The stolen election .

[ironstone]

If covid is on the decline around the time of the midterms in theory more people should be doing in person voting and SHOWING ID but the Dems will of course want to keep expanding the much less secure mail in ballot system and ballot harvesting.

Who will prevail? Republicans want more secure voting and the Dems clearly want less under the ridiculous excuse of minority voter suppression which is in itself racist.Will the Dems slowly turn the rest of America into feces covered San Francisco?

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, ironstone said:

Here's another good article from The Federalist outlining the issues with the 2020 election. 

Why The Wall Street Journal Is Wrong About The 2020 Election (thefederalist.com)

"The problem is not ‘mass voter fraud,’ but a privately funded ‘shadow campaign’ for Joe Biden within the formal structure of the election system."

The federalist is a right wing propaganda site why would it be useful for any objective evaluation of right wing propaganda?

 

You conveniently ignored my debunking if your last is…is that your M.O., just keep  posting new propaganda, ignore all responses and keep changing the channel?  Seems to be a common tactic on the Right

[Nationalist]

15 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

And yet you haven’t been able to produce a single shred evidence that this resulted in any widespread fraud. In fact most fraud that’s been detected has been Trump supporters who were caught by the system and their votes were never counted because the system works. 
 

absentee voting and mail-in voting are the same thing the only difference is what is considered an acceptable excuse. And yea considering Americans normally have to spend hours in line to vote and yeah COVID is a perfectly reasonable reason and that is why even Republican states allowed mail in voting 

Well...it's over now. Do try to play by the rules.

[BeaverFever]

2 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Well...it's over now. Do try to play by the rules.

We are!  You are the ones trying to steal the White House and end US democracy based on absurd and totally unproven baseless  lies

[BeaverFever]

15 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Well now you're gonna have to prove you are who you say you are. And since you're so convinced graf is not a concern, I'm sure you wont mind.

BTW...nice deflection. Fact is you were sellin' pure bullshit about those mail'in ballots.

Get your facts straight 

 

Debunking 6 Myths About Voting By Mail
 

1) MYTH: Absentee ballots are more secure than mail-in ballots.

Absentee ballots have historically described mailed ballots cast by folks who have an excuse to be “absent” from their voting jurisdiction on Election Day (due to things like hospitalization, military service, physical disability, etc.). In 34 states and Washington, D.C., folks can regularly participate in “no-excuse absentee voting,” meaning they can vote by absentee even if they are physically available on Election Day, just for the convenience of it. (And this year, only five states are requiring an excuse beyond COVID-19 to vote absentee in November!).

As these policies developed over time, and the “absent” part of absentee voting became less rigid, election officials have called them a lot of different things: advanced ballots, vote-by-mail ballots, mail ballots, etc.

In most cases, the terms “absentee ballots” and “mail-in ballots” are interchangeable, as they both refer to ballots that are sent and/or received outside of a polling place. In just a handful of states, “mail-in ballot” refers specifically to their universal mail-in voting policies -- where all registered voters are automatically sent their ballots via mail (more on that below).

2) MYTH: Voting by mail is a new concept this election year.

Mail-in voting may be especially in the spotlight this year because of the ongoing coronavirus pandemic, but it’s been around for a long time. Absentee voting goes as far back as the Civil War, and no-excuse absentee voting has been a thing for about 40 years now. Even prior to this election, every state offers some form of vote-by-mail, whether for an approved excuse or just convenience

In fact, five states (Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Utah, and Washington) always conduct their elections primarily by mail, in which all registered voters receive a mailed ballot by default (that universal mail-in voting mentioned above!). Oregon, the first of the bunch to adopt universal mail-in voting, has been doing it successfully for decades.
 

3) MYTH: Voting by mail encourages states to send out unsolicited ballots, including to those ineligible to vote.

The majority of states that offer methods to vote by mail require voters to request a ballot ahead of time if they’re planning to vote absentee.

The exceptions are universal mail-in voting states, which include the five that have historically conducted their elections this way, and four that are adopting it in 2020. In these states, ballots are automatically sent only to those with active voter registrations -- not to every person in the state

4) MYTH: Voting by mail is less secure than voting in person.

Because states have been doing this for a while, they have A LOT of measures in place to make sure that mail ballots are secure and that election integrity is maintained. Here are some examples, sourced from the Brennan Center for Justice:

• Verifying identity: Voters must provide their personal information and signature, which election officials match against voter rolls.

• Bar codes: Some states assign barcodes to each ballot, making it easier for officials to track ballots and identify duplicates. Voters can also use them to make sure their ballots have been received.

