Divisive Dems

[BeaverFever]

On 12/20/2021 at 1:00 PM, WestCanMan said:

In a recent Axios poll which surveyed 850 college students across the USA (not a huge sample size IMO but whatever) they found that young people who identify as Democrats are completely prejudiced against those who identify as Republicans.

Their poll found that:

71% wouldn't go on a date with a Republican    [31% of Republicans wouldn't date a Dem either]

41% would boycott the business of a Republican [7%]

37% wouldn't be friends with a Republican [5%]

30% wouldn't work for a Republican [7%].

The poll never asked whether violence against supporters of the other party was ok but by the numbers it seems like they probably should have.

 

This is the damage done by the Dems' constant lies about white people and police.

The majority of Dem politicians are hate/fear mongers who are quite happy to incite violence in order to get votes. There are even TV show hosts on MSNBC (Joy Reid) and CNN (Don Lemon) who are openly racist against white people now. 

Joe Biden proclaimed for all to hear that he was going to be a president for all Americans but he hasn't done a thing to tone down the racism on the Dems' 24 hr 'news' channels or from the members of his government. 

 

Not like those open-minded inclusive non-partisan Republicans eh LMAO

 

Just the usual hypocritical Republican bullshit where Republicans complain that Democrats aren’t compromising with them enough, meanwhile the Republican party has a long and established track record of publicly vowing to never work with or compromise with Democrats 

Mitch McConnell and John Boehner literally held a press conference in 2010 to publicly declare that they would obstruct all Democrat initiatives for no reason other than the sole partisan purpose of making Obama a 1-term president

 

Edited January 9, 2022 by BeaverFever

[ironstone]

If the Democrats are not divisive, what have they done to unite the country? Identity politics is most certainly not a unifying initiative, pitting everyone against white people. Americans are demonstrably worse off now under Biden than they were under Trump.

America Better Off Under Biden or Trump? | Canada Free Press

Voters Know Biden Is Only Making Inflation Worse (townhall.com)

What is Joe Biden's biggest success to date? Does anyone believe he has more successes than failures?

[BeaverFever]

On 1/8/2022 at 7:59 AM, ironstone said:

If the Democrats are not divisive, what have they done to unite the country? Identity politics is most certainly not a unifying initiative, pitting everyone against white people. Americans are demonstrably worse off now under Biden than they were under Trump.

America Better Off Under Biden or Trump? | Canada Free Press

Voters Know Biden Is Only Making Inflation Worse (townhall.com)

What is Joe Biden's biggest success to date? Does anyone believe he has more successes than failures?

LMAO what a question. Republicans unilaterally ended bipartisanship and started dividing America during the final years of the Clinton administration with the launch of Fox News and the Monica Lewinsky scandal witch hunt. Democrats have been trying and failing to compromise with increasingly extremist Republicans ever since. 
 

When Obama was elected in a landslide he attempted to heal the nation’s division by inviting Republicans to form a White House advisory panel just as Abraham Lincoln did with his opponent to heal after the Civil War. Obama did this though he had just mopped the floor with Republicans in the election and owed them nothing. How DOD Republicans respond?  They publicly announced a boycott of the advisory panel, publicly declared an eternal jihad on Obama and Democrats and threatened to primary any Republicans who cooperate with Obama. Oh and they also repeated their birther lies right through both of Obama’s terms….the birther lie was the Republicans Big Lie before the current election Big Lie, and after the Iraq war WMD/Al Qaeda Big Lie (Republicans tell a lot of Big Lies). 
 

Republicans have been stoking division and identity politics with the ginned-up culture war issues like the phoney “war on Christmas” anti-immigrant hysteria, anti-Muslim hysteria, anti-liberal hysteria, anti/BLM hysteria  Republicans are the ultimate identity politicians because all of their opinions about events are not based on the facts of the event or on principles but instead on the identity of the people involved in that event, with the white conservative Christian male being at the top of your preferred identity hierarchy. Republicans have a long list of identities they despise (liberals, gays, immigrants, Muslims etc) whom they think don’t even deserve basic rights or fair treatment   

 

I don’t really care about your links to Republican propaganda blogs. You can’t prove Republicans are right with links to Republican sites any more than someone could prove Hitler was right by linking to Josef Goebbels speeches. 

