Army Guy Posted February 11, 2022 Report Posted February 11, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Aristides said: Parts flow both ways across the border. American auto workers are getting laid off as well. You guys either have no clue of the damage you are causing or just don't care. How the hell do you think get parts across the border. The US is our largest trading partner, everyone who relies on cross border trade is being held hostage by a few truckers and their idiot children supporters. First of all it is not YOU guys, I am in NB, and have no part of these protests...is that what the media told you, your the one that said these guys represent about 10 % of the truckers, i think it is a lot less than that... more like 1 % maybe... the other 99 % are on the roads... and if that one % is making a difference then we really have a problem in the trucking industry...... there may be a shortage of parts and it may be a little worse than it was before the truckers protest but actually shutting down the auto sector, and blaming it on the truckers is typical of Canadians How do we get parts across the border welland i'm just assuming over the thousand plus border crossings, and if a couple are blockaded then go to the next one... and now we are calling the children idiots becasue thats what adults do now....it is like they had a say or vote in where their parents drag them...Maybe both sides should use some common sense...send the kids home so the people in Ottawa can kill the protesters, and hang them on pikes for the world to see... funney we can treat terrorist's better than we can treat Canadian protesters... And Blackbird your totally off you rocker, take the blue pills FFS. Edited February 11, 2022 by Army Guy Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Aristides Posted February 11, 2022 Report Posted February 11, 2022 39 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: This whole mess should be laid at the feet of the Prime Minister. Refusing to even discuss a timeline for the removal of vaccine mandates has alienated a significant segment of the essential workers who served us throughout the pandemic, at a time when most western democracies are ending pandemic measures. It’s tone deaf, arrogant, and arbitrary. Want to end this mess, Mr. Trudeau? Provide a firm end date for the mandates. That date must be soon and any reasons why the mandates can’t be lifted immediately must be clearly explained. I just don’t see the impasse ending otherwise. If force is used to make protesters leave without an unconditional end date, there will be bigger problems ahead for the Liberal government. Tell us oh genius, where is this virus going and what will the next variant be like. It you know, please tell the government so they can plan accordingly. Quote
blackbird Posted February 11, 2022 Report Posted February 11, 2022 On Global News, one young man, a protester at the Ambassador bridge, says the protest will cost people a lot of money. He relishes shafting Canadians. One young woman says similarly this protest will affect the economy, that's what we want to do. Quote
blackbird Posted February 11, 2022 Report Posted February 11, 2022 The Ontario chief health officer says they will lift health measures on an evidence-based science basis. Quote
West Posted February 11, 2022 Author Report Posted February 11, 2022 11 minutes ago, blackbird said: The mandates and health restrictions were brought in by a democratically-elected government and are perfectly legal. What is a problem is a fringe element using illegal means to try to coerce the government into dropping the mandates. This is criminality. What is needed is ALL Canadians to work together to get us through this pandemic. We need to be thinking of our neighbour and making whatever sacrifice we are asked to make to get us through this. Just because they are democratically elected doesn't mean the mandates themselves are legal. Quote
Army Guy Posted February 11, 2022 Report Posted February 11, 2022 52 minutes ago, Aristides said: Unfortunately we don't have a National Guard in this country. I never thought we would ever need one. Why so we can treat them like shit as well , wake up this is Canada, we have the military just like we want it, poor and under funded and undermanned... becasue they are scary remember... And the same with your police , shit even in this crises some groups are calling to defund the police... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Aristides Posted February 11, 2022 Report Posted February 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, Army Guy said: First of all it is not YOU guys, I am in NB, and have no part of these protests...is that what the media told you, your the one that these guys represent about 10 % of the trucks, i think it is a lot less than that... more like 1 % maybe... and if that one % is making a difference you make me laugh... there may be a shortage of parts and it may be a little worse than it was before the truckers protest but actually shutting down the auto sector, good luck with that... How do we get parts across the border well i'm assuming over the thousand plus border crossings, and if a couple are blockaded then go to the next one... and now we are calling the children idiots becasue they had a chose in where their parents drag them...Maybe both sides should use some common sense... And Blackbird your totally off you rocker, take the blue pills FFS. You seem to support them which would make you part of the problem. Ford says it has shut down its Ontario engine plant and one shift at its assembly plant but they are probably lying, right? The auto industry is in southern Ontario and Michigan, right now they are having to divert trucks to the Sioux to get parts across the border. Basically at least a 1500 km detour. Children aren't idiots but a hell of a lot of their parents are. Quote
Aristides Posted February 11, 2022 Report Posted February 11, 2022 Just now, Army Guy said: Why so we can treat them like shit as well , wake up this is Canada, we have the military just like we want it, poor and under funded and undermanned... becasue they are scary remember... And the same with your police , shit even in this crises some groups are calling to defund the police... I've never thought the military is scary and my son is a police sergeant. Quote
