New emerging fuel ,looks promising and could be the next fuel we transition to.

[Army Guy]

This should be research that Justins new build back better could go towards, getting in on the ground floor could be profitable for Canada, and good for the climate. i hope this is the break we are looking for, if not perhaps a stepping stone that leads to something else. 

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he superfuel duo is hydrogen and ammonia, and their “green” versions are positioned to be the only earthly fuels that produce zero emissions when burned. That makes them the emerging keys to the world’s carbon emissions goals …

The Green Superfuel That Could Disrupt Global Energy Markers - Global Investment Daily

[Infidel Dog]

Wouldn't that be great, but did you see the disclaimer at the bottom?

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Still...one can cross their fingers and hope.

[Infidel Dog]

I like the idea though because it doesn't appear to involve rare earth metals. That would slow China down some.

[Aristides]

Couple of things about liquid hydrogen.

!: Its boiling point is -252C. 

2: While its energy density by weight is a bit higher than petroleum fuels, its density by volume is 1/4 that of petroleum fuels. So, while it wouldn't require any more weight of fuel to go the same distance, it would require tanks four times the size.

[Army Guy]

20 hours ago, Aristides said:

Couple of things about liquid hydrogen.

!: Its boiling point is -252C. 

2: While its energy density by weight is a bit higher than petroleum fuels, its density by volume is 1/4 that of petroleum fuels. So, while it wouldn't require any more weight of fuel to go the same distance, it would require tanks four times the size.

Thats where the ammonia comes in, the article explains it better than i could, it no longer needs a high pressure tank, just one made of normal metal. 

[OftenWrong]

Sounds like a buncha cold fusion to me.

I got some primo swamp land for sale

Step right up

 

[Aristides]

15 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Thats where the ammonia comes in, the article explains it better than i could, it no longer needs a high pressure tank, just one made of normal metal. 

 

Interesting, as long as volume is not a factor it could be quite useful.

[WestCanMan]

If this is in any way legitimate it is an enormous game-changer.

Elon Musk & the ME'ers must be shitting their pants right now.

From Elon's POV, there are a lot of problems with EVs that environmentally conscious people are willing to overlook right now because they have no other viable non-petro option, but the ammonia-hydrogen combo apparently has no such obstacles.

There are no dirty battery issues, no $10,000 battery replacements, no range issues because extended charging sessions are necessary, and when there's a heat wave the government won't be telling you not to gas up your ammonia-hydrogen car.

As far as the major car companies are concerned, this is right up their alley - another internal-combustion engine. "CHECK OUT THE 2025 CLEAN CORVETTE WITH 818 HP AND NO CATALYTIC CONVERTER!"

Good luck selling Teslas if this is legit. I wouldn't buy Tesla stock right now with Trudeau's money.

 

For the MEers like SA and Iran this is a huge blow. The world's dependance on them could vanish in just a few years. Countries would no longer be forced to ignore their insane bigotry issues just to keep their own economies running. 

 

Look to the Chinese to go nuts with this technology, as they're the world's largest importer of petro products right now. 

 

[Infidel Dog]

Would be nice, but I'm not optimistic. Seems to me, every couple of years, somebody comes up with some "breakthrough" that's going to make hydrogen the new savior of the energy crisis. Then it doesn't.

I'm more curious about that other one you used to hear about a lot. It's kind of faded from memory. I'm blocked on it. Something about nuclear energy that used a safer fuel than what they're using. What was that? I had hope for that one. 

[Infidel Dog]

Wait...that didn't take long. 

Looked it up. 

THORIUM.

[Army Guy]

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

If this is in any way legitimate it is an enormous game-changer.

Elon Musk & the ME'ers must be shitting their pants right now.

From Elon's POV, there are a lot of problems with EVs that environmentally conscious people are willing to overlook right now because they have no other viable non-petro option, but the ammonia-hydrogen combo apparently has no such obstacles.

There are no dirty battery issues, no $10,000 battery replacements, no range issues because extended charging sessions are necessary, and when there's a heat wave the government won't be telling you not to gas up your ammonia-hydrogen car.

As far as the major car companies are concerned, this is right up their alley - another internal-combustion engine. "CHECK OUT THE 2025 CLEAN CORVETTE WITH 818 HP AND NO CATALYTIC CONVERTER!"

Good luck selling Teslas if this is legit. I wouldn't buy Tesla stock right now with Trudeau's money.

 

For the MEers like SA and Iran this is a huge blow. The world's dependance on them could vanish in just a few years. Countries would no longer be forced to ignore their insane bigotry issues just to keep their own economies running. 

 

Look to the Chinese to go nuts with this technology, as they're the world's largest importer of petro products right now. 

 

If it pans out this would be a game changer, Imagine every country in the world able to produce as much as they could, Oil and gas would over night become so abundant the price would plummet to next to nothing... It is going to change the balance of power in a lot of countries like the ME, Russia, and Canada and the US . The government is going to have to invent some new source of income,  I mean who is going to pay all the have not provinces with equalization payments...

And as for those climate changers who already spent a wad on t shirts and posters, , your wet Dream has perhaps arrived. WTF are you going to do now with your time... 

[WestCanMan]

19 hours ago, Army Guy said:

If it pans out this would be a game changer, Imagine every country in the world able to produce as much as they could, Oil and gas would over night become so abundant the price would plummet to next to nothing... It is going to change the balance of power in a lot of countries like the ME, Russia, and Canada and the US . The government is going to have to invent some new source of income,  I mean who is going to pay all the have not provinces with equalization payments...

And as for those climate changers who already spent a wad on t shirts and posters, , your wet Dream has perhaps arrived. WTF are you going to do now with your time... 

The biggest obstacle imo will come from the gas & oil sector.

