Ontario needs to invest in EVs as a realistic Option.

[herbie]

If they had dashcams decades ago I could've posted the jacked up 1979 Bronco spiining all 4 wheels while sliding downhill on the wrong side of Boundary Rd while I cruised up the hill effortlessly in a 94 2wd Caravan. And that wasn't staged.
You can't make the Cybertruck look any worse than Elon did..... the Aztech of the 2020s...

In 2023 over 1 out of 5 of car sales were EVs 20.2%. Now Tesla is worrying that they actually have a little extra stock... oh no,,, prices might come down if just anyone can get one.

[Legato]

On 5/25/2024 at 4:31 PM, herbie said:

Oh that proves EVs are no good? You tried to do a 16 hour trip in the absolute worst, so bad they stopped production and recalled them all, slapped together GM response to an EV mandate.

Yeah we used to do long shots like that Vancouver to Thunderbay non stop when we were 20. Didn't think we proved much doing so. Used to drive lots Williams Lake - Vancouver and Prince George - Vancouver, which are easily doable in a Tesla. Specially as I'm not doing any 10 hour drives and will stop overnight anyway.

You do know even a long haul driver that's getting paid to drive isn't allowed to go 16 hours? Shit like that's an 'adventure' not normal driving.

Now tell me why if you  live in Abbotsford and work in Vancouver, why the hell you're too stubborn to consider driving a Chevy Bolt?
Repeat: most people live in the city, most couples have 2 cars, they're not that much more and you save in the long run so not even considering an EV or PHEV for one is total brain lock, not common sense.
Of course the cheapest option is the car you already got - so running out and getting a loan to buy a new EV makes zero sense, but NOT thinking about what replaces it when it croaks makes even less. Then again, when people buy cars sense doesn't even enter the equation, they buy what they want.

- And this "woke" shit is nonsense, seems anything that goes against buttheaded, sheer stubborness to change or adjust anything people don't want to is labelled 'woke'. Lumping EVs into the usual rightwing woke whine just makes that subject even more meaningless.

Been doing that same trip for over 25 years and that was the first time it took so long and cost us more than a real car.

What was more annoying was the tire noise and incessant whine from the drive train. Even the hotel had no charging stations So the smug "look at me I'm driving an EV" soon wore off when reality set in..

[taxme]

On 8/15/2021 at 3:25 PM, ironstone said:

Electric cars will change the way we live and how we use our time. I can get almost 800km of range in a couple of minutes with my compact car while I see that an expensive Tesla will get only 200 miles of range after 15 minutes of supercharging. The bottom line is that people will be spending an awful lot more time waiting around to recharge. I have to wonder where all the electricity will come from as well. Wind turbines and solar panels?

The dirty secret of electric vehicles | World Economic Forum (weforum.org)

David Booth: What happens when there's just too many Teslas? | Driving

I have to try and visualize as to what the country will look like when there are tens of millions of those charging units installed all over the streets of Canada and everywhere else? I cannot see myself standing around and waiting for my EV to charge up for a half hour. I will stick with my ICE vehicle. A more reliable vehicle to own. Less then 10 minutes to fill it up and away i go. 

Or just how can someone who has to park his EV on the street suppose to be able to charge up their EV battery if there is no charging unit or plug available close by to where they live? 

The EV push is just another part of the WEF globalist plans to make EV's and confine those EV vehicles to city life only. They are hoping that you will fall for their EV bullshit and get some people to get rid of their ICE vehicles. No more nice long vacation trips anymore. No more nice long trips to the country or to the Yukon or Alaska any longer. I doubt that we will see thousands of EV charging units on the way to the Yukon or Alaska. 

Those EV charging units are breaking down all the time. Some EV vehicles are even catching fire. EV sales are way done, and those EV's are piling up in the big carmakers fields. They may try to make you believe that EV's are the cars of the future but they are lying to us all. They have a very long way to go to convince me that an EV is what i really need. 😇

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

If they had dashcams decades ago I could've posted the jacked up 1979 Bronco spiining all 4 wheels while sliding downhill on the wrong side of Boundary Rd while I cruised up the hill effortlessly in a 94 2wd Caravan. And that wasn't staged.