• Secure drop-off locations: Some voters opt to drop-off their ballots in a designated location prior to Election Day, and states take steps to make them as secure as possible. Drop boxes are constructed to be tamper-proof, and they’re often supervised by election officials or equipped with security cameras.

• Penalties: States discourage voter fraud (which is a federal crime) by enacting their own criminal and civil penalties in addition to the hefty fines and prison sentences available under federal law.

5) MYTH: Voting by mail favors one political party over another.

Several studies have found no evidence that vote-by-mail methods give either party an advantage. The majority of those voting by mail are folks who were already most likely to vote anyway.

Looking specifically at universal mail-in voting states, research has found that mail-in voting doesn’t significantly impact either party’s share of votes. Slight partisan advantages have been found in some universal mail-in elections, favoring both Republicans and Democrats at different times and locations.

Some studies suggest vote-by-mail methods may just lead to increased voter turnout in general, and greater civic participation is an overall win for our democracy.

6) MYTH: Voting by mail leads to increased voter fraud.

Several studies have found that voter fraud is exceedingly rare in general, and more often linked to other factors (like administrative errors) than vote-by-mail methods.

• A report from The Brennan Center for Justice determined that incident rates of voter fraud are between 0.0003% and 0.0025% (less than the chance of being struck by lightning).

• The Washington Post's investigation of voter fraud in the 2016 election found only four documented cases and a few dozen potential cases of voter fraud. Just one documented case was linked to absentee voting.

• According to The Heritage Foundation, Oregon, the state that’s conducted universal mail-in voting for the longest, has reported 14 cases of voter fraud related to mail-in voting over the span of 19 years and 15 million votes.

(You can look through this comprehensive list of credible research and investigations conducted on voter fraud for more information.)

[Nationalist]

23 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

We are!  You are the ones trying to steal the White House and end US democracy based on absurd and totally unproven baseless  lies

Yes I'm afraid we must apologize for allowing unarmed protesters in the capital so they can be shot dead.

[Nationalist]

24 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Get your facts straight 

 

Debunking 6 Myths About Voting By Mail
 

1) MYTH: Absentee ballots are more secure than mail-in ballots.

Absentee ballots have historically described mailed ballots cast by folks who have an excuse to be “absent” from their voting jurisdiction on Election Day (due to things like hospitalization, military service, physical disability, etc.). In 34 states and Washington, D.C., folks can regularly participate in “no-excuse absentee voting,” meaning they can vote by absentee even if they are physically available on Election Day, just for the convenience of it. (And this year, only five states are requiring an excuse beyond COVID-19 to vote absentee in November!).

As these policies developed over time, and the “absent” part of absentee voting became less rigid, election officials have called them a lot of different things: advanced ballots, vote-by-mail ballots, mail ballots, etc.

In most cases, the terms “absentee ballots” and “mail-in ballots” are interchangeable, as they both refer to ballots that are sent and/or received outside of a polling place. In just a handful of states, “mail-in ballot” refers specifically to their universal mail-in voting policies -- where all registered voters are automatically sent their ballots via mail (more on that below).

2) MYTH: Voting by mail is a new concept this election year.

Mail-in voting may be especially in the spotlight this year because of the ongoing coronavirus pandemic, but it’s been around for a long time. Absentee voting goes as far back as the Civil War, and no-excuse absentee voting has been a thing for about 40 years now. Even prior to this election, every state offers some form of vote-by-mail, whether for an approved excuse or just convenience

In fact, five states (Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Utah, and Washington) always conduct their elections primarily by mail, in which all registered voters receive a mailed ballot by default (that universal mail-in voting mentioned above!). Oregon, the first of the bunch to adopt universal mail-in voting, has been doing it successfully for decades.
 

3) MYTH: Voting by mail encourages states to send out unsolicited ballots, including to those ineligible to vote.

The majority of states that offer methods to vote by mail require voters to request a ballot ahead of time if they’re planning to vote absentee.

The exceptions are universal mail-in voting states, which include the five that have historically conducted their elections this way, and four that are adopting it in 2020. In these states, ballots are automatically sent only to those with active voter registrations -- not to every person in the state

4) MYTH: Voting by mail is less secure than voting in person.

Because states have been doing this for a while, they have A LOT of measures in place to make sure that mail ballots are secure and that election integrity is maintained. Here are some examples, sourced from the Brennan Center for Justice:

• Verifying identity: Voters must provide their personal information and signature, which election officials match against voter rolls.