There was a very good documentary called "Who Killed the Electric Car" about the Saturn EV that was made over a decade ago, and why it didn't become popular.

Among other things mentioned in that video, 1) Texaco bought the company that had the patent on the batteries they used in that car, and they sat on it, 2) for some strange reason, the person who invented that battery was stopped from writing in popular science magazines about the success of his batteries and what they meant for the automobile industry in the future, and 3) the ads that they made for the car were basically a list of reasons why not to buy them. It was like saying: "The 2021 Corvette - you can only fit two people in it, it hardly has any trunk space, and it burns 3x as much gas as a Nissan Altima while only getting up to hwy speeds 1 second faster."

[cannuck]

I can forgive the rhetoric in the linked article, but I can say with some certainty that everything the totally idiotic anti-carbon, knee jerk response to "climate change" is extremely bad.  Switching to immature technologies without giving a moment's thought to the resource and environmental considerations (i.e. lithium ion battery powered vehicles) was something so stupid and so damaging that only government-sponsored morons could possibly have thought it a good idea.

Reality is: we don't have so much a carbon emissions problem, we have a severe carbon absorption deficit.  That is due to killing off the oceans with our chemical pollution.  To get a genuinely sustainable solution, and do it in a hurry the solution is simply to stop killing the oceans (i.e. plankton and all up along the food chain).

Since combustion engines are a very well established way to move people and things: the first thing we need to do there is STOP moving people and things.  De-globalization is probably the best thing we could do for so many reasons.  But, we are still going to do SOME of this, so in that light, hydrogen IS an extremely good fuel source.  Not sure that NH3 is the best storage medium, but we can use most of the existing prime power infrastructure to move things by using hydrogen as a supplemental fuel or even a primary fuel.  I have second hand experience with one particular project where the original proponent wanted to power their moving devices with hydrogen fuel cells.  They HAVE a functioning and effective storage medium (sorry, can't discuss that), so the put the whole thing together with state-of-the-art fuel cells to generate power to run the devices and power the vehicle.  Turns out, they found the weight and energy consumption to manage the fuel cells made it much heavier than simply using an internal combustion engine to turn a generator and motive power train.  The second phase involved using hydrogen from their storage system to run two nice little compression ignition engines.

[Queenmandy85]

Perhaps I missed it, but where are they going to get sufficient quantities of hydrogen that doesn't require emitting carbon dioxide or other greenhouse gases and is economically viable?  The same goes for ammonia plus the safety concerns.

Edited July 22, 2021 by Queenmandy85

[Infidel Dog]

Speaking of unintended consequences, this one's more just a fun thing to think about but did you ever hear the one about how we're overdue for a glacial ice age?

So even if you buy into the idea that you can save the world from a warming catastrophe by not using gasoline in your car what if our gas guzzlers are actually what's saving us from freezing to death on a glacier? 

[Queenmandy85]

If an ice age looms, rejoice and tune your skis. There could be no greater gift than ten months of skiing.

[Zeitgeist]

On 7/22/2021 at 9:45 AM, Queenmandy85 said:

Perhaps I missed it, but where are they going to get sufficient quantities of hydrogen that doesn't require emitting carbon dioxide or other greenhouse gases and is economically viable?  The same goes for ammonia plus the safety concerns.

Very true.  You need a lot of relatively green power such as hydro or nuclear to provide the required electrolysis to separate hydrogen from water molecules and enjoy reduced greenhouse gas emissions.  BC, Quebec, and to some extent, Ontario can do this quite well right now.  Oh but don’t forget that producing the vast quantity of concrete required for hydro dams or nuclear plants causes high greenhouse gas emissions.  I guess they’re one-time blasts, however.  

Edited July 23, 2021 by Zeitgeist

[Army Guy]

On 7/22/2021 at 10:45 AM, Queenmandy85 said:

Perhaps I missed it, but where are they going to get sufficient quantities of hydrogen that doesn't require emitting carbon dioxide or other greenhouse gases and is economically viable?  The same goes for ammonia plus the safety concerns.

Sorry my link is no longer any good,, and i don't really understand it all myself, what they did say is they can remove the hydrogen molecule from water, they then add green ammonia this is not the same as regular ammonia, or so they say so it does not require massive storage tanks like yesterdays hydrogen storage tanks.  , once this process is done whats left is oxygen. 

The burning of hydrogen is almost carbon neutral, by how much they did not say. they say that they have a several proto type machine as large as a coke fridge, that could produce hydrogen in your garage... so the cost is cost of the machine, and then add water and you can produce as much as you need, for the life of the machine, how much carbon does it take to produce the machine, don't know, what i do know is that it many times cleaner than fossil fuels. what it does say is the conversion from fossil fuels engines is fairly easy much like the propane was. and will not require a massive new redesigned engine, it has the same uses as fossil fuels not, heating your home, providing electricity, all automotive vehicles, trains, and planes...they did say that they have proto types on large ships right now that are experimental... so the tech is on the move..   

[Queenmandy85]

What powers your hydrogen producing machine?

[OftenWrong]

Use water as fuel you say? Sure why not. We consumed an ocean's worth of oil in about 200 years. Surely we can do likewise with water oceans.

So much better for the environment.

 

[Army Guy]

On 7/24/2021 at 9:55 AM, Queenmandy85 said:

What powers your hydrogen producing machine?

Just guessing but I'd say electricity made from turbines run by hydrogen

[Army Guy]

On 7/24/2021 at 12:57 PM, OftenWrong said:

Use water as fuel you say? Sure why not. We consumed an ocean's worth of oil in about 200 years. Surely we can do likewise with water oceans.

So much better for the environment.

 

Well the climate change gurus say that with all the artic ice melting ocean levels are going to rise, a large amount, why not balance it all out..