Sure kiddo  

[CdnFox]

Fewer than half of Canadians want to buy EVs as popularity declines | True North (tnc.news)

For the second year in a row, Canadians’ interest in electric vehicles has declined, with fewer than half of Canadians now saying they plan to make their next car purchase an electric vehicle.

“Overall, while almost half of non-EV owners are open to buying an EV for their next vehicle, interest in EVs has declined for the second year in a row, from 68% in 2022 to 56% in 2023,” said Tiffany Ding, director of insights and intelligence at AutoTrader.

Canadians who were not interested in buying an EV for their next vehicle cited concerns of limited long-distance travel, higher purchasing costs, and the “inadequate availability of charging stations.”

Another primary concern with EVs was their capabilities – or lack thereof – in colder temperatures. 

 

 

The technology is just not there yet. Someday. Not today.

[exPS]

On 8/9/2021 at 7:17 PM, Shady said:

Until you realize what goes into manufacturing electric vehicles and their batteries.

Exactly. The pro EV group never worked in a lab and are nothing but artsie-fartsies.

[exPS]

And this YouTube video by this GM engineer is a hoot...

Clueless Engineer

[Boges]

17 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Well you're not telling the truth here at some point. If you are making modifications to the strata corporations electrical grid without advising them or getting permission you're breaking the law. It's that simple.  If you're trying to tell me that you live in a strata Corporation but have independent electrical provisioning that doesn't have anything to do with the strata property then I would have to say that is so unlikely that I would be tempted to say you are being misleading. At the absolute very least you are like the only one in Canada.

Strata corporations control and own the common infrastructure which includes the electrical. It is absolutely not possible to lawfully upgrade the strata corporations infrastructure without the permission of the strata Corporation.

I have my own Meter and Circuit breaker. 

I could run my AC 24/7 at 16 degrees and use more electricity than I do when using my EV. What could the Condo board say about that? I would still have to pay the Hydro provider. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

I have my own Meter and Circuit breaker. 

 

And magic pixies provide the power lines to that circuit breaker? So you were lying, you do bring your power across the condo's power grid. 

2 hours ago, Boges said:

I could run my AC 24/7 at 16 degrees and use more electricity than I do when using my EV. What could the Condo board say about that?

They could ban the use of air conditioners and say you have to get rid of yours. Newsflash btw - for the longest time that's how it's been at many condos.  

Why don't you at least do 10 seconds of research before you say something?  Are you deliberately trying to look like you're uneducated or dishonest?

In fact in bc the problem is significant enough that they just passed a law to require condo boards to obtain an electrical audit for ev and air conditioner capacity to try to come up with bylaws that try to maximize the capacity they have.  Because they're not enough at any of them. 

Honestly.  It's pretty clear you think there isn't a problem due to a lack of education, not because there isn't a problem. 

[Legato]

A tesla truck after 10 years in San Francisco.

 

[ironstone]

More ups and downs for EV's, Hertz and China's long term ambitions.

 

 

Edited May 28, 2024 by ironstone

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3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And magic pixies provide the power lines to that circuit breaker? So you were lying, you do bring your power across the condo's power grid. 

They could ban the use of air conditioners and say you have to get rid of yours. Newsflash btw - for the longest time that's how it's been at many condos.  

Why don't you at least do 10 seconds of research before you say something?  Are you deliberately trying to look like you're uneducated or dishonest?

In fact in bc the problem is significant enough that they just passed a law to require condo boards to obtain an electrical audit for ev and air conditioner capacity to try to come up with bylaws that try to maximize the capacity they have.  Because they're not enough at any of them. 

Honestly.  It's pretty clear you think there isn't a problem due to a lack of education, not because there isn't a problem. 

