Covid Is Turning Us Into a Socialist/Fascist Country

[Cannucklehead]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Because such indexes emphasize socialist attributes.

The U.S. remains the #1 preferred destination for immigrants...for over 100 years.

Ah so New Zealand, Switzerland, Hong Kong and Australia are socialists, I see.  

 

And I guess that Canada is now ranked 4th actually, what with Hong Kong dropping drastically.  

[Cannucklehead]

3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Correct...Canada freaked out just for that.   Trump knows it is very easy to get Canada to flip out.

And he buckled like a tooth pick holding up a Buick.  

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Cannucklehead said:

Ah so New Zealand, Switzerland, Hong Kong and Australia are socialists, I see.  

 

And I guess that Canada is now ranked 4th actually, what with Hong Kong dropping drastically.  

 

Rankings are very important to some Canadians...doesn't stop more people from voting with their feet for the evil USA than Canada...for over 100 years.

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Cannucklehead said:

And he buckled like a tooth pick holding up a Buick.  

 

No, he cut a deal with 3M for all exports...Canada had no say in the matter except for the usual whining.

[Cannucklehead]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Rankings are very important to some Canadians...doesn't stop more people from voting with their feet for the evil USA than Canada...for over 100 years.

It's funny that you are all so proud of something that you constantly complain about.  

Kind of like how mexicans set up a blockade at the border to keep their country safe from yours 

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Cannucklehead said:

It's funny that you are all so proud of something that you constantly complain about.  

Kind of like how mexicans set up a blockade at the border to keep their country safe from yours 

 

Immigration built America (much faster and larger than Canada).  

The U.S. foreign born population is larger than the entire population of Canada.

So keep living the Canadian dream, while consuming and using so much American media.

 

[Charles Anthony]

Folks,

I do not have a magical cure for thread derailment syndrome.  Who wants quarantine??  

 

 

1 hour ago, Shady said:

Why does every topic need to be redirected to Trump and the United States?  Some of you people really need help with your derangement.  Seriously.

 

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, Boges said:

From Worldometer? 

Note. The US hasn't had a 200 death day since early June. AND there has always been a dip during the weekend. Probably due to reporting. 

 

3 hours ago, bcsapper said:

Which day was that?  According to data on the site posted by Boges the last few days deaths were recorded at 1123, 467, 567.

In fact, it looks like you would have to go back to March 23 to find a daily death rate as low as 209.

 

I guess worldometer changes during the day. Still, numbers between 400 - 1,000 aren't that alarming when there are 2.2M known infections and maybe 2.2M or more infections that are undiagnosed.

In a normal day for the US 7,700 people die. 440 people die of respiratory ailments. How do you compare that to days with 467-567 covid deaths? How many of those deaths 'overlap'? IE, how many people who died of covid today would have died today, or within a few days or a week without covid?

Every day 1,800 Americans die from heart disease and 1,650 die from cancer. How many people who died of covid would have died from heart disease or cancer within the next week or two? 186 people died per day from Fentanyl in 2018 but 2019 was worse, they just haven't released the numbers yet.  

US deaths per day from Fentanyl, heart disease, cancer and respiratory ailments - 4,076.

"COVID IS SCARY!!!!!" - it's #3 per day, and on about 15 days this year, C19 was #1 (back when NY State was putting infected people back into care homes).

 

 

Globally 150,000 people die every day (2017). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortality_rate 700,000 people died of covid since Dec of last year. This is the 216th day of the year. 32,400,000 people would have died by this point this year, with or without covid, plus 4,650,000 from Dec of last year. Roughly 37M.

Pretend that non-C19 deaths are exactly 37M from Dec 2019 til now, just like they would have been 247 days into 2017, and the total deaths are are up by a full 700,000 (ie none of the people who died of C19 would have died of anything else).... the total deaths would be up by a whopping 1.9%. FOR SURE it's a lot less than that. FOR SURE a very large portion of the people who died of C19 would have died anyways - C19 primarily kills people 80+ who have 2 or more co-morbidities. 

 

Regardless of covid's overall death toll.... the covid regulations, bankruptcies of small business and growth of big business, Antifa, BLM, the defund police movement (supported by Dems), the Dems and the Libs have pushed NA a very long way towards fascism this year. Freedom of speech is dying and we are being forced to believe things that just aren't true at all. Unpopular but truthful commentary is being squashed. People are facing severe repercussions for telling the truth. Those are all facts. 

[Guest]

20 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

 

I guess worldometer changes during the day. Still, numbers between 400 - 1,000 aren't that alarming when there are 2.2M known infections and maybe 2.2M or more infections that are undiagnosed.

 

So where did you get the 209 from?  Was it one of the worldometer changes?

A thousand deaths a day from a disease that everyone is actively trying to avoid getting isn't alarming?  I guess alarming means different things to different people. 

Some people find the governments response to Covid-19 alarming, even comparing it to fascism, and suggesting that said governments deliberately killed people. 

Now that's alarming.  Dumb, but also alarming.

Whoa, you don't think they did it to try and stop climate change, do you?!?!