[ironstone]

 Are Americans better off right now under Biden then they were under Trump?

[ironstone]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

LMAO what a question. Republicans unilaterally ended bipartisanship and started dividing America during the final years of the Clinton administration with the launch of Fox News and the Monica Lewinsky scandal witch hunt. Democrats have been trying and failing to compromise with increasingly extremist Republicans ever since. 
 

When Obama was elected in a landslide he attempted to heal the nation’s division by inviting Republicans to form a White House advisory panel just as Abraham Lincoln did with his opponent to heal after the Civil War. Obama did this though he had just mopped the floor with Republicans in the election and owed them nothing. How DOD Republicans respond?  They publicly announced a boycott of the advisory panel, publicly declared an eternal jihad on Obama and Democrats and threatened to primary any Republicans who cooperate with Obama. Oh and they also repeated their birther lies right through both of Obama’s terms….the birther lie was the Republicans Big Lie before the current election Big Lie, and after the Iraq war WMD/Al Qaeda Big Lie (Republicans tell a lot of Big Lies). 
 

Republicans have been stoking division and identity politics with the ginned-up culture war issues like the phoney “war on Christmas” anti-immigrant hysteria, anti-Muslim hysteria, anti-liberal hysteria, anti/BLM hysteria  Republicans are the ultimate identity politicians because all of their opinions about events are not based on the facts of the event or on principles but instead on the identity of the people involved in that event, with the white conservative Christian male being at the top of your preferred identity hierarchy. Republicans have a long list of identities they despise (liberals, gays, immigrants, Muslims etc) whom they think don’t even deserve basic rights or fair treatment   

 

I don’t really care about your links to Republican propaganda blogs. You can’t prove Republicans are right with links to Republican sites any more than someone could prove Hitler was right by linking to Josef Goebbels speeches. 

The great Obama weaponized federal agencies against his opponents in case you have forgotten. Not exactly a unifying gesture is it?

[BeaverFever]

18 minutes ago, ironstone said:

 Are Americans better off right now under Biden then they were under Trump?

Still too early too early for there to he any change yet the first year is mostly planning and staffing up. But that said yes America is better off with Trump out of the White House 

[BeaverFever]

3 minutes ago, ironstone said:

The great Obama weaponized federal agencies against his opponents in case you have forgotten. Not exactly a unifying gesture is it?

Sounds like more vague bullshit and conspiracy theories. Can you be more specific?

[ironstone]

5 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Sounds like more vague bullshit and conspiracy theories. Can you be more specific?

The IRS targeted conservative groups.

IRS apologizes for targeting conservative groups (nbcnews.com)

Lois Lerner, head of the IRS at the time pleads the 5th  when asked about it.

Of course you're aware that the FBI(Obama) spied on Trump's campaign without justification. The whole thing was based on false evidence( Christopher Steele, Fusion GPS, Hillary ).

Intelligence agencies spying on Americans?

NSA surveillance exposed by Snowden was illegal, court rules seven years on | Edward Snowden | The Guardian

[ironstone]

53 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Still too early too early for there to he any change yet the first year is mostly planning and staffing up. But that said yes America is better off with Trump out of the White House 

Are americans financially better off now under Biden than Trump? Even with inflation the highest it's been in around 4 decades? If they are truly better off now, why is that not reflected in Biden's approval ratings? Biden has the huge advantage of the MSM carrying him and covering for him. Not to forget having the tech giants firmly on his side helping so suppress his detractors.