• Bar codes: Some states assign barcodes to each ballot, making it easier for officials to track ballots and identify duplicates. Voters can also use them to make sure their ballots have been received.

• Secure drop-off locations: Some voters opt to drop-off their ballots in a designated location prior to Election Day, and states take steps to make them as secure as possible. Drop boxes are constructed to be tamper-proof, and they’re often supervised by election officials or equipped with security cameras.

• Penalties: States discourage voter fraud (which is a federal crime) by enacting their own criminal and civil penalties in addition to the hefty fines and prison sentences available under federal law.

5) MYTH: Voting by mail favors one political party over another.

Several studies have found no evidence that vote-by-mail methods give either party an advantage. The majority of those voting by mail are folks who were already most likely to vote anyway.

Looking specifically at universal mail-in voting states, research has found that mail-in voting doesn’t significantly impact either party’s share of votes. Slight partisan advantages have been found in some universal mail-in elections, favoring both Republicans and Democrats at different times and locations.

Some studies suggest vote-by-mail methods may just lead to increased voter turnout in general, and greater civic participation is an overall win for our democracy.

6) MYTH: Voting by mail leads to increased voter fraud.

Several studies have found that voter fraud is exceedingly rare in general, and more often linked to other factors (like administrative errors) than vote-by-mail methods.

• A report from The Brennan Center for Justice determined that incident rates of voter fraud are between 0.0003% and 0.0025% (less than the chance of being struck by lightning).

• The Washington Post's investigation of voter fraud in the 2016 election found only four documented cases and a few dozen potential cases of voter fraud. Just one documented case was linked to absentee voting.

• According to The Heritage Foundation, Oregon, the state that’s conducted universal mail-in voting for the longest, has reported 14 cases of voter fraud related to mail-in voting over the span of 19 years and 15 million votes.

(You can look through this comprehensive list of credible research and investigations conducted on voter fraud for more information.)

So much effort...for nothing.

You will provide proper ID and prove you're an American citizen of voting age...or you will not vote.

Simple as that.

[BeaverFever]

On 1/28/2022 at 10:56 AM, WestCanMan said:

And you think that rioting, looting, arson, assaulting cops, overrunning police stations and claiming sovereignty over US soil is legal? 

We’re talking about the election stop trying to change the subject. Specifically your false comparisons of how some Democrat saying they don’t like Trump is equivalent to Republican attempts to steal the election. But of note, your Trump-loving Jan 6 rioters tried most of those tactics you mention in their hare-brained failed coup attempt. 
 

On 1/28/2022 at 10:56 AM, WestCanMan said:

Election cheating Beave. I correctly stated that Hillary cheated 3x on the 2016 election. She was the only one. 

Trump never cheated, Trump never broke any election laws. Go fish. 

No I already explained to you why that’s not “election cheating” and if you want to claim Trump never broke any laws on account of never being charged or convicted then Ill point out that Hillary has never been charged or convicted either. You’re trying to have it both ways which is typical of right wing hypocrites: people you hate are held to completely different standard than the people you worship.
 

In fact that’s the definition feature of conservatism: it’s not so much based on a set of logic, values or beliefs its based on blind worship and blind hatred. Regardless of facts, logic or values, Republicans believe that people in the first group are to admired, revered and believed without question, and people in the second group are subhumans to be despised, undeserving of even basic rights, and disbelieved without question. And now conservatives are increasingly of the belief that there’s no sitting on the sidelines everyone must pick a side or it will be picked for them and they will be in the second group. That’s why they won’t even accept the premise of any neutral or independent assessment of THE BIG LIE. Anyone daring to be “neutral” or independent by Trump is by definition an enemy   The only people you trust to assess the validity of Trumps claims are thoe who have already pre-pledged their undying devotion to Trump and accept his words as self-verifying truth and indisputable gospel. 
 

On 1/28/2022 at 10:56 AM, WestCanMan said:

The leftist dolt horde did everything to decriminalize rioting, looting, arson and assaults against the police. Even when they attacked the whitehouse, leftists dolts were 100% in favour of that. 

Bullshit and lies within your constant false equation of peaceful protests with riots.  Plus, the white house was never attacked, your cowardly leader and his bone spurs hid in the bunker from a peaceful demonstration. 
 

 

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, BeaverFever said:

We’re talking about the election stop trying to change the subject. Specifically your false comparisons of how some Democrat saying they don’t like Trump is equivalent to Republican attempts to steal the election. But of note, your Trump-loving Jan 6 rioters tried most of those tactics you mention in their

It's all one subject dude.

