Covid Is Turning Us Into a Socialist/Fascist Country

[dialamah]

14 minutes ago, Shady said:

99% of people are

 

3 minutes ago, Shady said:

2) https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/majority-canadians-wearing-masks-public-study

From Cite:

that 55% fell into the mask-wearing category; 20% stated that they wear one “always, everywhere I go,” and 35% wear one “most of the time, anywhere that I know there will be people around.”

55% does not equal 99%, math wizard (not!).

[Shady]

Just now, dialamah said:

 

From Cite:

that 55% fell into the mask-wearing category; 20% stated that they wear one “always, everywhere I go,” and 35% wear one “most of the time, anywhere that I know there will be people around.”

55% does not equal 99%, math wizard (not!).

And when you add in the people that wear the mask some of the time?  LOL! 

[Shady]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

Many protestors also wear maskts. 

Your link indicates 13% never do. So at the very best it's 87%. 

And extra 32% seldom do. That's a nebulous statistic. I seldom wear a mask because I rarely go into indoor public places. I'm mostly at home, in my car at work and outside. I've even stopped going to the gym, even though I technically can now. 

 

You can't really debate this issue without comparing how Canada and Europe have responded and how the US has. The differences can't really be more stark. 

But many protesters don't.

Ok, so almost 90%, and this poll is from a while ago, it's probably even higher now.

Regardless, I'm still not sure what your point is.  The vast majority of Canadians are sacrificing.

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, Shady said:

Regardless, I'm still not sure what your point is.  The vast majority of Canadians are sacrificing.

The point is, it's not a HUGE! sacrifice. Especially considering it enables the economy to open much quicker. It's just something we have to do to lower the infection rate. 

But there are people who won't do it because they feel it infringes on their rights. The same people probably won't quibble with a business having a dress code. 

Edited August 11, 2020 by Boges

[dialamah]

2 minutes ago, Shady said:

And when you add in the people that wear the mask some of the time?  LOL! 

Some of the time was "select places", which likely means "where I'm forced to".  Even including them, its not 99%.  

Realistically, 55% of people wear masks regularly enough to be effective, 45% do not and 13% probably throw a hissy fit when asked to mask.  

[Shady]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

The point is, it's not a HUGE! sacrifice. Especially considering it enables the economy to open much quicker. It's just something we have to do to lower the infection rate. 

But there are people who won't do it because they feel it infringes on their rights. The same people probably won't quibble with a business having a dress code. 

I didn't say it was a huge sacrifice.  I simply replied to another comment stating that Canadians have and are sacrificing.

[Shady]

Just now, dialamah said:

Some of the time was "select places", which likely means "where I'm forced to".  Even including them, its not 99%.  

Realistically, 55% of people wear masks regularly enough to be effective, 45% do not and 13% probably throw a hissy fit when asked to mask.  

That's just not true.  Even if somebody wears a mask only when their out in public in a place that they can't socially distant, masks are still effective.  You just don't know what you're talking about.

[Boges]

Just now, Shady said:

That's just not true.  Even if somebody wears a mask only when their out in public in a place that they can't socially distant, masks are still effective.  You just don't know what you're talking about.

Cite. 

Wearing masks significantly reduces the level of water droplet dispersal. 

They work in tandem, but there are instances where social distancing is not always possible.

[Shady]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

Cite. 

Wearing masks significantly reduces the level of water droplet dispersal. 

They work in tandem, but there are instances where social distancing is not always possible.

You don't know what you're talking about either.  The whole point of distancing is to be beyond the point of droplet dispersal.  Masks are needed when that's not possible, but can be worn at all times.  Do you guys know anything about the science?  That's why they say 6 feet apart, and not 3 feet or 8 feet, or 1 foot.  /facepalm

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Shady said:

I'm not sure what you mean by we're all in this together.

The opposite of everyone for themselves.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Just curious where is the line in the sand for you, while fighting this virus.

It's somewhere between beer and popcorn.

