Covid Is Turning Us Into a Socialist/Fascist Country

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

And the only reason safeguards remain is that the US is a litmus test for how to handle this pandemic the wrong way.

 

Actually, it's a "Litmus test" for liberty, even if that means dying.

[Boges]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Actually, it's a "Litmus test" for liberty, even if that means dying.

Give me Liberty or give me death.

OR! give me marginally less liberty, and give me life. 

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

Give me Liberty or give me death.

OR! give me marginally less liberty, and give me life. 

 

Less liberty is for Canada...not 'murica.

The socialists and fascists can have the COVID vote.

[Boges]

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, Boges said:

Give me Liberty or give me death.

OR! give me marginally less liberty, and give me life. 

I think we need new forms of distancing.  There is no cure for stupid and I'm positive covidiots along with anti-vaxxers feel the same way so how about we all live in separate ends of town or preferably in our own towns? I suppose we could open society for each group on alternating days, take turns on stat holidays, open stores for members of the Covideracy in the afternoon and the mornings for everyone else but realistically and unless we have some means of identifying one another I think separate towns will be the only way.  I don't want to have to sit next to one of these people in public, I don't want them on my property and I most certainly don't want them anywhere near the same public health system I subscribe to and again I'm quite certain they feel the same way about that too.  My own family is petty much already so divided over anti-vaxxing we're barely on speaking terms, the unwillingness to talk has only been exacerbated by COVID-19 - maybe we can just wave across a wall at one another someday

Does anyone know of any dystopian novels from the past that projected a future as bizarre as the present we're in?  What if this isn't as weird as it gets?

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, Boges said:

BTW daily death was back up to 1,300 yesterday.  All the causes of death you mentioned aren't a contagious disease. They're chronic conditions or substance issues. If 1,300 people were dying from murder every day, you'd note that as pretty high, I'd imagine. 

COVID-19 deaths are collateral damage for the disease being so widespread in American society. And it taxes healthcare systems and makes dying from other things far more likely. 

You may be about to downplay the severity of COVID-19 in the US, but the truth is, in places where public health wasn't politicized, COVID-19 deaths are unremarkable at all. 11 COVID-19 deaths in Canada yesterday and only around 6,000 active cases vs 2.5 million in the US. 

The reason safeguards have been maintained is because countries don't want to have what's happening in the US to happen here. Economic considerations are a false choice because the COVID-19 pandemic has forced most of the US to stall it's re-opening efforts while the likes of Canada and Europe are steadily re-opening again without the associated public health issues. 

IMO covid deaths in the US are so high because of the morbid obesity rate there. Morbid obesity comes with it's own set of co-morbidities. 

Elderly + Obese + 2 or more Co-morbidities + covid = the covid death cocktail. 

Again, it's almost like the virus was tailor-made or hand-picked to kill Americans. 

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

There is no cure for stupid

Don't get too down on yourself, being intelligent in this day and age is like a burden

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and I'm positive covidiots along with anti-vaxxers feel the same way

What's the word for people who pray that HCQ doesn't stop covid from killing people, so that we all have to take a vaccine or so that we have to keep bowing to the covid gods?

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I don't want to have to sit next to one of these people in public, I don't want them on my property and I most certainly don't want them anywhere near the same public health system I subscribe to and again I'm quite certain they feel the same way about that too.  My own family is petty much already so divided over anti-vaxxing we're barely on speaking terms, the unwillingness to talk has only been exacerbated by COVID-19 - maybe we can just wave across a wall at one another someday

 

Honestly, as long as we live in a world where we're ok with outright lying from our own side we'll always be odds with each other.

It's impossible to have a civil discussion with someone who's spouting CNN crapaganda. 

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Does anyone know of any dystopian novels from the past that projected a future as bizarre as the present we're in?  What if this isn't as weird as it gets?

Sharknado II comes pretty close. You have to watch Sharknado 1 first though, or it won't make any sense. 

[eyeball]

14 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

What's the word for people who pray that HCQ doesn't stop covid from killing people

Figments.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Figments.

So weird when people try to give themselves nicknames.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

So weird when people try to give themselves nicknames.

Your figments are quite vocal are they?

[Boges]

16 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

IMO covid deaths in the US are so high because of the morbid obesity rate there. Morbid obesity comes with it's own set of co-morbidities. 

