Army Guy Posted February 17, 2022 Report Posted February 17, 2022 22 minutes ago, Aristides said: Who are they and where were they taken? If you want to cite them as representative of all the Canadians who want them to go home you will also have to accept assertion that all the protesters are Nazi sympathizers. Neither is true. Normal people would not paint an entire group with the actions of a few, but that is not the opinion that has been shared by a lot media outlets. Even the PM has said those types of statements, along with the minister of public safety, who was caught by media doing this very thing, lying to the public to sell the image to justify invoking emergencies measures. He drew a direct connection with the Coutts blockade and the weapons found there to the Ottawa protests.. when pressed by the media he did recant saying it was only his opinion, but today you find this story in some of the smaller media outlets... Most normal people will admit that the media has slanted the message, and the government has out right lied to keep it in the media headline stories... That these protestors are now being treated as terrorist...and most Canadians are good with that... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Aristides Posted February 17, 2022 Report Posted February 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Army Guy said: Normal people would not paint an entire group with the actions of a few, but that is not the opinion that has been shared by a lot media outlets. Even the PM has said those types of statements, along with the minister of public safety, who was caught by media doing this very thing, lying to the public to sell the image to justify invoking emergencies measures. He drew a direct connection with the Coutts blockade and the weapons found there to the Ottawa protests.. when pressed by the media he did recant saying it was only his opinion, but today you find this story in some of the smaller media outlets... Most normal people will admit that the media has slanted the message, and the government has out right lied to keep it in the media headline stories... That these protestors are now being treated as terrorist...and most Canadians are good with that... I think some of that is true and the PM certainly hasn't made it better. However, it is time for these people to leave, they have lost the support of the majority and are only hurting themselves now. The more militant they get the more the government can point and say, I told you so. The protesters have made the government look bad, much of it self inflicted but the longer they persist the more the government will benefit. There is a time to realize you have done all you can and anything more is counter productive. 1 1 Quote
TreeBeard Posted February 17, 2022 Report Posted February 17, 2022 9 hours ago, betsy said: martial law Do you really think the government has invoked martial law? 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted February 17, 2022 Report Posted February 17, 2022 15 minutes ago, Aristides said: I think some of that is true and the PM certainly hasn't made it better. However, it is time for these people to leave, they have lost the support of the majority and are only hurting themselves now. The more militant they get the more the government can point and say, I told you so. The protesters have made the government look bad, much of it self inflicted but the longer they persist the more the government will benefit. There is a time to realize you have done all you can and anything more is counter productive. I'm sure there is more that is true than not, i get it there are many on this forum that are just as guilty promoting what could be the extreme right wing views... I've tried to stay objective here about this whole issue but i continue to see our government using lies ands deceit to sell their actions or lack of in most cases to the public. And not just with this issue but a good portion of this governments actions. They say one thing and do another, for instance truckers do NOT need to be vaccinated if any part of their load is considered medical supplies, bus drivers taking students across the border also do NOT have to be vaccinated or proof of any testing... Unvaccinated truckers delivering vaccines exempt from border rules - Canada News - Castanet.net Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
betsy Posted February 17, 2022 Author Report Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: No, the person who said he is willing to die for his cause was white but the one who threatened civil war looked middle eastern and another one who nearly threatened terrorism (he said if they crack down on us they will create a terrorist like himself) appeared of African decent. In all, though there are white supremacist elements in the protest crowd but the majority are not, but for sure there are a large number of radical elements in the protest crowd who wish to change the democratically elected government by force or mob dictatorship and the presence of these radical groups who so openly and publicly call for civil war or terrorism fully justifies the emergency act. How do you determine that there's a "large" radical element? Majority of them are all peaceful. Furthermore, how do we know that those said "radical element" weren't planted to make the convoy look bad? That's the problem. We can't trust everything they're showing us. We can't trust everything they're telling us. Edited February 17, 2022 by betsy Quote
Aristides Posted February 17, 2022 Report Posted February 17, 2022 Just now, Army Guy said: I'm sure there is more that is true than not, i get it there are many on this forum that are just as guilty promoting what could be the extreme right wing views... I've tried to stay objective here about this whole issue but i continue to see our government using lies ands deceit to sell their actions or lack of in most cases to the public. And not just with this issue but a good portion of this governments actions. They say one thing and do another, for instance truckers do NOT need to be vaccinated if any part of their load is considered medical supplies, bus drivers taking students across the border also do NOT have to be vaccinated or proof of any testing... Unvaccinated truckers delivering vaccines exempt from border rules - Canada News - Castanet.net Yes, I saw that too. It isn't just government that is guilty of manipulation. These people seem to be hoodwinked into believing they could cross the border if Trudeau just dropped the Canadian mandate. Quote