[dialamah]

7 minutes ago, Shady said:

You don't know what you're talking about either.  The whole point of distancing is to be beyond the point of droplet dispersal.  Masks are needed when that's not possible, but can be worn at all times.  Do you guys know anything about the science?  That's why they say 6 feet apart, and not 3 feet or 8 feet, or 1 foot.  /facepalm

Actually, the 6 feet is the distance within which larger droplets fall to the ground, because - gravity.  Smaller droplets (aerosols) can travel significantly farther, especially if from coughing or sneezing.  They can also hang in the air longer than a few minutes, even up to hours.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30323-4/fulltext

 

 

[Boges]

38 minutes ago, Shady said:

You don't know what you're talking about either.  The whole point of distancing is to be beyond the point of droplet dispersal.  Masks are needed when that's not possible, but can be worn at all times.  Do you guys know anything about the science?  That's why they say 6 feet apart, and not 3 feet or 8 feet, or 1 foot.  /facepalm

What they say is wear a mask when you can't social distance. It's in the ads! 

But, of course, you know more than public health officials. 

[Shady]

12 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The opposite of everyone for themselves.

That's very subjective.

[Shady]

10 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Actually, the 6 feet is the distance within which larger droplets fall to the ground, because - gravity.  Smaller droplets (aerosols) can travel significantly farther, especially if from coughing or sneezing.  They can also hang in the air longer than a few minutes, even up to hours.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30323-4/fulltext

 

 

Yes, and so what?  Does that mean that wearing masks only when you're in close confines somehow doesn't have an effect?  Of course not.  That's absurd.  

[Shady]

10 minutes ago, Boges said:

What they say is wear a mask when you can't social distance. It's in the ads! 

But, of course, you know more than public health officials. 

Exactly what I said.  When you can't social distance.  Are you purposely being obtuse?  So even if somebody only wears a mask during those times, it's still going to have some impact.  Your premise that it wouldn't is patently false.  

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, Shady said:

That's very subjective.

Okay...try visualizing a bunch of people in a boat all paddling in different directions.

[Shady]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Okay...try visualizing a bunch of people in a boat all paddling in different directions.

Ok, I'll try.

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, Shady said:

Ok, I'll try.

Good luck.

[Shady]

8 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Good luck.

Thanks!

[onlythetruthmatters]

4 hours ago, dialamah said:

Some of the time was "select places", which likely means "where I'm forced to".  Even including them, its not 99%.  

Realistically, 55% of people wear masks regularly enough to be effective, 45% do not and 13% probably throw a hissy fit when asked to mask.  

And some people eat chips and drink coke all day whats your point....

[onlythetruthmatters]

I think only total idiots wear a mask all the time...Its kinda like trying to buy insurance for everything and then a flood hits and your not covered!!!!

[onlythetruthmatters]

6 minutes ago, onlythetruthmatters said:

I think only total idiots wear a mask all the time...Its kinda like trying to buy insurance for everything and then a flood hits and your not covered!!!!

I observe that people that wear masks social distance less. Maybe because they feel protected by the mask...All I'm saying is these things are really hard to quantify.

The Left tries to shame people with emotions and all I care about is facts!!!

Edited August 11, 2020 by onlythetruthmatters
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[dialamah]

14 minutes ago, onlythetruthmatters said:

I think only total idiots wear a mask all the time

 

9 minutes ago, onlythetruthmatters said:

The Left tries to shame people

I guess by your own definition, you must be a leftist.

[OftenWrong]

6 hours ago, Army Guy said:

WOW, good pep talk coach , shit even I'm depressed now...Somehow i think you missed Queens message... Just curious where is the line in the sand for you, while fighting this virus.

I don't understand how it would make you depressed. Didnt mean it to. In fact the opposite. I've seen people wither and die a little each day, to a point none of us would ever want to be. If you've seen it you will know what I mean.

The question was whether or not a person can die with dignity. QM says no. I strongly disagree.

So maybe QM hasn't seen what I've seen, and lived a lucky life. Good for him. I see no reason to feel sorry or depressed about that.

- I better relate it back to the topic. Sorry boss.

Edited August 11, 2020 by OftenWrong