A riot is a riot is a riot. 

A federal building in Oregon and a federal building in Washington State and a federal building in Washington DC are all federal buildings. 

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hare-brained failed coup attempt. 

You need to look up 'coup' now ffs. 

If you think that 150 unarmed people could stage a coup in the US you're the dumbest person in the history of the internet. Actually, going back before the invention of the wheel. 

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No I already explained to you why that’s not “election cheating” and if you want to claim Trump never broke any laws on account of never being charged or convicted then Ill point out that Hillary has never been charged or convicted either. You’re trying to have it both ways which is typical of right wing hypocrites: people you hate are held to completely different standard than the people you worship.

First off, you don't "explain things" to people, you just say stupid things which need to be corrected.

Second, Hillary absolutely did cheat, you just have ultra-low standards. 

Third, Trump was accused of cheating by people who were actually cheating when they made those accusations, and when they lied to the FISA court to get warrants, and when they perpetuated their fraud on the American people. They sucked a lot of people in, and at the beginning some of the people who were duped weren't altogether stupid. However, there's still a small group of low-IQ extremists who are still clinging to the collusion debacle.

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In fact that’s the definition feature of conservatism: it’s not so much based on a set of logic, values or beliefs its based on blind worship and blind hatred.

And now you're just a bigot.

No need to go any further here.

 

[BeaverFever]

On 1/28/2022 at 11:00 AM, WestCanMan said:

Just because you don't understand things doesn't make them untrue.

Of course the Dems need a fake endorsement from the KKK, their whole shtick is racial division. Their dolt horde loves it. Just admit it, you love it. 

CONSPIRACY!! CONSPIRACY!!!  FALSE FLAG!!  DON’T BELIEVE YOUR EYES AND EARS THE WORLD IS NOT AS IT SEEMS!!!!”

LMAO

That’s why Republicans are always defending the Confederate flags and statues and Trump rioters were waving confederate flags in the Capitol, while Democrats are always trying to take down confederate symbols eh?  All those Black Civil Rights leaders including those who marched with MLK like Jesse Jackson and John Lewis are all too dumb to know they’ve been fooled by a KKK plot because black people are just not as smart as the white man right?

The racist southern conservative political bloc was disenfranchised from the Democratic Party in the 60s and 70s and was welcomed into the Republican Party by Goldwater and Nixon as part of the Southern Strategy. That is a fact of history. 

 

THE BIG LIE IS TRUMP’S REICHSTAG FIRE AND YOU WILL UNWITTINGLY FOLLOW REPUBLICANS TO DICTATORSHIP ONE “PERFECTLY HARMLESS” BABY STEP AT A TIME.  And then one day you will wake up in your totalitarian fascist state and wonder “How on earth did we get here”?  
 

 

[ironstone]

Beaver, I'm still waiting for you to address my point about the fact that Democrats protest virtually every election they lose  while Republicans historically have not. You're practically frothing at the mouth because of Trump's claims but you're silent when I correctly point out that the Democrats do it all the time.

Have you been equally angry about any past claims of stolen elections made by the Democrats?<<<<My question to you.

[BeaverFever]

16 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

t's all one subject dude.

A riot is a riot is a riot. 

A federal building in Oregon and a federal building in Washington State and a federal building in Washington DC are all federal buildings.

Uh no. Your attempts to permanently end US democracy and free and fair elections, are a completely different subject from some riots that came and went. 
 

16 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You need to look up 'coup' now ffs. 

If you think that 150 unarmed people could stage a coup in the US you're the dumbest person in the history of the internet. Actually, going back before the invention of the wheel. 

More than 700 coup attempters have been charged so far. And I did say it was hare-brained didn’t I?  The idiots actually thought that if they killed/captured enough Congressmen and publicly lynched Mike Pence in front  of his family we would just make Trump president and all would be water under the bridge   Others had less violent ideas to he sure but they all thought that somehow their assault would lead to Trump seizing power. 
 

16 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

First off, you don't "explain things" to people, you just say stupid things which need to be corrected.

Second, Hillary absolutely did cheat, you just have ultra-low standards. 

Third, Trump was accused of cheating by people who were actually cheating when they made those accusations, and when they lied to the FISA court to get warrants, and when they perpetuated their fraud on the American people. They sucked a lot of people in, and at the beginning some of the people who were duped weren't altogether stupid. However, there's still a small group of low-IQ extremists who are still clinging to the collusion debacle.