betsy Posted February 17, 2022 Author Report Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, RedDog said: Still, I think Canada may lead the entire planet in bronze medals so there’s that. Yeah. Medals made where? From................................. CHINA! ? Lol - for all the empty talks about human rights, yet we don't have the balls to say BOYCOTT the BEIJING OLYMPICS. Why? We don't want to deprive a handful of people who had dreamed of winning some medals! It's bad enogh that the Olympics is happening in China - the same country who put through toutures two of our citizens only recently. But it's not even a credible Olympics anymore with all the doping that's been going on. Complaining Canadians who'd lost only look like sore losers! What did they expect? Edited February 17, 2022 by betsy 1 Quote
betsy Posted February 17, 2022 Author Report Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) It's the leaders who'd bungled the situation. From Trudeau, and Mayor Watson! There was a power struggle of some kind happening involving Watson and police bureau - I don't understand it, but a councilwoman just came on CBC and made the revelation. Keep an eye on it. Evan Solomon alluded to it last night or the night before that something's happening in the Ottawa police. He might say more today. Edited February 17, 2022 by betsy Quote
Zeitgeist Posted February 17, 2022 Report Posted February 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Aristides said: Who is doing that? They just want these people to go home. You have quite the martyr complex. Why should any protesters go home until the mandates are lifted? They’re fighting for our constitutional rights! 2 Quote
Goddess Posted February 17, 2022 Report Posted February 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, betsy said: but a councilwoman just came on CBC and made the revelation. Keep an eye on it. Is she the one that was just fired? I think Deans was her last name..... Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
betsy Posted February 17, 2022 Author Report Posted February 17, 2022 57 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Normal people would not paint an entire group with the actions of a few, but that is not the opinion that has been shared by a lot media outlets. Even the PM has said those types of statements, along with the minister of public safety, who was caught by media doing this very thing, lying to the public to sell the image to justify invoking emergencies measures. He drew a direct connection with the Coutts blockade and the weapons found there to the Ottawa protests.. when pressed by the media he did recant saying it was only his opinion, but today you find this story in some of the smaller media outlets... Most normal people will admit that the media has slanted the message, and the government has out right lied to keep it in the media headline stories... That these protestors are now being treated as terrorist...and most Canadians are good with that... Lol - how do we know those weapons shown on tv came from the truckers? I'm beginning to question everything they say. I must be getting too paranoid now.... Quote
betsy Posted February 17, 2022 Author Report Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Goddess said: Is she the one that was just fired? I think Deans was her last name..... I'm not sure - I don't think so. It was only this afternoon that she was being talked to at CBC. This was a council woman from Ottawa. I think she opposed the firing, or was not supportive of it. I'll see if Solomon has something on it tonight. Perhaps that's why Sloly was having a hard time getting police do the policing - they've got problems internally. Edited February 17, 2022 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted February 17, 2022 Author Report Posted February 17, 2022 Watch: Lawmakers Burst out Laughing at Justin Trudeau Saying ‘Responsible Leadership’ https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/02/16/watch-lawmakers-burst-out-laughing-at-justin-trudeau-saying-responsible-leadership/ Quote
Goddess Posted February 17, 2022 Report Posted February 17, 2022 13 minutes ago, betsy said: I'm not sure - I don't think so. It was only this afternoon that she was being talked to at CBC. This was a council woman from Ottawa. I think she opposed the firing, or was not supportive of it. I'll see if Solomon has something on it tonight. Perhaps that's why Sloly was having a hard time getting police do the policing - they've got problems internally. This is the one I was thinking of Diane Deans ousted from oversight board in overhaul of Ottawa's police leadership | CBC News Yes, I think different form the situation you are speaking about. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
CITIZEN_2015 Posted February 17, 2022 Report Posted February 17, 2022 3 hours ago, myata said: A playbook of any aspiring dictator. Congrats everybody - we have arrived. And what would you expect, for two centuries of deep civic slumber? What on earth is this mean? Can you limit yourself to English!!!!!! Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted February 17, 2022 Report Posted February 17, 2022 1 hour ago, betsy said: How do you determine that there's a "large" radical element? Majority of them are all peaceful. Furthermore, how do we know that those said "radical element" weren't planted to make the convoy look bad? That's the problem. We can't trust everything they're showing us. We can't trust everything they're telling us. Do you seriously think that in Canada, the government or the police are going to hire people to pretend that they are protesters and then make radical statements to News media? Seriously? Not to mention the radical background of some organizers and leaders? Quote