Actually the condos electrical costs are a separate line item on the Condo's budget for things like street lights etc. 

You're such an angry man. I'm telling you my experience.

I think you're confusing Condos with Condo buildings that share electrical connections. 

A cap on electrical usage has never been communicated. 

 

[herbie]

HYDROGEN DELAY:
 

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Completion of what has been dubbed the "world’s largest hydrogen refuelling station" has been moved further down the road.

Hydra Energy spokesperson Katherine Arnett confirmed Monday that its refuelling station and hydrogen production facility is now slated to be open by fall 2026. It had previously been scheduled for completion by early this year.

"Hydra's flagship refuelling station in P.G. is still on track, and while our team has made a lot of progress the reality is that the project requires a few long lead items and new requirements from BCER (BC Environmental Review) that have slowed down the schedule," Arnett said in an email. 

Let's just surrender hydrogen to China too?

 

BC govt was talking about building a "hydrogen highway" from Vancouver to Whistler in 2007. 17 years later, dragging their feet on the subject.

 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Boges said:

Actually the condos electrical costs are a separate line item on the Condo's budget for things like street lights etc. 

But the wiring and infrastructure belongs to the strata.  How are you this dense?  Everybody has their own meter but it goes through the electrical main boxes owned by and maintained by the strata and if you overload that by too many people drawing on it you get brown outs or blown breakers or other damage. Which means the strata has to call someone out to do repairs and reset things. In the meantime the others who share that circuit bank with you are without power. 

You do understand electricity travels over wires right? It doesn't just show up at your meter FFS. 

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You're such an angry man. I'm telling you my experience.

Stupidity ticks me off.  And no - you're not telling me about your experiences.  You're completely bullshitting that stratas some how are not involved with the provision of electrical services to your unit. They are. And you're suggesting that everyone can just order a charger from amazon and plug it in with no extra costs, which they can't.  And that strata may say 'sorry can't do that' which is 100 percent true, they can.  And they'll have to if more than a few people put a phase 2 charger in. Unless they make other modifications. 

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I think you're confusing Condos with Condo buildings that share electrical connections. 

No, i am not. This is an area of expertise for me.  I am 100 percent correct, i guarantee it. Townhouses and condominiums share electrical infrastructure. Hydro does not run power to each unit individually, they run it to the strata, it's distributed to the main breaker boxes in the case of at town house which is inside a little shed thing, usually 3 or 4 per strata complex depending on the size, and then it runs to the individual homes. The individual homes will have meters either at the home or in the electrical room and the utility charges from there but the infrastructure still belongs to the strata and it's limited to whatever the developer put in. That infrastructure does not belong  to hydro and it was never designed to allow for ev use and in many parts of the country it wasn't even designed to allow for extensive air conditioner use. 

There might be some sort of weird bare land strata that gets power directly but there would only be a handful in all of canada and they're specifically referred to as 'bare land'. 99.9  percent of the stratas out there work as i just said. 

BTW  just for your own knowledge, each unit in an apartment tower ALSO has their own electric meter. 

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A cap on electrical usage has never been communicated. 

Probably because not everybody is charging an ev.  So it hasn't been a problem. 

But that does NOT mean that it won't be a major problem if even half the people are running ev's. Your strata would have to come up with some species of load balancing strategy based on their wiring and what it can support that would stretch that out, but then you'll have slower charging some times. 

It is no different than an electrical circuit in your home. Your breaker box distributes power to 3 or 4 outlets, you can plug only so many things into those outlets before the breaker blows.  And if you complain to the utility about it they're going to say 'that's how your home was destigned, you'd have to get an electrician to upgrade your internal services for you. 

So as a parent with bills to pay you'll probably tell the kids to stop plugging that much crap into the outlets. Rather than pay thousands for an electrical upgrade. 