Elderly + Obese + 2 or more Co-morbidities + covid = the covid death cocktail. 

Again, it's almost like the virus was tailor-made or hand-picked to kill Americans. 

When people who think things should be business as usual say the vulnerable need protecting, would the vulnerable not be the morbidly obese then? 

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

When people who think things should be business as usual say the vulnerable need protecting, would the vulnerable not be the morbidly obese then? 

But don't these people deserve what they get?  Sorta like it's your fault for not saving enough to see you thru a rainy day couple of years. 

[Boges]

26 minutes ago, eyeball said:

But don't these people deserve what they get?  Sorta like it's your fault for not saving enough to see you thru a rainy day couple of years. 

So "vulnerable" is a sliding scale. 

It's funny how people are so worried about mental health in regards to having to social distance, but when it comes to the economic realities of being poor in North America it's "sucks to be you". 

[dialamah]

49 minutes ago, eyeball said:

But don't these people deserve what they get?  Sorta like it's your fault for not saving enough to see you thru a rainy day couple of years. 

People who get old, who are born with compromised immune systems or who develop them, people who have cancer or COPD, hypothroidism, diabetes or a plethora of other diseases - all expendable, all to blame for being at risk of dying of Covid.

Also, how come so many of the folks who said "lets get back to work while protecting the vulnerable" also tend to be the ones who object to wearing a mask?  Can only be some massive plot by pro-eugenics people to eliminate undesirable characteristics - like being old, fat or sick.

21 minutes ago, Boges said:

It's funny how people are so worried about mental health in regards to having to social distance, 

They don't actually care about mental health; its just a ploy to make themselves look like they care beyond their personal and immediate convenience.

Edited August 6, 2020 by dialamah

[PIK]

And I can hardly find anyone that voted liberal these days.  But yet for some reason polls say he will clean up.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

So "vulnerable" is a sliding scale.

 

Sure is....each year about 45,000 people die in Canada due to smoking (first and second hand smoke) for a legal product that the government earns tax revenue from.

This has been going on for many decades...not just one pandemic season.

 

 

[Cannucklehead]

8 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Sure is....each year about 45,000 people die in Canada due to smoking (first and second hand smoke) for a legal product that the government earns tax revenue from.

This has been going on for many decades...not just one pandemic season.

 

 

Smoking is a choice.  You can't choose with covid.  It chooses for you.  

[bush_cheney2004]

9 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

Smoking is a choice.  You can't choose with covid.  It chooses for you.  

 

Second hand smoke is not a choice.

The point remains that the government is complicit in "choices" that kill a lot more Canadians than COVID has....for decades.

[Cannucklehead]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Second hand smoke is not a choice.

The point remains that the government is complicit in "choices" that kill a lot more Canadians than COVID has....for decades.

Actually it is.  You can choose to accept it or complain and have the smoker put it out or take it outside.  

So you think we should try prohibition?  Worked out so well with alchohol.  

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

Actually it is.  You can choose to accept it or complain and have the smoker put it out or take it outside.  

So you think we should try prohibition?  Worked out so well with alchohol.  

 

How is it working for masks ?    Is every Canadian in compliance ?    Try to make them....

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

The point remains that the government is complicit in "choices" that kill a lot more Canadians than COVID has....for decades.

So...Canada's government is committed to personal liberty and has been for decades.

Who knew?

[bush_cheney2004]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

So...Canada's government is committed to personal liberty and has been for decades.

Who knew?

 

Ergo...there most certainly is a sliding scale for misery and death.

Nothing special about COVID in that regard....but it is a great opportunity for the socialists and fascists.

Edited August 6, 2020 by bush_cheney2004

[Cannucklehead]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

How is it working for masks ?    Is every Canadian in compliance ?    Try to make them....

The local stores I go to have someone at the entrance.  No mask, no admittance.    

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Cannucklehead said:

The local stores I go to have someone at the entrance.  No mask, no admittance.    

 

In other words, compliance enforcement is hit and miss at best.

Walk in with mask...take it off.

Edited August 6, 2020 by bush_cheney2004

[Cannucklehead]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

In other words, compliance enforcement is hit and miss at best.

Walk in with mask...take it off.

And then get ejected from the store.  But yeah if you have time to waste go for it.