Edited August 4, 2020 by bcsapper

[bush_cheney2004]

6 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Some people find the governments response to Covid-19 alarming, even comparing it to fascism, and suggesting that said governments deliberately killed people. 

 

 

Some governments do...

"One death is a tragedy, a million deaths a statistic" - Joseph Stalin

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Some governments do...

"One death is a tragedy, a million deaths a statistic" - Joseph Stalin

Yeah, I think Hitler and Mao were bad too. 

[bush_cheney2004]

3 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Yeah, I think Hitler and Mao were bad too. 

 

It happened for many regimes, including the British Empire (e.g. India).

Doesn't take much for any government to make such choices to retain power.

[Guest]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

It happened for many regimes, including the British Empire (e.g. India).

Doesn't take much for any government to make such choices to retain power.

Including deliberately killing those with a cough or a fever during March and April?

I don't know, seems kind of excessive to me.

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Including deliberately killing those with a cough or a fever during March and April?

I don't know, seems kind of excessive to me.

 

Worse than that...deliberately killing them through starvation.

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Worse than that...deliberately killing them through starvation.

Different government. 

[bush_cheney2004]

3 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Different government. 

 

Nope....millions of Indians starved to death while their wheat was shipped to the UK.

There are no heroes when it comes to "good" or "bad", and that is true for pandemics too.

[Iceni warrior]

5 hours ago, bcsapper said:

I don't remember mentioning him.  But then, I've been watching the Cricket and the Snooker as well so maybe I haven't been concentrating.

Damn, 7 wicket loss to the Paddys.

[Cannucklehead]

23 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Nope....millions of Indians starved to death while their wheat was shipped to the UK.

There are no heroes when it comes to "good" or "bad", and that is true for pandemics too.

It's not like your government is any better, seeing as how they tried to force the Sioux to sign a treaty under threat of starvation so they could claim the black hills.  

At least Churchill had a war going on with hitler.  

[Guest]

27 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Nope....millions of Indians starved to death while their wheat was shipped to the UK.

There are no heroes when it comes to "good" or "bad", and that is true for pandemics too.

No, I was talking about the Canadian/US "Libs/Dems intentionally killed tens of thousands of people" from the OP.

Good effort though.

[OftenWrong]

It should be noted that even the Germans, the most zealous pioneers of the neo-virus movement in the world today, are still unable to shake the virus completely. Despite their extreme diligence toward quarantining and the well-known German cleanliness, there is another resurgence of it happening there. Like a brown stain on the white tablecloth that won't wash out, it must be so irritating to them.

Which raises doubt the efficacy of the whole communist international anti-viral program (CIA-VP) we see taking place in the world these days. Our country has not shut down even half as much as the Germans. They had everything super-organized right from the get go. Yet ultimately as we can see, it means nothing. What they have done is isolated themselves too much from the virus, and all the while they remain vulnerable. As long as it still lingers out there waiting for you, it is a threat that will immediately return. By shutting down we are prolonging its demise and giving it a chance to make it to the next flu season when it would come back mutated, with a vengeance...

[bush_cheney2004]

2 hours ago, Cannucklehead said:

It's not like your government is any better, seeing as how they tried to force the Sioux to sign a treaty under threat of starvation so they could claim the black hills.  

At least Churchill had a war going on with hitler.  

 

Never said it was...lots of "fascism" to go around, as with FDR at the same time.

[bush_cheney2004]

2 hours ago, bcsapper said:

No, I was talking about the Canadian/US "Libs/Dems intentionally killed tens of thousands of people" from the OP.

Good effort though.

 

Intentional or not....thousands still died in both nations due to policies and decisions....others will live.

[WestCanMan]

6 hours ago, bcsapper said:

So where did you get the 209 from?  Was it one of the worldometer changes?

A thousand deaths a day from a disease that everyone is actively trying to avoid getting isn't alarming?  I guess alarming means different things to different people. 

Some people find the governments response to Covid-19 alarming, even comparing it to fascism, and suggesting that said governments deliberately killed people. 

Now that's alarming.  Dumb, but also alarming.

Whoa, you don't think they did it to try and stop climate change, do you?!?!

You're doing an odd mix of conflating and separating issues.

1 issue - Early on, Libs in Canada and Dems in the US were doing everything in their power to spread covid. "Don't block travel, don't wear masks, gather in large groups." Fact. Pretending to not know that at this point in time would just be a waste of time. There's tons of video and we've referred to it countless times.

No one is dumb enough to believe that the Libs and Dems thought that they were fighting covid.

Every mom ever born knows that if people in a certain area have a dangerous, quick-spreading disease that they don't want to take their kids there. They also know that they don't want thousands of those people coming to their neighbourhood. Right? (If they care about the rest of the world, they also think that the affected area should stay locked down. Even the Chinese gov't blocked Wuhan residents from the rest of China, how racist was that?) The moms of the world also know that if they're in an area where that disease is all around, they'd feel safer if everyone was wearing masks. Right? Even you know this sapper. Don't pretend that you didn't know this back when Trudeau/Tam were selling us out. 