[WestCanMan]

On 1/7/2022 at 10:45 PM, BeaverFever said:

Not like those open-minded inclusive non-partisan Republicans eh LMAO

Just the usual hypocritical Republican bullshit where Republicans complain that Democrats aren’t compromising with them enough, meanwhile the Republican party has a long and established track record of publicly vowing to never work with or compromise with Democrats 

Mitch McConnell and John Boehner literally held a press conference in 2010 to publicly declare that they would obstruct all Democrat initiatives for no reason other than the sole partisan purpose of making Obama a 1-term president

What should they work on with the Democrats? Ignoring inflation? Repealing laws against shoplifting, rioting, looting, assault, and arson? Defunding police? Fraud-friendly election reforms? Opening up the border to human traffickers and drug smugglers? Slandering Kyle Rittenhouse? Should they be praising the amazing Afghanistan withdrawal and all of the Americans stranded or killed there? Lying about elections? Helping Joe's family peddle influence in China and Ukraine? Helping Russia build a pipeline to Germany? COVID hypocrisy/stupidity? Shutting down energy production in North America to drive up the price of energy here and make Americans more reliant on the ME for oil?

Oh geez, there are so many worthwhile causes to band together for, where should they even start? 

[suds]

There's a relatively small number of voters in the center (call them the real moderates if you want) that decide US elections. Polls taken from less than 2 years ago offer substantial evidence that if it wasn't for covid, Trump was on his way to win handily in 2020. Biden ran as a moderate (and uniter) which appealed to the moderates, but since taking office has been anything but. Biden's polling numbers on things that average americans really care about, such as covid, economy, crime, law enforcement, education, inflation, border/immigration, have tanked. Kamala Harris' polling numbers are even worse. Democrats are beginning to realize they're in big trouble. Not only are they losing the votes of those in the centre, they're losing support from hispanics and blacks which will not only affect the elections in 2022 and 2024, but for a generation to come. 10 years ago i could never envision anything like this happening. But it is happening, and right before our very eyes. And it's the democrats own doing. Those in the center who decide these elections aren't pleased.

 

[ironstone]

The real "Big Lie" of the 2020 election was that Joe Biden ran as a moderate that would work to unite the country.

Based on the state of the economy and the radicals appointed by Biden, it's more like a Bernie Sanders administration. 

Not working out so well at all.

[suds]

8 minutes ago, ironstone said:

The real "Big Lie" of the 2020 election was that Joe Biden ran as a moderate that would work to unite the country.

Based on the state of the economy and the radicals appointed by Biden, it's more like a Bernie Sanders administration. 

Not working out so well at all.

They'll leave commie Joe in for a while longer until all the dirty work is done.  Then Joe gets the hook with a $50 million book signing deal with some publisher (fiction of course). Slide in Kamala who might be a tad better, or bring in a real moderate and hope the public doesn't realize they've just been played.

[BeaverFever]

3 hours ago, ironstone said:

The IRS targeted conservative groups.

IRS apologizes for targeting conservative groups (nbcnews.com)

Lois Lerner, head of the IRS at the time pleads the 5th  when asked about it.

Of course you're aware that the FBI(Obama) spied on Trump's campaign without justification. The whole thing was based on false evidence( Christopher Steele, Fusion GPS, Hillary ).

Intelligence agencies spying on Americans?

NSA surveillance exposed by Snowden was illegal, court rules seven years on | Edward Snowden | The Guardian

More selective truth telling 

 

1) FACT: There is no evidence Obama directed any of IRS activity. 
 

2) FACT:  Conservatives claimed that they were specifically targeted by the IRS, but an exhaustive report released by the Treasury Department's Inspector General in 2017 found that from 2004 to 2013, the IRS used both conservative and liberal keywords to choose targets for further scrutiny.^[1][2]

3) FACT:  Surveillance of Trumps campaign was not baseless Trump’s people were sneaking around with Russians and blabbing about it then lied to authorities about it. 
 

4) FACT:  NSA a surveillance was not directed by Obama nor dis it startt under Obama. Have you forgotten all about the Bush years and the Patriot Act and “you’re with us or you’re with the terrorists”?

[BeaverFever]

3 hours ago, ironstone said:

Are americans financially better off now under Biden than Trump? Even with inflation the highest it's been in around 4 decades? If they are truly better off now, why is that not reflected in Biden's approval ratings? Biden has the huge advantage of the MSM carrying him and covering for him. Not to forget having the tech giants firmly on his side helping so suppress his detractors.