Everything in my earlier post stands, you hypocrite  Your “gut instinct” or “6th sense” or whatever it is you uneducated people believe guides you to the “real truth” in absence of all facts doesn’t actually exist. If you had any amount of intellectual ability you would say that either BOTH Trump and Clinton can be accused despite no conviction or NEITHER should be accused due to lack of conviction. Bit like a true hypocrite you want trumps lack of conviction to PROVE he’s innocent while Hillary’s lack of conviction is irrelevant because “you just know deep down” it’s true. Your hypocrisy is both a sign of your low educational attainment  and your blind  sheeplike mentality. 
 

17 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

And now you're just a bigot.

No need to go any further here.

In other words I’m dead on and you have no response so you desperately and falsely claim criticizing conservatives is bigotry now.  You’re so lame. 

[BeaverFever]

39 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Beaver, I'm still waiting for you to address my point about the fact that Democrats protest virtually every election they lose  while Republicans historically have not. You're practically frothing at the mouth because of Trump's claims but you're silent when I correctly point out that the Democrats do it all the time.

Have you been equally angry about any past claims of stolen elections made by the Democrats?<<<<My question to you.

I have many time now and you never responded to any of them.  Again this is a typical Republican reality-denying MO, where you ignore everyone disputing your claim and then say “nobody has even tried to dispute it”

Remember the analogy about a losing athlete disagreeing with ref while accepting the results is not the same as a losing athlete baselessly accusing the ref of taking bribes and the entire league of criminal corruption while offering zero evidence and demanding that they receive the trophy while launching dozens of baseless and unjustified lawsuits that cost taxpayers millions and fail at the very first stage due to lacking even basic legal standards, and then a bunch of the losing athlete’s fans try to storm league offices and murder league officials while the losing athlete eggs them on and continues to demand the trophy to this very day?

 I used that analogy twice in this forum in addition to other comments on your false comparisons to THE BIG LIE.  They are not even remotely the same.  How many time do I have to fucking repeat myself ?  Are you going to ignore this post too, @ironstone?

Edited January 29, 2022 by BeaverFever

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, BeaverFever said:

Uh no. Your attempts to permanently end US democracy and free and fair elections, are a completely different subject from some riots that came and went. 

OMG spare me the hyperbole/stupidity. What a joke.

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More than 700 coup attempters have been charged so far. And I did say it was hare-brained didn’t I?  The idiots actually thought that if they killed/captured enough Congressmen and publicly lynched Mike Pence in front  of his family we would just make Trump president and all would be water under the bridge   Others had less violent ideas to he sure but they all thought that somehow their assault would lead to Trump seizing power. 

Blah, blah, blah. I don't even know where you get that level of stupidity from. No one else says stupid shit like that aside from you. You are blueanon personified.

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Everything in my earlier post stands, you hypocrite

Nothing in your earlier post 'stands' aside from the fact that you showed how much of a bigot you are. 

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 In other words I’m dead on and you have no response so you desperately and falsely claim criticizing conservatives is bigotry now.  You’re so lame. 

I said that you were a bigot, and I quoted the part of your post where you made a bigoted comment. That stands as a statement of fact of fact, regardless of whether or not you understand your own bigotry. 

[BeaverFever]

7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

OMG spare me the hyperbole/stupidity. What a joke.

Blah, blah, blah. I don't even know where you get that level of stupidity from. No one else says stupid shit like that aside from you. You are blueanon personified.

Nothing in your earlier post 'stands' aside from the fact that you showed how much of a bigot you are. 

I said that you were a bigot, and I quoted the part of your post where you made a bigoted comment. That stands as a statement of fact of fact, regardless of whether or not you understand your own bigotry. 

So your post is lame generic insult, lame generic insult, lame generic insult  and then a demonstration that you have no idea what the word “bigot” means. I bet you really patted yourself on the back for that one!

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, BeaverFever said:

So your post is lame generic insult, lame generic insult, lame generic insult  and then a demonstration that you have no idea what the word “bigot” means. I bet you really patted yourself on the back for that one!

No, my post was a counter to your post, and it ended with actual proof of your bigotry. 

Sadly for you, even if you edit your own comment, it remains unchanged by the quote feature here, so the record of your bigotry won't just go away. 

[BeaverFever]

25 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

No, my post was a counter to your post, and it ended with actual proof of your bigotry. 

Sadly for you, even if you edit your own comment, it remains unchanged by the quote feature here, so the record of your bigotry won't just go away. 