They didn't fight covid because they know the power that the fear of covid would give them, and they feel like if they're screaming the loudest about covid, they can control the entire narrative.

So, after doing everything they could to get covid in, the leftists then went into (fake) fight covid mode and started screaming (in USA) THE GOP BROUGHT IN COVID (in Canada) WE'RE WINNING THE FIGHT AGAINST COVID BECAUSE TRUDEAU IS AWESOME!!!!! WHEN YOU'RE THE 40th MOST POPULOUS NATION ON EARTH WITH THE 189th-HIGHEST DENSITY, BEING 11th IN COVID DEATHS IS AWESOME!!!!! I say fake, because they still like spreading covid.... hence the protests (violent, destructive riots). That's why they also went into panic mode when the mere mention of HCQ came out - the propaganda war was fast and furious and again, it was complete garbage, only fit for consumption by drooling leftist morons. 

 

That's the covid issue.

2nd issue - The racial division issue is separate-ish.

Leftists in the US used covid as a screen to release criminals during the George Floyd protests, knowing that the freed prisoners would add to the riot-carnage. Leftists trotted out the Obamas to spread their message of racial division and hatred of all things civil. CNN toadies tried to act like the FG murder was proof of systemic racism but it wasn't - cops only kneeled on GFloyd for a bit more than half the time that they tormented T Timpa before they finally murdered him. (Then they managed to hide that fact from Timpa's family and the general public for MONTHS. It was police corruption at it's absolute worst. Makes the GFloyd case look like honest policing) The alt-left media also told lies and tried to act like the R Brooks shooting was a murder when it wasn't. Then the leftists pretended that they didn't see the rioting, looting, beatings, the murders and the arson from all the riots. They said in advance of the riots that the rioting wouldn't spread covid, and then they act like it's foolish to pretend that it did. 

Just think about the fact that in all their fascist control of ridiculous things during covid,  the leftards pretend to know that rioting and looting didn't spread covid at all. They also pretend to know that you and I can't have small-to-moderately-sized funerals for our family members but they can have hundreds of people at a Dem funeral where they propagate racial division on the national feed. That's 100% bullshit and propaganda. 

 

Now, with racial division going swimmingly, the leftists see just how much damage is being done to the economy with the lockdowns and they want them to continue. Only riots, and divisive funerals are tolerated by the left. Anything else is dangerous. 

 

In the end, covid won't kill as many people as heart disease in 2020, most of the covid deaths will simply take from the heart disease and respiratory death categories, megacorps (that supported the covid drama) will be bigger, small businesses will be destroyed, etc. A country without small and medium businesses, where a massive percentage of the population relies on government handouts, and freedom of speech is completely gone, is a socialist/fascist country. BLM and Antifa are the Dems' shiny new KKK. They're the new brownshirts. 

[WestCanMan]

6 hours ago, bcsapper said:

No, I was talking about the Canadian/US "Libs/Dems intentionally killed tens of thousands of people" from the OP.

Good effort though.

If Trudeau had blocked travel from China and told Canadians to wear masks back at the end of January how many Canadians would have been killed by covid? If covid wasn't making the rounds here, would our economy be shut down? 

Trudeau failed on the issue of basic common sense. You call it massive stupidity. I call it murder.

The Dems were out in February telling people to ride the subway, telling them to go out in massive crowds in Chinatown, etc. That was after Trump had already closed off travel from China. Instead of protecting the people most vulnerable to covid, sick people were put back into care homes. Are all these things examples of murder, or just complete stupidity?

Are you one of the people stupid enough to believe that the riots and looting didn't spread covid, but walking in a public park that's 1/10th as crowded does? 

[Boges]

16 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Regardless of covid's overall death toll.... the covid regulations, bankruptcies of small business and growth of big business, Antifa, BLM, the defund police movement (supported by Dems), the Dems and the Libs have pushed NA a very long way towards fascism this year. Freedom of speech is dying and we are being forced to believe things that just aren't true at all. Unpopular but truthful commentary is being squashed. People are facing severe repercussions for telling the truth. Those are all facts. 

BTW daily death was back up to 1,300 yesterday.  All the causes of death you mentioned aren't a contagious disease. They're chronic conditions or substance issues. If 1,300 people were dying from murder every day, you'd note that as pretty high, I'd imagine. 

COVID-19 deaths are collateral damage for the disease being so widespread in American society. And it taxes healthcare systems and makes dying from other things far more likely. 

You may be about to downplay the severity of COVID-19 in the US, but the truth is, in places where public health wasn't politicized, COVID-19 deaths are unremarkable at all. 11 COVID-19 deaths in Canada yesterday and only around 6,000 active cases vs 2.5 million in the US. 

The reason safeguards have been maintained is because countries don't want to have what's happening in the US to happen here. Economic considerations are a false choice because the COVID-19 pandemic has forced most of the US to stall it's re-opening efforts while the likes of Canada and Europe are steadily re-opening again without the associated public health issues. 

 

Edited August 5, 2020 by Boges