Inflation is happening all over the world, why would it only be Bidens fault?  You guys need to understand that President is not a wizard who controls the economy.  In fact compared to most heads of government and our own prime minister the POTUS is fairly weak since they have to get Congress to go along with anything. 
 

Besides unemployment is extremely low and wages are high and it’s a job-seeker’s market so there’s am upside too.  Worker’s gains in income have exceeded inflation for most items. I get that it’s to your partisan advantage to pretend the economy is demonstrably worse than when Trump left office but overall they are same-to better depending on individual circumstances. 
 

Lastly the fact that his approval rating remains at Trump levels kind of proves the MSM and tech giant’s aren’t covering for him, it’s just more bullshit conspiracy theory. 

[BeaverFever]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

What should they work on with the Democrats? Ignoring inflation? Repealing laws against shoplifting, rioting, looting, assault, and arson? Defunding police? Fraud-friendly election reforms? Opening up the border to human traffickers and drug smugglers? Slandering Kyle Rittenhouse? Should they be praising the amazing Afghanistan withdrawal and all of the Americans stranded or killed there? Lying about elections? Helping Joe's family peddle influence in China and Ukraine? Helping Russia build a pipeline to Germany? COVID hypocrisy/stupidity? Shutting down energy production in North America to drive up the price of energy here and make Americans more reliant on the ME for oil?

Oh geez, there are so many worthwhile causes to band together for, where should they even start? 

So just a list  of bullshit lies mostly.
 

I’ll agree that Joe shit the bed on the Afghanistan withdrawal however because unlike Republicans I’m capable of that kind of adult thinking.

[BeaverFever]

3 hours ago, suds said:

Polls taken from less than 2 years ago offer substantial evidence that if it wasn't for covid, Trump was on his way to win handily in 2020

False.  Trump was historically  unpopular throughout his term and never expanded beyond his original base   The only question for 2020 was whether moderate and luke-warm Democrat voters and progressive Bernie voters would turn out on election day or sit the election out again like they sat out for Hillary   Trump was vile enough that they turned out for the Dems. 
 

 

 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

So just a list  of bullshit lies mostly.

There's plenty of room left on the Repolitics server for you to name some specific instances where I was bullshitting, and we both know for a fact that if you had something you'd crow about it all day.

Thanks for comin' out buddy. 

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I’ll agree that Joe shit the bed on the Afghanistan withdrawal 

Wow. Can you find a leftist news source that says as much? 

[suds]

50 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

False.  Trump was historically  unpopular throughout his term and never expanded beyond his original base   The only question for 2020 was whether moderate and luke-warm Democrat voters and progressive Bernie voters would turn out on election day or sit the election out again like they sat out for Hillary   Trump was vile enough that they turned out for the Dems. 
 

 

 

Trump's approval ratings (49%) were the highest in his 4 year term during the first 5 months of 2020. And this was in the midst of his first impeachment and the onset of  covid-19.  I'm not going to argue with you but it's obvious to me that he was on a roll and the democrats used the coronavirus to derail him. Didn't Biden promise to shut down the virus?  Yeah, right.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx

[BeaverFever]

17 minutes ago, suds said:

Trump's approval ratings (49%) were the highest in his 4 year term during the first 5 months of 2020. And this was in the midst of his first impeachment and the onset of  covid-19.  I'm not going to argue with you but it's obvious to me that he was on a roll and the democrats used the coronavirus to derail him. Didn't Biden promise to shut down the virus?  Yeah, right.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx

49% all time high is still pretty low and not much different than when he first took office. His approval tanked during covid because he horribly mismanaged it, got covid himself and started undermining the fight against covid and the experts while peddling quack cures like HCQ.  Remember when we were only a couple weeks into the pandemic and Trump started  demanding that if the governors don’t lift all their public health restrictions by Easter “he will overrule them”?  The fucking idiot thought that the president is like a king of America who can overrule state governments on state maters. And then he said covid would go away all on its own in April with the warm weather. The guy is a total moron   
 

Meanwhile Biden did not claim to have a magic wand that would magically make COViD go away in his first year. He said they will follow the advice of the experts to fight the virus and they will win

Edited January 10, 2022 by BeaverFever

[BeaverFever]

23 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

There's plenty of room left on the Repolitics server for you to name some specific instances where I was bullshitting, and we both know for a fact that if you had something you'd crow about it all day.