There’s nothing bigoted about it.  But given your well-established grudges against women and Blacks that you’ve shared on this site, you’re probably the last one to understand what a bigot is.   Because you live in a world of funhouse mirrors. 

Edited January 29, 2022 by BeaverFever

[WestCanMan]

6 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

There’s nothing bigoted about i.  But given your well-established grudges against women and Blacks that you’ve shared on this site, you’re probably the last one to understand what a bigot is.   Because you live in a world of funhouse mirrors. 

You made a bigoted comment, I quoted it, you're proven to be a bigot.

Now you're making a serious and unsubstantiated accusation which I know that you can't back up, so you're proven to be a liar. 

[BeaverFever]

@WestCanMan

I did not make a bigoted comment. You just have no idea what a bigoted comment is. It’s that simple. 
 

Tell me again why women should not be allowed to serve in the military and tell me you’re not a bigot. Tell me again that systemic racism doesn’t exist and tell me you’re not a bigot   It doesn’t surprise me that you don’t think you’re a bigot, most bigots don’t. 

Edited January 29, 2022 by BeaverFever

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

In fact that’s the definition feature of conservatism: it’s not so much based on a set of logic, values or beliefs its based on blind worship and blind hatred. Regardless of facts, logic or values, Republicans believe that people in the first group are to admired, revered and believed without question, and people in the second group are subhumans to be despised, undeserving of even basic rights, and disbelieved without question.

 

5 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

@WestCanMan

I did not make a bigoted comment. You just have no idea what a bigoted comment is. It’s that simple. 

Your bigotry is quoted at the top, the definition of bigotry is shown below, and they're a perfect match.

Your comments display blatant bigotry, therefor you are a bigot.

This isn't a discussion or a debate, your post was a textbook case of bigotry. 

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big·ot

/ˈbiɡət/

Learn to pronounce

 

noun

 

1. a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.

 

[ironstone]

54 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

I have many time now and you never responded to any of them.  Again this is a typical Republican reality-denying MO, where you ignore everyone disputing your claim and then say “nobody has even tried to dispute it”

Remember the analogy about a losing athlete disagreeing with ref while accepting the results is not the same as a losing athlete baselessly accusing the ref of taking bribes and the entire league of criminal corruption while offering zero evidence and demanding that they receive the trophy while launching dozens of baseless and unjustified lawsuits that cost taxpayers millions and fail at the very first stage due to lacking even basic legal standards, and then a bunch of the losing athlete’s fans try to storm league offices and murder league officials while the losing athlete eggs them on and continues to demand the trophy to this very day?

 I used that analogy twice in this forum in addition to other comments on your false comparisons to THE BIG LIE.  They are not even remotely the same.  How many time do I have to fucking repeat myself ?  Are you going to ignore this post too, @ironstone?

How's that anger management course going??

As far as your sports analogy goes, in politics they can take legal action even if there is no chance the courts will do anything because people "might get angry".

I think everything should be thoroughly investigated right out in the open. Nothing to hide is there?

The Investigation Into Wisconsin’s Election Is More Critical Than Ever | MacIver Institute

“The practical effect of these massive, privately manipulated election-office funding disparities was to create a ‘shadow’ election system with a built-in structural bias that systematically favored Democratic voters over Republican voters,” Doyle’s analysis concluded.  “The massive influx of funds essentially created a high-powered, concierge-like get-out-the-vote effort for Biden that took place inside the election system, rather than attempting to influence it from the outside.

“We call this the injection of structural bias into the 2020 election, and our analysis shows it likely generated enough additional votes for Biden to secure an Electoral College victory in 2020.”

[ironstone]

15 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

@WestCanMan

I did not make a bigoted comment. You just have no idea what a bigoted comment is. It’s that simple. 
 

Tell me again why women should not be allowed to serve in the military and tell me you’re not a bigot. Tell me again that systemic racism doesn’t exist and tell me you’re not a bigot   It doesn’t surprise me that you don’t think you’re a bigot, most bigots don’t. 

Can you list examples of systemic racism?

[Charles Anthony]

Folks, 

Please stay on topic.  Avoid thread derailment. 

[ironstone]

This should  be an interesting film, due to be released this spring. It's about.. yes the 2020 election.

2000 Mules Trailer | A 2020 Election Illegal Vote Harvesting Ring (rumble.com)

[TreeBeard]

On 1/18/2022 at 8:33 AM, DogOnPorch said:

Of course it was stolen...fair n' square apparently. So nothing will be done.

How did they get to the Supreme Court justices?  Threaten their families?  Offer them bribes?