blackbird Posted February 11, 2022 Report Posted February 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, West said: Just because they are democratically elected doesn't mean the mandates themselves are legal. quote "The first decisions have clearly set the tone in favour of employers and their obligation to maintain a safe workplace," said Adam Savaglio, an employment lawyer and partner with Scarfone Hawkins LLP in Hamilton, Ont. "We have a significant number of arbitration decisions in unionized environments that are showing that vaccine mandates and restrictions are being upheld." A recent arbitration decision between Hydro One Inc. and the Power Workers' Union dismissed the grievances of multiple workers placed on unpaid leave for failing to comply with the utility's COVID-19 vaccination policy. The policy required unvaccinated workers -- and those who declined to reveal their vaccination status -- to take regular rapid tests. In his decision, chief arbitrator John Stout said the policy is reasonable and necessary to address the ongoing health and safety issues arising from the pandemic. unquote Workplace vaccine mandates: What's the law in Canada? | CTV News Quote
blackbird Posted February 11, 2022 Report Posted February 11, 2022 "Police said that anyone blocking roads faced up to two years in prison, a fine of 4,500 euros ($5,140) and a three-year driving ban." French Police Warn Of Canada-Style 'Freedom Convoys' In Paris (ndtv.com) Quote
Army Guy Posted February 11, 2022 Report Posted February 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Aristides said: You seem to support them which would make you part of the problem. Ford says it has shut down its Ontario engine plant and one shift at its assembly plant but they are probably lying, right? The auto industry is in southern Ontario and Michigan, right now they are having to divert trucks to the Sioux to get parts across the border. Basically at least a 1500 km detour. Children aren't idiots but a hell of a lot of their parents are. I support the right to protest and to be treated fairly and thats not happening here... So it has to be becasue of the truckers right, the one percent of truckers, has nothing to do with supply chain, chip shortages, high transport and fuel costs... here in NB diesel is at 1.68 a liter everything travels via diesel, shipping costs are all time highs, but no effect...it all can be dropped at the feet of the truckers... Idiots is what you called them, not me...and your right not the most smartest parenting thing to do , bring your kid to a protest... but that happens at all protests does it not... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Aristides Posted February 11, 2022 Report Posted February 11, 2022 Just now, blackbird said: "Police said that anyone blocking roads faced up to two years in prison, a fine of 4,500 euros ($5,140) and a three-year driving ban." French Police Warn Of Canada-Style 'Freedom Convoys' In Paris (ndtv.com) Macron isn't a wimp like our fearless leader. 1 Quote
Aristides Posted February 11, 2022 Report Posted February 11, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Army Guy said: I support the right to protest and to be treated fairly and thats not happening here... So it has to be becasue of the truckers right, the one percent of truckers, has nothing to do with supply chain, chip shortages, high transport and fuel costs... here in NB diesel is at 1.68 a liter everything travels via diesel, shipping costs are all time highs, but no effect...it all can be dropped at the feet of the truckers... Idiots is what you called them, not me...and your right not the most smartest parenting thing to do , bring your kid to a protest... but that happens at all protests does it not... So what do you think a 1500 km detour is going to do to costs with diesel at $1.68 a litre. Will the companies pick up the cost and pass it on to the customers or will the drivers just have to eat it? Do any of you care? Edited February 11, 2022 by Aristides Quote
Aristides Posted February 11, 2022 Report Posted February 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, Army Guy said: I support the right to protest and to be treated fairly and thats not happening here... So it has to be becasue of the truckers right, the one percent of truckers, has nothing to do with supply chain, chip shortages, high transport and fuel costs... here in NB diesel is at 1.68 a liter everything travels via diesel, shipping costs are all time highs, but no effect...it all can be dropped at the feet of the truckers... Idiots is what you called them, not me...and your right not the most smartest parenting thing to do , bring your kid to a protest... but that happens at all protests does it not... Exercising your right to protest doesn't make you intelligent. Quote
Army Guy Posted February 11, 2022 Report Posted February 11, 2022 8 minutes ago, Aristides said: I've never thought the military is scary and my son is a police sergeant. Your one of the few, and what do you make of the calls to defund the police.. Your son knows full well if they are forced to dig these guys out it is going to get ugly and it will not be portrayed well in the media, and those that ordered it will take 10 steps back to distance themselves from the whole thing....and those same people that demand the police do something will then be calling for more defunding... The reason they can not act is becasue they don't have the officers to do so... why is that, becasue our political masters wanted it that way...and because those same citizens have not demanded it...look around you they are the problem, had they acted sooner this would not be a problem... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted February 11, 2022 Report Posted February 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Aristides said: Exercising your right to protest doesn't make you intelligent. exercising all your rights is a "right" like it or not, it has nothing to do with intelligence or if you like it. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Aristides Posted February 11, 2022 Report Posted February 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Your one of the few, and what do you make of the calls to defund the police.. Your son knows full well if they are forced to dig these guys out it is going to get ugly and it will not be portrayed well in the media, and those that ordered it will take 10 steps back to distance themselves from the whole thing....and those same people that demand the police do something will then be calling for more defunding... The reason they can not act is becasue they don't have the officers to do so... why is that, becasue our political masters wanted it that way...and because those same citizens have not demanded it...look around you they are the problem, had they acted sooner this would not be a problem... All of the above but do our masters want it that way? If they are it is just because they are reading the public and acting accordingly. After all, it is about getting re elected is it not. I'm tired of people who excuse their own actions by pointing at politicians. Take some responsibility for yourself. Yes the government may be shit but what you do about it and the consequences are on you. It's interesting that the biggest boosters of this protest are the same ones so against defending the police. Our world has gone insane and I think western democracies are in real trouble. The Putins and Xi's are winning by undermining our institutions through things like the internet and enough of us are too stupid to understand that. Quote