Thanks for comin' out buddy. 

Wow. Can you find a leftist news source that says as much? 

Yeah you can find criticism of Bidens handling of Afghanistan  in just about any and every mess source. Just crawl out of your propaganda hole and open your eyes man

 

Well mostly you just repeat Republican propaganda that I’m sure you wholeheartedly believe to be true but is actually bullshit.  

[suds]

8 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

49% all time high is still pretty low and not much different than when he first took office. His approval tanked during covid because he horribly mismanaged it, got covid himself and started undermining the fight against covid and the experts while peddling quack cures like HCQ.  Remember when we were only a couple weeks into the pandemic and Trump started  demanding that if the governors don’t lift all their public health restrictions by Easter “he will overrule them”?  The fucking idiot thought that the president is like a king of America who can overrule state governments on state maters. And then he said covid would go away all on its own in April with the warm weather. The guy is a total moron   
 

Meanwhile Biden did not claim to have a magic wand that would magically make COViD go away in his first year. He said they will fight the virus and they will win

You can also look at this another way.  By election time trump's approval rating was about 43% (6% lower) and the election was a lot closer than it looked.  Trump had a chance of beating Biden even at 43%.  In fact everything was close.  The senate was a tie, and the republicans picked up a number of seats in the house. 

[Colin Norris]

On 12/21/2021 at 5:00 AM, WestCanMan said:

In a recent Axios poll which surveyed 850 college students across the USA (not a huge sample size IMO but whatever) they found that young people who identify as Democrats are completely prejudiced against those who identify as Republicans.

Their poll found that:

71% wouldn't go on a date with a Republican    [31% of Republicans wouldn't date a Dem either]

41% would boycott the business of a Republican [7%]

37% wouldn't be friends with a Republican [5%]

30% wouldn't work for a Republican [7%].

The poll never asked whether violence against supporters of the other party was ok but by the numbers it seems like they probably should have.

 

This is the damage done by the Dems' constant lies about white people and police.

The majority of Dem politicians are hate/fear mongers who are quite happy to incite violence in order to get votes. There are even TV show hosts on MSNBC (Joy Reid) and CNN (Don Lemon) who are openly racist against white people now. 

Joe Biden proclaimed for all to hear that he was going to be a president for all Americans but he hasn't done a thing to tone down the racism on the Dems' 24 hr 'news' channels or from the members of his government. 

 

And you think that republicans are any different? 

No one hates like republicans.  

[Colin Norris]

On 1/8/2022 at 11:59 PM, ironstone said:

If the Democrats are not divisive, what have they done to unite the country? Identity politics is most certainly not a unifying initiative, pitting everyone against white people. Americans are demonstrably worse off now under Biden than they were under Trump.

America Better Off Under Biden or Trump? | Canada Free Press

Voters Know Biden Is Only Making Inflation Worse (townhall.com)

What is Joe Biden's biggest success to date? Does anyone believe he has more successes than failures?

The division started When trump played to republican fears and hatred in his campaign. The numb skulls who worship him sponged it all up and ran with it. 

Blacks, Mexicans, Hilary,the wall, the debt  etc. 

All pet hates of repupublicans. 

[Nationalist]

On 12/21/2021 at 11:41 AM, eyeball said:

I doubt the summary is as blunt as that.  There are probably a lot who simply don't want to be faced with the unmitigated uncompromising contempt so much Republican thought is imbued with and would rather cross the street than cross paths with it.

Perhaps conservatives don't realize just how tiresome it gets trying to communicate with people who can't seem to help but pepper just about everything they talk about with references to Bolshevism, commies, radicals and authoritarianism...its hopeless.

If the shoe fits...