[Guest]

On 5/28/2024 at 7:52 PM, CdnFox said:

you're suggesting that everyone can just order a charger from amazon and plug it in

Sure you can. I would be weary of the fire risk of it not being installed by a licensed electrician who does it to specifications, but sure you can jury rig your way to cheaper fuel.

I had a friend who installed their own pot lights. Sure they weren't flush, and the quick fix was a blob of high heat silicone that brought more attention to the horrific job, but his labor charge was free. Sketchy wiring and all. 

Reality is, it costs thousands to add a charger to your home professionally. 

Live in a sketchy neighborhood, and you risk having your charger stolen if its one that plugs into a standard outlet. These things easily go for 400 to 500$.

On 5/28/2024 at 12:13 PM, Legato said:

A tesla truck after 10 years in San Francisco.

Fittingly, I must highlight, it looks like an aerodynamic dumpster.

On 5/27/2024 at 7:54 PM, CdnFox said:

The technology is just not there yet. Someday. Not today.

I don't understand how stating this makes one anti climate change.

I will buy a car that does what I need it to. A car isn't a cheap investment. People can't be guilt tripped or shamed into buying one that doesn't fit their needs.

Remove the anxieties people have about these vehicles, and they will literally sell themselves.

I would much rather the "inconvenience" of sitting in my car for 15 minutes for an oil change twice a year, than having to wait for 15 minutes to fuel up my car to 80% at the quickest possible type of charger.

Of course I can't fuel it fully, as would be depleting my batteries quicker.

Do so, and replace them at the cost of a pretty decent ICE vehicle.

Maintain your ICE well, and you should be able to get a solid 300K kilometers out of it.

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54 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Sure you can. I would be weary of the fire risk of it not being installed by a licensed electrician who does it to specifications, but sure you can jury rig your way to cheaper fuel.

I had a friend who installed their own pot lights. Sure they weren't flush, and the quick fix was a blob of high heat silicone that brought more attention to the horrific job, but his labor charge was free. Sketchy wiring and all. 

Reality is, it costs thousands to add a charger to your home professionally. 

Live in a sketchy neighborhood, and you risk having your charger stolen if its one that plugs into a standard outlet. These things easily go for 400 to 500$.

The charger is just the tool to get the electricity in the car. The "actual" charger is in the car. Most of the cost of a charger is for the heavy duty cables. 

This video explains it well. 

 

You need the electrician to get a proper Nema 40 plug installed. 

These expensive chargers are overkill as all the charging information comes from the car. 

[Guest]

30 minutes ago, Boges said:

Most of the cost of a charger is for the heavy duty cables. 

Yeah, copper isn't cheap. 

But if your car comes with one and you're in a bad neighborhood or urban/dense one, I don't see how it would be a good idea to plug overnight due to the high risk of theft.

I just laugh at those who are out of touch seeing they have a house and luxuries most Canadians can only dream of, that somehow they should also get in line and buy into technologies that they couldn't afford in their lifetimes.

EV repairs are insanely expensive. 

Some make the technology to be devoid of issues, which isn't true.

I have had to take my highly reliable car for repairs due to malfunctioning parts. 

Its cheap to fix most ICEs. Parts are readily available for the major brands, and it makes more sense to buy one now. 

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3 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Yeah, copper isn't cheap. 

But if your car comes with one and you're in a bad neighborhood or urban/dense one, I don't see how it would be a good idea to plug overnight due to the high risk of theft.

I just laugh at those who are out of touch seeing they have a house and luxuries most Canadians can only dream of, that somehow they should also get in line and buy into technologies that they couldn't afford in their lifetimes.

EV repairs are insanely expensive. 

Some make the technology to be devoid of issues, which isn't true.

I have had to take my highly reliable car for repairs due to malfunctioning parts. 

Its cheap to fix most ICEs. Parts are readily available for the major brands, and it makes more sense to buy one now. 

I guess if your NEMA 40 plug is outside that would be an issue. 

Mine is in my garage and the cord is run under the garage door. It's sturdy enough that the weight of the garage doesn't damage it. They're also weather proof. 