Aristides Posted February 11, 2022 Report Posted February 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, Army Guy said: exercising all your rights is a "right" like it or not, it has nothing to do with intelligence or if you like it. Having a right doesn't make you right. Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted February 11, 2022 Report Posted February 11, 2022 These law breaking protesters were only harming Ottawa residents at the start but now they are harming the entire nation. The Federal government is not acting decisively or strong enough and Ontario government has adopted hands off approach. This is not acceptable. Quote
eyeball Posted February 11, 2022 Report Posted February 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Infidel Dog said: Wait...so you're saying you believe intersectionalism, wokeism, and CRT are good things? Well thanks then for finally defining for us exactly what you are. Not an Independent moderate anymore then. Thanks for the honesty finally, I guess. You were just joking anyway, right? I don't think about these enough to even have an opinion about them but it sounds like you've formed it for me anyway so. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Army Guy Posted February 11, 2022 Report Posted February 11, 2022 10 minutes ago, Aristides said: All of the above but do our masters want it that way? If they are it is just because they are reading the public and acting accordingly. After all, it is about getting re elected is it not. I'm tired of people who excuse their own actions by pointing at politicians. Take some responsibility for yourself. Yes the government may be shit but what you do about it and the consequences are on you. It's interesting that the biggest boosters of this protest are the same ones so against defending the police. Our world has gone insane and I think western democracies are in real trouble. The Putins and Xi's are winning by undermining our institutions through things like the internet and enough of us are too stupid to understand that. Come on your masters as you call them don't take a piss with out a public consent or a poll.. perhaps we have different needs of our leadership i think a leader should first and foremost do what is right for the country, just becasue the people want it does not mean that is the best course of action or what the country needs. And i agree everyone should be held accountable for their actions or lack of, but today our politicians are not held accountable for anything...not sure why we would expect everyone else to be... I've voted and written letters to my MP's, i've followed politics I'm no expert but i know what is basically going on... Thats not true, defending the police is from the right , the bluer line on the US flag is a right wing organization, it is a conservative value, law and order... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted February 11, 2022 Report Posted February 11, 2022 17 minutes ago, Aristides said: Having a right doesn't make you right. You have the right to exercise it, regardless if it is popular or not, as long as it is lawful. nobody said that it would make you right... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted February 11, 2022 Report Posted February 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: These law breaking protesters were only harming Ottawa residents at the start but now they are harming the entire nation. The Federal government is not acting decisively or strong enough and Ontario government has adopted hands off approach. This is not acceptable. Why do you think that is, everyone knows that clearing these protestors out is going to get ugly, and someone is going to be held accountable, it's not going to be the politicians, it is going to be those that clear them out...mark my words... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted February 11, 2022 Report Posted February 11, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, OftenWrong said: There is no god in leftism. The state is supreme. I corrected myself...three times now I think. Jesus was a progressive. In any case he sure as fuck wasn't a conservative. Notwithstanding when he's in Dad mode, then he's just an asshole. Edited February 11, 2022 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Aristides Posted February 11, 2022 Report Posted February 11, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Come on your masters as you call them don't take a piss with out a public consent or a poll.. perhaps we have different needs of our leadership i think a leader should first and foremost do what is right for the country, just becasue the people want it does not mean that is the best course of action or what the country needs. And i agree everyone should be held accountable for their actions or lack of, but today our politicians are not held accountable for anything...not sure why we would expect everyone else to be... I've voted and written letters to my MP's, i've followed politics I'm no expert but i know what is basically going on... Thats not true, defending the police is from the right , the bluer line on the US flag is a right wing organization, it is a conservative value, law and order... So they don't act without polls and you have a problem with them acting according to what people think. Is doing what is right for the country the opposite of what the people want? Now you are talking about the fascism DoP keeps going on about. I agree that politicians are less accountable and ministerial accountability seems a thing of the past but isn't that only because we let them get away with it. We have become so polarized that we will make excuses for anything "our guy or party" does regardless of how bad it is. That's on us and we only have ourselves to blame. Edited February 11, 2022 by Aristides Quote
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