 Sorry man, but they beat all of that out of me, today I would not answer our nations call to defend her... i would follow my brothers to the gates of hell if they asked, for them and them only would i bear arms. But i would not do it for my nation or flag.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Dougie93 Posted March 21, 2022 Report Posted March 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Sorry man, but they beat all of that out of me, today I would not answer our nations call to defend her. I still answer to the brothers in the regiment you never leave the regiment : except feet first in a pine box, colours flying, pipes skirling so no matter how beat down you are : no man left behind in the French Foreign Legion, they say "Legio Patria Nostra" that means "the regiment is my fatherland" Quote
eyeball Posted March 21, 2022 Report Posted March 21, 2022 21 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Sorry man, but they beat all of that out of me, today I would not answer our nations call to defend her... i would follow my brothers to the gates of hell if they asked, for them and them only would i bear arms. But i would not do it for my nation or flag.... I feel the same way towards my clan, tribe and region. I'd happily take up arms for our species and planet. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Dougie93 Posted March 21, 2022 Report Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Army Guy said: i would follow my brothers to the gates of hell if they asked, for them and them only would i bear arms. But i would not do it for my nation or flag.... but we never were citizen soldiers that's not the Canadian way we report to the Commander-in-Chief at Buckingham Palace doesn't matter if that is Elizabeth Windsor or Charles Wales, or some other heir to the throne of Canada point being, we never reported to the government in Ottawa, nor does any oath we took bind us to that British is not a race, British is not a place, British is a system of governance called Parliamentary Supremacy that is the only nation you are bound to have fealty to there isn't even a single flag, which flag do you mean, Maple Leaf or Fleur de Lis ? Canada was after all founded on 22 June 1603 by the House of Bourbon vive le Quebec libre is as Canadian as ice hockey, pineapple on pizza & ketchup flavored chips Edited March 21, 2022 by Dougie93 Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted March 22, 2022 Report Posted March 22, 2022 4 hours ago, eyeball said: I feel the same way towards my clan, tribe and region. I'd happily take up arms for our species and planet. no one takes up arms for the species or the planet aliens aren't invading Quote
eyeball Posted March 22, 2022 Report Posted March 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: no one takes up arms for the species or the planet aliens aren't invading And yet we're still under siege. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
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