One of the features EVs have is that they lock the charger when in use so it's impossible to unplug the charger from the car when in use. The only way is to shut off the charger from the car or the source. And uplugging the charger from the wall while in use isn't all that safe as it's got 30 amps running through it. The safe method is to shut down the charging session from the car. 

An EV is a car. I had an issue where the alarm went off at night and the electronics thought the door was open. It turned out to be a faulty door latch. So not something that couldn't happen with a modern ICE vehicle. 

I had an issue with coolant needing to be replaced, that was covered under warrant. 

I've also changed tires. So there are maintenance costs. But I don't have to regularly get fluid replaced and the brakes get far less usage due to the regenerative breaking. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

But I don't have to regularly get fluid replaced and the brakes get far less usage due to the regenerative breaking. 

If you fix your own car, the costs are low on an ICE.

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6 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

If you fix your own car, the costs are low on an ICE.

Now that's becoming a rarity as well.

Automakers are making it very difficult to tinker with your own car. I remember my last fully ICE car kept giving my the Check Engine Light for a knock sensor. I don't miss those days. 

But even on my EV, I'm able to replace my own Cabin Air filter 😆

 

 

[herbie]

Ontario's Domination of Global EV Manufacturing Benefits Us All

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/michael-taube-ontarios-domination-of-global-ev-manufacturing-benefits-us-all

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Canada displaced China at the top of BloombergNEF’s latest annual global lithium-ion battery supply chain ranking

 

 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Sure you can. I would be weary of the fire risk of it not being installed by a licensed electrician who does it to specifications, but sure you can jury rig your way to cheaper fuel.

I had a friend who installed their own pot lights. Sure they weren't flush, and the quick fix was a blob of high heat silicone that brought more attention to the horrific job, but his labor charge was free. Sketchy wiring and all. 

Reality is, it costs thousands to add a charger to your home professionally. 

Live in a sketchy neighborhood, and you risk having your charger stolen if its one that plugs into a standard outlet. These things easily go for 400 to 500$.

Fittingly, I must highlight, it looks like an aerodynamic dumpster.

 

lolol  

well many areas would require a permit for the installation of a charger like this so if You want to do it legally then there's a cost it's not quite as easy  

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 I don't understand how stating t  ./his makes one anti climate change.

. honestly, I Don't know.. I feel Like they think anything that Isn't excessively positive is viewed as being an attack. Like some people are more interested in defending the ideology than actually examining the issue

 

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Ontario's Domination of Global EV Manufacturing Benefits Us All

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/michael-taube-ontarios-domination-of-global-ev-manufacturing-benefits-us-all

 

Being at the top of what appears to be a stagnating market does not benefit us very much at all. When we had to pay many 10s of billions of dollars in revenue to make that happen

[Guest]

10 hours ago, Boges said:

Now that's becoming a rarity as well.

I don't see how thats a good thing. Kind of like being unable to remove a cellphone battery. This just allows the automaker to charge you high rates to fix things that don't work. 

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On 5/31/2024 at 9:47 PM, Perspektiv said:

I don't see how thats a good thing. Kind of like being unable to remove a cellphone battery. This just allows the automaker to charge you high rates to fix things that don't work. 

Capitalism FTW. 

Cars last 10+ years. Don't need maintenance more than one or two a year. Everything is automatic.

They have to make their money somehow. 

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, Boges said:

Capitalism FTW. 

Cars last 10+ years. Don't need maintenance more than one or two a year. Everything is automatic.

They have to make their money somehow. 

Are you kidding?

THe vast majority of the money made from cars comes from servicing them and repairing them. If you built a car by buying the parts it would cost about 5  to 10 times as much as it did new. 

cars absolutely need maintenance. And they last a lot longer than 10 years. well  -  ice ones do anyway. i guess we'll see about EV's. (my truck is semi retired but 22 years old and still works very well. )