Aristides Posted February 18, 2022 Report Posted February 18, 2022 6 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: What on earth is this mean? Can you limit yourself to English!!!!!! myata is the resident complainer, he does nothing else and offers nothing else. Quote
Aristides Posted February 18, 2022 Report Posted February 18, 2022 7 hours ago, Goddess said: Is she the one that was just fired? I think Deans was her last name..... It's all over the news but I forgot, you don't look at MSM. Quote
WestCanMan Posted February 18, 2022 Report Posted February 18, 2022 12 hours ago, Goddess said: And you and your supporters want to gas and kill people. There is no moral high ground for you here when you support gassing and killing your fellow Canadians. Where did you see this? Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
WestCanMan Posted February 18, 2022 Report Posted February 18, 2022 12 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: and the presence of these radical groups who so openly and publicly call for civil war or terrorism fully justifies the emergency act. Our PM is a radical. He opens hatemongers on TV. Where was your outrage when Trudeau asked if people who don't vax should be tolerated? Your bias is ridiculous. You see the world through the eyes of a child. 1 Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
WestCanMan Posted February 18, 2022 Report Posted February 18, 2022 10 hours ago, Aristides said: Who are they and where were they taken? If you want to cite them as representative of all the Canadians who want them to go home you will also have to accept assertion that all the protesters are Nazi sympathizers. Neither is true. Not really. People who disavow the shitty outliers who are trying to tag along within their movement don't have to accept any assertions about anyone. Anyone who accepts nazis in their group, who accepts hatemongers [like Trudeau], is equally part of the problem. And I'll say that a large % of pro-vax people here fall into the category of vax-nazis. There were even people here who were echoing the sentiment that unvaxed should be left to die if they get sick, etc. That was idiotic, but anyone who voiced support for someone holding a sign that says "people should be gassed" needs to be on CSIS's radar. It's no longer an issue of debating with them. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
WestCanMan Posted February 18, 2022 Report Posted February 18, 2022 7 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: Do you seriously think that in Canada, the government or the police are going to hire people to pretend that they are protesters and then make radical statements to News media? Seriously? Not to mention the radical background of some organizers and leaders? Of course. Absolutely. 100.0%. The people who say that the members of the Freedom Convoy are threatening people, harassing people, that businesses closed because people are scared of them, that they're desecrating statues & memorials, that they urinated on the war memorial, that they danved on the tomb of the unknown soldier, that they honk all night, that they are a bunch of racists, that say that there was a confederate flag flying there [that was a plant, 100%].... Anyone who is willing to lie to that extent is 100% rotten enough to plant fake agitators in the crowd. Trudeau and our MSM will look like huge pieces of crap if their lies and slander don't manage to goad anyone into doing anything memorable. Now they're arresting the convoy leaders to push just a bit more. All of this and still he hasn't uttered one word about the topic of getting rid of the China-style social credit scoring system known as the vax passport. Trudeau needs someone to do something that justifies a harsh takedown of the protest, and that justifies another gun grab. It hasn't even come close to happening yet and it doesn't appear likely at this point. Will Trudeau let himself be the fool, or will he give one of the members of his target demographic a little rock of crack for planting a fake bomb somewhere or planting some assault rifles in someone's truck. Trudeau needs to get his Emergencies Act accepted in parliament in a few days, and the gun picture by Coutts was supposed to provide the "OH HELL" moment that got him the required number of votes, but it was proven to be bullshit so it fizzled. He'll definitely try again. The bullshit is just getting started. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. Bug-juice is the new Kool-aid. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
Aristides Posted February 18, 2022 Report Posted February 18, 2022 27 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Not really. People who disavow the shitty outliers who are trying to tag along within their movement don't have to accept any assertions about anyone. Anyone who accepts nazis in their group, who accepts hatemongers [like Trudeau], is equally part of the problem. And I'll say that a large % of pro-vax people here fall into the category of vax-nazis. There were even people here who were echoing the sentiment that unvaxed should be left to die if they get sick, etc. That was idiotic, but anyone who voiced support for someone holding a sign that says "people should be gassed" needs to be on CSIS's radar. It's no longer an issue of debating with them. I agree with almost all of that with the exemption of a large %. It's actually a small percentage that make the most noise on any side of an issue. 1 Quote
Zeitgeist Posted February 18, 2022 Report Posted February 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Aristides said: I agree with almost all of that with the exemption of a large %. It's actually a small percentage that make the most noise on any side of an issue. Not always. Quote
Aristides Posted February 18, 2022 Report Posted February 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Not always. Pretty much always. Quote
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